Stop what?
If he's such a "scrub" then why hasn't Murray released him yet?

Idk why you're so fired up about a guy that's probably a 4th liner for us when we're a good team
And it's not like he hasn't been playing good lately
- jdfitz77

2011-12 BUF 14 6 7 13 6 9 44 11 0 3 .000 2 1 0 0 1 23 .261
2012-13 BUF 47 5 13 18 -4 41 108 16 45 30 .600 1 3 0 1 0 55 .091
2013-14 BUF 74 7 12 19 -17 82 206 43 146 155 .485 0 1 1 0 3 79 .089
2014-15 BUF 57 8 12 20 -5 50 193 48 57 75 .432 0 1 0 1 0 66 .121
2015-16 BUF 57 7 8 15 -4 42 132 33 1 2 .333 0 2 0 0 2 53 .132
Totals

Yea give him 2 more years to show how much of a scrub he really is. 33 goals in 249 games. and we wonder why this team never can start to take shape.

Kreider has been a massive disappointment this year. And that's worrying for a young guy. Especially on the same team and system.

Edit: He's staring at career lows in goals, +-, and shooting %.
- Wetbandit1

Not to make excuses for anyone in particular...
But check out the scoring throughout the league
There's a lot of guys... Stars even, like Getzlaf & Datsyuk and many more... Who are struggling offensively this year

The league has got to address the scoring

As far as Kreider in particular goes though...
With his size, speed & style of play- I think he can be an effective player even when he's not scoring
I don't wanna give him a "Bickell-like" contract if we were to get him...
But I think his size/speed could fit really nice here

I sent Homie a PM about 3 or 4 days before the trade deadline and mentioned to him a 4 year offer to McGinn for 16 mill was there, McGinn apparently thinks he's worth 5. That's why Murray said the number while talking with agent weren't close.

2011-12 BUF 14 6 7 13 6 9 44 11 0 3 .000 2 1 0 0 1 23 .261
2012-13 BUF 47 5 13 18 -4 41 108 16 45 30 .600 1 3 0 1 0 55 .091
2013-14 BUF 74 7 12 19 -17 82 206 43 146 155 .485 0 1 1 0 3 79 .089
2014-15 BUF 57 8 12 20 -5 50 193 48 57 75 .432 0 1 0 1 0 66 .121
2015-16 BUF 57 7 8 15 -4 42 132 33 1 2 .333 0 2 0 0 2 53 .132
Totals

Yea give him 2 more years to show how much of a scrub he really is. 33 goals in 249 games. and we wonder why this team never can start to take shape.
- SABRES 89

Yeah...
It's ALL Foligno's fault
Sheesh
You're way overreacting

Please share the stats of a 4th liner you do like

Yeah...
It's ALL Foligno's fault
Sheesh
You're way overreacting

Please share the stats of a 4th liner you do like
- jdfitz77

Slow down Francis where did I say it was Foligno's fault and i'm not overreacting.

I sent Homie a PM about 3 or 4 days before the trade deadline and mentioned to him a 4 year offer to McGinn for 16 mill was there, McGinn apparently thinks he's worth 5. That's why Murray said the number while talking with agent weren't close.
- SABRES 89

I wouldn't even give him 4 x 4
Maybe 2years at 4mil?
I like him ok, but I don't think the guy is anywhere near 5mil per good
That's crazy

2011-12 BUF 14 6 7 13 6 9 44 11 0 3 .000 2 1 0 0 1 23 .261
2012-13 BUF 47 5 13 18 -4 41 108 16 45 30 .600 1 3 0 1 0 55 .091
2013-14 BUF 74 7 12 19 -17 82 206 43 146 155 .485 0 1 1 0 3 79 .089
2014-15 BUF 57 8 12 20 -5 50 193 48 57 75 .432 0 1 0 1 0 66 .121
2015-16 BUF 57 7 8 15 -4 42 132 33 1 2 .333 0 2 0 0 2 53 .132
Totals

Yea give him 2 more years to show how much of a scrub he really is. 33 goals in 249 games. and we wonder why this team never can start to take shape.
- SABRES 89

While I agree he's hardly the main problem. Goaltending since Miller has been atrocious, fingers crossed we've found our goalie and a good backup.

1C ROR, 2C Eichel, 3C ?, Scoring winger #1 ?, #2 Kane, Defense #1 Risto? #2 ? You can kind of fill in from there with depth guys, but those are the rock bottom positions you need to do well. Not a cup contender, but better.

That's a lot of question marks.

Slow down Francis where did I say it was Foligno's fault and i'm not overreacting.
- SABRES 89

"And we wonder why the team can never take shape"

That sure implies Foligno is a big part of the problem

Now please...
Post the stats of a 4th liner you do like!!!

While I agree he's hardly the main problem. Goaltending since Miller has been atrocious, fingers crossed we've found our goalie and a good backup.

1C ROR, 2C Eichel, 3C ?, Scoring winger #1 ?, #2 Kane, Defense #1 Risto? #2 ? You can kind of fill in from there with depth guys, but those are the rock bottom positions you need to do well. Not a cup contender, but better.

That's a lot of question marks.
- Wetbandit1

We need a legit goal scorer and if that comes from Stamkos then so be it if not, they will find someone and have the money and assets to get it done.

He's gone. Let it go
- sbroads24

Just want him to play half the games and get them through 2 rounds so the pick goes up in value . Did not have any twisted man crush on him . Just looking to Sabres future.

He's gone. Let it go
- sbroads24

Good for McGinn!
I hope he has success with the Ducks
Especially since I want the pick to turn to a 2nd!
Quack! Quack!

"And we wonder why the team can never take shape"

That sure implies Foligno is a big part of the problem

Now please...
Post the stats of a 4th liner you do like!!!
- jdfitz77

it has to do he's played 249 games and still is the same player he has been for almost 2 mill a year, money better spent on another player.

We're on the right track
I don't understand why ppl are freaking out
We had down years from Girgensons, Ennis & a few others...
And we're still GREATLY improved from last year

These guys are still learning how to play in the NHL, and together, and under a new Coach/system...
If we don't make a leap towards the playoffs next year,
Then it's time to worry

Not that I wanna wait...
But expecting playoffs this year was foolish
- jdfitz77

Good post!!! . But it has been a whinefest lately.

He was one of the sweetest guys I ever worked for . The other one that was as nice believe it or not was Ronnie James Dio. God rest both their souls . Have worked for lots of nice ones . Those two went above and beyond.
- Maximum Signal

I spent a New Years Eve with Ronnie at his home. He was as gracious a host as I've ever seen. He was a person to admire.

If 28 is in the top 6 next year, this team will have problems. He's not a top 6 player but fine for the 3rd line.

2011-12 BUF 14 6 7 13 6 9 44 11 0 3 .000 2 1 0 0 1 23 .261
2012-13 BUF 47 5 13 18 -4 41 108 16 45 30 .600 1 3 0 1 0 55 .091
2013-14 BUF 74 7 12 19 -17 82 206 43 146 155 .485 0 1 1 0 3 79 .089
2014-15 BUF 57 8 12 20 -5 50 193 48 57 75 .432 0 1 0 1 0 66 .121
2015-16 BUF 57 7 8 15 -4 42 132 33 1 2 .333 0 2 0 0 2 53 .132
Totals

Yea give him 2 more years to show how much of a scrub he really is. 33 goals in 249 games. and we wonder why this team never can start to take shape.
- SABRES 89

Am I correct in assuming you don't like Foligno? Just a hunch.

I sent Homie a PM about 3 or 4 days before the trade deadline and mentioned to him a 4 year offer to McGinn for 16 mill was there, McGinn apparently thinks he's worth 5. That's why Murray said the number while talking with agent weren't close.
- SABRES 89

Interesting. Was it a formal offer? Or just a "yeah, we'll go 4x4"?

I think he can fairly easily get that contract especially if we've already formally offered that to him. Not sure about $5M especially with a static or lower cap. He's good player who can/has scored 20 goals and can play with anybody anywhere in the lineup, and that counts for a lot, especially in the playoffs, but you don't go full Ville Leino/Brian Bickell just because a guy is a good fit in the playoffs.

Am I correct in assuming you don't like Foligno? Just a hunch.



- Maximum Signal

I'm not a people person

it has to do he's played 249 games and still is the same player he has been for almost 2 mill a year, money better spent on another player.
- SABRES 89

I'd be more worried about us overpaying him of we were anywhere near the Cap

It's not an issue right now, at all
And he produces fine for a 4th line (most of the time) guy

He'll either finally become a consistent player, or he'll be outta here soon enough

I don't understand why you're so upset about Foligno in particular with the season we are having
It's like freaking out about Deslauriers, or Colaiacovo, or someone like that

I spent a New Years Eve with Ronnie at his home. He was as gracious a host as I've ever seen. He was a person to admire.
- mes418

Small World . Did the Annilator tour with him and Sabbath . We had Danzig opening for us . Glen Danzig is an bumhole . Ronnie wanted to fight him for being such a Richard.

I'm not a people person
- SABRES 89

No , don't say that.

Interesting. Was it a formal offer? Or just a "yeah, we'll go 4x4"?

I think he can fairly easily get that contract especially if we've already formally offered that to him. Not sure about $5M especially with a static or lower cap. He's good player who can/has scored 20 goals and can play with anybody anywhere in the lineup, and that counts for a lot, especially in the playoffs, but you don't go full Ville Leino/Brian Bickell just because a guy is a good fit in the playoffs.
- Wetbandit1

Putting Bickell and Leino in the same sentence as McGinn is bad IMO, McGinn fit in here very well and as far as the offer goes, it was there he just figured more would come to him on the open market. I think he's worth 4 and that is it.

Good post!!! . But it has been a whinefest lately.
- Maximum Signal

I get that everyone is frustrated
Me too

But I do think we're going in the right direction
We've seen good things this year IMO

And we're likely gonna get to add another really good talent in this draft

We need a legit goal scorer and if that comes from Stamkos then so be it if not, they will find someone and have the money and assets to get it done.
- SABRES 89

Couldn't agree more. Eichel maybe develops into that, he certainly has the skills for it, just needs to learn the pro game a bit more and get used to the grind of (hopefully) playing a hundred games a season.

I'd be more worried about us overpaying him of we were anywhere near the Cap

It's not an issue right now, at all
And he produces fine for a 4th line (most of the time) guy

He'll either finally become a consistent player, or he'll be outta here soon enough

I don't understand why you're so upset about Foligno in particular with the season we are having
It's like freaking out about Deslauriers, or Colaiacovo, or someone like that
- jdfitz77

you seem to be the only one freaking out, all I said is I don't how he is still here and he's a scrub, that's not freaking out.