goalies btw:

Thurs - NYR: #29
Sat - CGY: #30
Sun - NJD: #29
Tues - NYI: #29
Thus - CBJ: #30
- martox

You have too much time on your hands!

You have too much time on your hands!
- Topshelf Mountain

it is info from pityk

it is info from pityk
- martox

Well excuse me! My condolences from somewhere in Texas.

Well excuse me! My condolences from somewhere in Texas.
- Topshelf Mountain

Long story short this team is soft. Besides Kunitz this team has no grit. We are built for the regular season.

Long story short this team is soft. Besides Kunitz this team has no grit. We are built for the regular season.
- Francois Leroux

soff as butter.

Kessel has no compete or battle skills whatsoever. They need to ship him at the draft so we can sign Okposo. He'd be a much better fit under Sullivan & geno's winger than fat phil.

I don't get it. They had more shots attempts than the other team. Doesn't that mean they won?

soff as butter.
- sammy87

Still holds true today.

https://youtu.be/agL3NHgb8Rk

Long story short this team is soft. Besides Kunitz this team has no grit. We are built for the regular season.
- Francois Leroux

I honestly only see you, velvet and SAMMY when there is negative stuff. you are bringing NOTHING to this board with stuff like that. we are soff but yet we are 13th in hits... people like you and sammy seriously get on my nerves. sometime I CAN admit you people can be a little right but you are ALWAYS ALWAYS negative even when the situation don't deserv it at ALL.

You me and Dupuis, quoting not working so you get this.

Bodychecking a guy is just like punching a jaw, you pick out a spot behind what you are going to hit and aim for that spot. Some guys and peewees (where we start teaching) can figure it out, some can't. Kaspar was one of the best and OV does it with his big frame. End result is a solid and sometimes devastating hit.

Don't know your situation or if you played contact hockey, but this is essentially how I played and how the ADM is now taught.
- Topshelf Mountain

This might have just been an oversight but USA Hockey's ADM does not allow or condone bodychecking until Bantam age, if someone is teach bodychecking at the Peewee age level they are not following the ADM.

goalies btw:

Thurs - NYR: #29
Sat - CGY: #30
Sun - NJD: #29
Tues - NYI: #29
Thus - CBJ: #29
- martox

Fixed that for you, until the playoffs are more of a guarantee Murray only plays in back/back situations.

If Murray continues to progress and play well down the stretch in these playoff-like games, does anyone else see them dealing Fluery this off-season? I do. Especially if it's another 1 and done or a miss altogether.

This might have just been an oversight but USA Hockey's ADM does not allow or condone bodychecking until Bantam age, if someone is teach bodychecking at the Peewee age level they are not following the ADM.
- jaydogg1974

Yeah, a big oversight. Thanks for pointing it out. My son is a year up and I didn't consider that.

The ADM is outstanding and has done more in the last six years than has been done for American hockey in decades. My son's first practice consisted of the kids kneeling on the ice and listening for half of their ice time; now it's go go go. Maximizing ice time for parents that don't get a free backyard Rick every Winter.

Curious to hear some opinions on Murray's play last night, I know the numbers were good but can anyone honestly say they were overly impressed with his game last night? I was only able to watch the 1st 2 periods so he may have been very strong in the 3rd and I didn't see it but through 2 periods I felt he struggled with rebound control and overreacted to several shots that got him out of position if a rebound would have been put on net and while I don't fault him for either of the goals that were scored I did think both were savable shots. Just trying to gauge if I was just being overly critical, which I sometimes am, or if others saw some of the same things I saw.

Curious to hear some opinions on Murray's play last night, I know the numbers were good but can anyone honestly say they were overly impressed with his game last night? I was only able to watch the 1st 2 periods so he may have been very strong in the 3rd and I didn't see it but through 2 periods I felt he struggled with rebound control and overreacted to several shots that got him out of position if a rebound would have been put on net and while I don't fault him for either of the goals that were scored I did think both were savable shots. Just trying to gauge if I was just being overly critical, which I sometimes am, or if others saw some of the same things I saw.
- jaydogg1974

I agree completely. He's not close to being in MAF's class as of yet. Anybody that thinks the Pens can replace MAF with Murray will not like the result IMO. Not yet anyway.

Rebound control isn't great and no where near as athletic as Fleury.

Yeah, a big oversight. Thanks for pointing it out. My son is a year up and I didn't consider that.

The ADM is outstanding and has done more in the last six years than has been done for American hockey in decades. My son's first practice consisted of the kids kneeling on the ice and listening for half of their ice time; now it's go go go. Maximizing ice time for parents that don't get a free backyard Rick every Winter.
- Topshelf Mountain

I couldn't agree more. When the ADM was announced I was completely against it thinking that not instilling the concept of positioning and offsides would make for a difficult transition when moving to full ice at the Peewee level but once I saw the massive jump in skill level of that first age group coming out I was 100% sold.

I agree completely. He's not close to being in MAF's class as of yet. Anybody that thinks the Pens can replace MAF with Murray will not like the result IMO. Not yet anyway.

Rebound control isn't great and no where near as athletic as Fleury.
- madmike71

That's what concerned me about what I was able to watch last night, positioning and rebound control were supposed to be some of his biggest assets because he isn't overly athletic and I thought he struggled with both. I guess at the end of the day the final result is all that matters but I can't tell you how many times I said if Wash had a man in front or a man in the high slot that would have been a goal last night.

If Murray continues to progress and play well down the stretch in these playoff-like games, does anyone else see them dealing Fluery this off-season? I do. Especially if it's another 1 and done or a miss altogether.
- stowerkraut

Absolutely 100% not. They could go 0-18 down the stretch and miss the playoffs and they still won't be moving Fleury with Murray having such a small sample size and being completely unproven.

I couldn't agree more. When the ADM was announced I was completely against it thinking that not instilling the concept of positioning and offsides would make for a difficult transition when moving to full ice at the Peewee level but once I saw the massive jump in skill level of that first age group coming out I was 100% sold.
- jaydogg1974

"When I grew up" I could skate all day and night and we just goofed off or played a pick up game. When my son started and I saw them idle for half of our ice time I pulled him from the program. The next season the program started and it's been great. Nothing replaces open ice for kids to just play.

You me and Dupuis, quoting not working so you get this.

Bodychecking a guy is just like punching a jaw, you pick out a spot behind what you are going to hit and aim for that spot. Some guys and peewees (where we start teaching) can figure it out, some can't. Kaspar was one of the best and OV does it with his big frame. End result is a solid and sometimes devastating hit.

Don't know your situation or if you played contact hockey, but this is essentially how I played and how the ADM is now taught.
- Topshelf Mountain

I've played for a while but only one season in a full contact league. I guess that makes a lot of sense. It's just a weird dynamic in that it's a skill set as much as it is a physical charactersitic. Of course Ovechkin can check hard, hes ginormous and fast as hell. But other guys like Cooke, Downie, Kunitz, etc have that checking ability in a smaller frame. You'd think someone like Hornqvist or Adams or Jordan Staal would be just as capable given their build.

Completely random thought I know...

Absolutely 100% not. They could go 0-18 down the stretch and miss the playoffs and they still won't be moving Fleury with Murray having such a small sample size and being completely unproven.
- jaydogg1974

I realize Murray is not even remotely on the same level. Not arguing that. Just saying IF ownership will be ready to break up this core. Fluery is the closest in that core to having a legit replacement, by far. That much has become obvious.

Curious to hear some opinions on Murray's play last night, I know the numbers were good but can anyone honestly say they were overly impressed with his game last night? I was only able to watch the 1st 2 periods so he may have been very strong in the 3rd and I didn't see it but through 2 periods I felt he struggled with rebound control and overreacted to several shots that got him out of position if a rebound would have been put on net and while I don't fault him for either of the goals that were scored I did think both were savable shots. Just trying to gauge if I was just being overly critical, which I sometimes am, or if others saw some of the same things I saw.
- jaydogg1974

I was impressed with him in the sense that he's a rookie and was playing against the class of the NHL. I didn't see anything about his play that made me say, wow this guy can rob us games, but to expect that would be unfair. He looked like an average NHL goaltender. The fact that a 21 year-old rookie's floor is average NHL goalie speaks volumes of Murray's skill and potential moving forward.

Kessel has no compete or battle skills whatsoever. They need to ship him at the draft so we can sign Okposo. He'd be a much better fit under Sullivan & geno's winger than fat phil.
- joescullz

Okposo? You're looking for compete and battle skills and you think Okposo is a good option? He was like that against the Pens that one series two years ago in his entire time on the island. He's soft as shat

I've played for a while but only one season in a full contact league. I guess that makes a lot of sense. It's just a weird dynamic in that it's a skill set as much as it is a physical charactersitic. Of course Ovechkin can check hard, hes ginormous and fast as hell. But other guys like Cooke, Downie, Kunitz, etc have that checking ability in a smaller frame. You'd think someone like Hornqvist or Adams or Jordan Staal would be just as capable given their build.

Completely random thought I know...
- YouMeAndDupuis9

Good way of putting it! It can be taught or learned, I think it boils down to will once the player gets it. I always reference Kaspar for hitting anything hard and Dino for getting somewhere without regard.