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calgaryflames4life
Calgary Flames
Location: Pengrowth Saddledome, AB
Joined: 12.16.2006

Mar 2 @ 2:52 PM ET
idk I mean the flames HAVE allowed 3 more goals in 2 less games, pretty rough for the "best defence in the league"
- TheNugeIsHuge

Nice bait
dal_johnson
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.09.2006

Mar 2 @ 2:53 PM ET
Yes! We love being the worst team in the league. I've played and watched hockey my entire life, and love the fact that the team I grew up watching, one of the greatest teams ever to hit the ice, has been reduced to a basement dwelling, embarrassing brand of hockey. It's because of fans like me that this teams management has been inept at icing a competitive team since our cup run in '06. Good logic there. It's uneducated boobs like you that I enjoy taking to task on here.
- Iloveeveryone


Taking your initial sarcasm aside, this is my point. You aren't proud of what your team currently is. I wouldn't be. I'm not overly proud of what my team currently is. And because of these we shouldn't be chirping. We have no legs to stand on. So don't tell me that you have a "right to chirp" because you are a fan. Our teams need to accomplish something first.

As for questioning my education. Careful there. You know nothing about me or my level of education. No need to try to make it personal. And let me know when you've taken me to task. I haven't seen that yet.
Iloveeveryone
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 03.02.2015

Mar 2 @ 3:02 PM ET
league worst goal tending tandem has only allowed 3 more goals than the Oilers who have "fixed" their goal tending problems
- flashfire

Only difference is we have the weakest defense in the league. Flames don't. Talbot has played amazing for the bunch of chumps he has in front of him.
flashfire
Joined: 10.02.2006

Mar 2 @ 3:05 PM ET
Only difference is we have the weakest defense in the league. Flames don't. Talbot has played amazing for the bunch of chumps he has in front of him.
- Iloveeveryone


That was kinda my point...Flames need a goaltender

Oilers need 6 d-men
Iloveeveryone
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 03.02.2015

Mar 2 @ 3:05 PM ET
you got brought in cause I've just recently read a few of your painful posts proclaiming who should think what and what the rules are for banter...





On and on and on about the draft. Jesus

Who said we're stoked that we're still struggling and have a shot at a high pick? It's like your entire premise is based on this narrative that oilers fans must love getting the first pick because the team we cheer for has gotten the first pick. I realize this false contention makes it easier to attempt to try your point home, but it doesn't make it any more true.
Admittedly, there wasn't an oiler fan who wasn't amped to get Connor, but he's a pretty special case. But even still, there also wasn't a fan around that was happy when we were nosediving to be in the spot to get him. Until it was just inevitable that we aren't getting out of the bottom 3.

In fact, it sounds more like you're annoyed about it than any oiler fan I can think of is happy about it. And therein probably lies the projection....

And in terms of why we should be better, again, you're ignoring the facts of the situation to drive your false premise.
Who cares that yakupov was first overall? How does his draft position change anything about his ineffective game? If you're so concerned about positioning, trade us Monahan for him. The guy was a 6th overall, so he must be inferior, no?

Even nuge, who's gonna be a great two way center is nowhere near what we think of in terms of first overalls. But that fact doesn't matter as much to you as getting to say "4 first overalls" over and over again does it?

Yakupov
Nuge
An 18 year old that's missed more than half the season
Hall

Mine doesn't sound quite as good I guess.

Beyond that, I could get into the lack of insulation when they were first in the league, the lack of confidence that's become a byproduct of losing , the inability to sign dmen of quality and the time it's taken to wait on nuurse/klefbom etc etc etc etc . But it's mostly an exercise in futility. The oilers are bad, and have been for too long and we wish they still weren't.

But none of this disqualifies me from chirping that aside from one seemingly unsustainable year, the flames have also been one of the leagues worst for half a decade too. It's a fact. Have they been better than the oilers? Yeah. But if that your measuring stick, then you're in big trouble and you probably should be chirped.

Plus, I didn't build the team. I'm just a fan. And with being a fan comes banter with rivals. I didn't make this rules. They just are

- Ihateallofu

It's our fault as Oilers fans that the years we drafted 1st overall we didn't get Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos, and Tavares. All on us.
pker2theend
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Pamela Anderson Lee released a
Joined: 11.29.2011

Mar 2 @ 3:05 PM ET
How did I get brought into this. I haven't even said anything today. So now I will.

I was there when both teams were elite. I grew up watching the TRUE battle of Alberta. I'm all for you being a fan of your team. I actually commend you for standing by them through all of these past few years. As a hockey fan myself I think that is s truly commendable thing for you as a fellow fan.

As for chirping, that implies that you have some grounds to stand on when you do it. That your team has truly accomplished something. Even something small. Something that you want to stand up on your soap box and broadcast, while busting down those beneath you. It's part of the friendly rivalry that is sport and fans of their team.

The only thing that the Oilers have accomplished in the last 6 or 7 years winning the draft lottery 4 times, and currently having the second best chance to do so again. Once cool. Twice, awesome. Four times (and maybe five) can you honestly tell me that you are proud, and not horribly embarrassed, of your team that this has happened? That's not an accomplishment, it's an award for ineptitude. It is luck. It is bingo balls falling out of a hole. Your team did nothing but all the wrong things to accomplish this.

That in the last 6 years, despite having 4 first overall picks, a third overall and a seventh in your line up (Including McDavid that as a Flames fan I will gladly admit will be a generational elite of the elite players) that you still sit in the second last spot in the league? Do you really want to broadcast that accomplishment? Are you happy that your team constantly preaches "patience", or "wait until next year". Will you be part of the big celebratory parties that they show video footage of if the Oilers win the lottery again? Are you honestly proud of that accomplishment. I would be horribly embarrassed at that stage of celebrating complete and total failure as a franchise. That is why I say that you shouldn't chirp, because I don't believe that you have anything to chirp about other the whatever line you tell yourself to make you feel like it will be ok. Stand by your team, 100%. But until they accomplish something, keep you mouth shut about it.

I will completely admit that my team has had a terrible, setback of a year. I don't think that I have much to chirp about this season. They are only 1 point (with 2 games in hand) ahead of your team. But here is the fact of it, that I will admit. Your team should be better than mine. Your team has been given every opportunity to be better than mine. Other teams (not my team yet) with much less to work with than your team have shown true success, development, and are now contenders or close to being so.

You want to chirp, tell me what your team has accomplished that give you the right to do so.

- dal_johnson

"yes"

flashfire
Joined: 10.02.2006

Mar 2 @ 3:10 PM ET
In the last six years

4 1st overall picks
3rd overall
and 7th overall?

this right? Oilers have no excuse to be in last place

Calgary has one top five pick in franchise history

Iloveeveryone
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 03.02.2015

Mar 2 @ 3:11 PM ET
That was kinda my point...Flames need a goaltender

Oilers need 6 d-men

- flashfire

We need 2 dmen. Both top 4 right shots. I'm quite alright going forward with Sekera, Klefbom, Davidson, Nurse, and Gryba as a 7th. But the 2 we need are crucial to our future. I can't see us doing much until we get those pieces.
Iloveeveryone
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 03.02.2015

Mar 2 @ 3:13 PM ET
In the last six years

4 1st overall picks
3rd overall
and 7th overall?

this right? Oilers have no excuse to be in last place

Calgary has one top five pick in franchise history

- flashfire

And your point is what. Did us Oilers fans play the games or build the team? No? So shut the (frank) up about it. There isn't an Oilers fan out there that is happy about where we are in the standings right now.
dal_johnson
Calgary Flames
Joined: 03.09.2006

Mar 2 @ 3:19 PM ET
It's our fault as Oilers fans that the years we drafted 1st overall we didn't get Crosby, Ovechkin, Stamkos, and Tavares. All on us.
- Iloveeveryone


Who said that it was your fault as fans? I certainly never said that it was your fault. What the team has done and the choices that they have made have been terrible to you as fans and supporters of that them. But it is the choices and accomplishments of the team that, as a fan, we broadcast when we chirp. So until they do something worth broadcasting, just simply don't. And again, my team is in the same boat, they just haven't been there as long. I have very little right, if any, to chirp about my team's accomplishments this season.

Here's the truth of the matter from my point of view, and you will never have a Flames fan admit this. I honestly want the Oilers to succeed. I want them to become this powerhouse that the players they have selected should help them to become. I truly want this to happen. I want it to happen at the same time that my team is able to do it. Of course I don't want them to have as much success as I hope my team will get, but I want them to be there right along with them. I want this because the best, most exciting hockey that I have ever watched was the True battles of Alberta. Back when these two juggernaut teams would destroy each other in games that truly meant something. This is the hockey that I want to see again.
flashfire
Joined: 10.02.2006

Mar 2 @ 3:20 PM ET
And your point is what. Did us Oilers fans play the games or build the team? No? So shut the (frank) up about it. There isn't an Oilers fan out there that is happy about where we are in the standings right now.
- Iloveeveryone


Really? because I hear lots bragging....Oilers are only one point back of the Flames, 3 less goals against! (Flames worst season in franchise history)

You guys are Shelbyville



"Maybe thats why we beat them at football nearly half the time lolz"

ZOMG McDavid scored a fluke goal and we beat another turrible team last night
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Mar 2 @ 3:24 PM ET
Really? because I hear lots bragging....Oilers are only one point back of the Flames, 3 less goals against! (Flames worst season in franchise history)

You guys are Shelbyville



"Maybe thats why we beat them at football nearly half the time lolz"

ZOMG McDavid scored a fluke goal and we beat another turrible team last night

- flashfire


Just like how you guys react whenever Jenny scores...gotcha

Also how does one have their worst season ever after making the playoffs and adding to that defence that was already good? All I heard at the beginning of the season was that you guys were making a deep run into the playoffs...the sooner you accept both of our teams suck the better
flashfire
Joined: 10.02.2006

Mar 2 @ 3:27 PM ET
Just like how you guys react whenever Jenny scores...gotcha
- RatedR80


Have never posted in an Oilers thread about a JG goal

second post in here is an Oilers fan bragging, just saying Oilers fans don't seem self aware that they are the worst team in NHL history over a 10 year stretch...stop being so damn cocky
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Mar 2 @ 3:29 PM ET
Have never posted in an Oilers thread about a JG goal

second post in here is an Oilers fan bragging, just saying Oilers fans don't seem self aware that they are the worst team in NHL history over a 10 year stretch...stop being so damn cocky

- flashfire


We are very aware we suck but do you guys understand you suck as well? Because at times it certainly doesnt seem to be the case...last year means nothing now but I guess if you want to cling to that one playoff appearance then go right ahead
calgaryflames4life
Calgary Flames
Location: Pengrowth Saddledome, AB
Joined: 12.16.2006

Mar 2 @ 3:33 PM ET
aweeeee the coilers fans came out to play cause finally Calgary is almost as garbage as their team for the first time in 10 years! You guys are sooooo cute
Ihateallofu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Meh
Joined: 11.09.2014

Mar 2 @ 3:37 PM ET
In the last six years

4 1st overall picks
3rd overall
and 7th overall?

this right? Oilers have no excuse to be in last place

Calgary has one top five pick in franchise history

- flashfire


Not just 4 first overalls by its truest definition.

Yakupov
Nuge
An 18 year old who missed half the season
Hall

Monahan-nurse
Draisaitl - bennet

Adding the 3rd and 7th to while ignoring your picks the very definition of 'framing' ones argument.

We'll deal you yaks if you're so enamoured with first overalls.
He'll we'd consider nuge
flashfire
Joined: 10.02.2006

Mar 2 @ 3:37 PM ET
We are very aware we suck but do you guys understand you suck as well? Because at times it certainly doesnt seem to be the case...last year means nothing now but I guess if you want to cling to that one playoff appearance then go right ahead
- RatedR80


We know our team sucks this year...we have a major hole in net that hopefully will be filled next season.

Flames have made the playoffs 4 times since the Oilers have

And remember its you in a Flames thread not the other way around, second post was a McDavid brag

Oilers with a new coach, new goaltender, new gm, and McDavid are on pace to improve by what 5 points lol

that is an absolute disaster
Ihateallofu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Meh
Joined: 11.09.2014

Mar 2 @ 3:38 PM ET
aweeeee the coilers fans came out to play cause finally Calgary is almost as garbage as their team for the first time in 10 years! You guys are sooooo cute
- calgaryflames4life

This guy said coilers
And you just know he thinks it was clever


He's either super Young or not intelligent enough to bother with
flashfire
Joined: 10.02.2006

Mar 2 @ 3:40 PM ET
Yakupov
Nuge
An 18 year old who missed half the season
Hall

Monahan-nurse
Draisaitl - bennet

Adding the 3rd and 7th to while ignoring your picks the very definition of 'framing' ones argument.

We'll deal you yaks if you're so enamoured with first overalls.
He'll we'd consider nuge

- Ihateallofu


Calgary has one top 5 and ZERO top 3 picks in franchise history

trust me we know we are bad this season because its the Flames worst season ever...not just another season like the last ten
RatedR80
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 10.17.2013

Mar 2 @ 3:40 PM ET
We know our team sucks this year...we have a major hole in net that hopefully will be filled next season.

Flames have made the playoffs 4 times since the Oilers have

And remember its you in a Flames thread not the other way around, second post was a McDavid brag

Oilers with a new coach, new goaltender, new gm, and McDavid are on pace to improve by what 5 points lol

that is an absolute disaster

- flashfire


Like you guys dont come into our thread and talk smack .....dont get it confused I actually want both teams to play well again.....sadly im old enough to remember the battle of Alberta and I would like to see that at least one more time in my lifetime....whats cute is that while we know you suck you guys actually think you have accomplished things over the years
Ihateallofu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Meh
Joined: 11.09.2014

Mar 2 @ 3:41 PM ET
Really? because I hear lots bragging....Oilers are only one point back of the Flames, 3 less goals against! (Flames worst season in franchise history)

You guys are Shelbyville



"Maybe thats why we beat them at football nearly half the time lolz"

ZOMG McDavid scored a fluke goal and we beat another turrible team last night

- flashfire



You've been terrible for the best part of 7 years save one fluke season.

Your attempts at framing are actually kinda clever. I like your style
flashfire
Joined: 10.02.2006

Mar 2 @ 3:41 PM ET
The amount of Oilers fans in this thread is just proving my point...so cocky that you are almost as good as the Flames....during the Flames worst season in franchise history



Shelbyville
flashfire
Joined: 10.02.2006

Mar 2 @ 3:45 PM ET
4 playoff appearances in 10 years

Zero playoff appearances in 10 years

yeah they are about the same I guess
Ihateallofu
Edmonton Oilers
Location: Meh
Joined: 11.09.2014

Mar 2 @ 3:45 PM ET
The amount of Oilers fans in this thread is just proving my point...so cocky that you are almost as good as the Flames....during the Flames worst season in franchise history



Shelbyville

- flashfire

Oilers fans are proud of being almost as good as the flames? Huh?

It's the other way around bro.
It's like the entire point of the discussion!!

It's like you haven't bothered to read any of the posts and just decided going in that direction sounds better

Again, I like your style.
flashfire
Joined: 10.02.2006

Mar 2 @ 3:49 PM ET
Oilers fans are proud of being almost as good as the flames? Huh?

It's the other way around bro.



It's like you haven't bothered to read any of the posts and just decidec going with that line of posting will sound good

Again, I like your style.

- Ihateallofu


9 of 10 years flames have finished higher in the standings...some times by 30 points or more. It would be impossible for a Flames fan to be proud of being almost better than the Oilers because they have been better. Not that thats saying much but again, this thread started with an Oiler brag
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