I did want to add something about the Balckhawks today

You have to think if Kruger is able, that
the Blackhaws are still gonna want Rasmussen, Panik, and Mashinter around in
2016-17, for obvious financial reasons.

I think if Q wanted to change his playoff lineup as a shakeup
ala bench Vermette play Nordstrom, bench Bickell play Verbeek.....
especially against the heavy lifting Blues & Ducks, we see
Rasmussen
Mashinter
and
Panik
in that
order,
in my humble opinion...


Jist saw this post:

Why is Mash in over Panik?!
- Assman22

Bruins heavy too,

No proof of what I believ except my opinion and now the game lineup tonight...

My take on Mash playing is that as someone said earlier, it may be his last game. Coach Q is also a players coach to some respect and that goes a long way in the locker room. If Panik sticks around then this is a gesture to Mashinter before he is sent down to thank him for the hard work.

I do but is is very very old. I believe he was eligible in 2011 but I didn't have in my mock or profiles. I added him the next draft 2012, but this was high school / HS tournament goalie I was watching.
I typed a few words and never thought he would get drafted.
(He didn't)

At the time and in the Hawk prospects camp, I am not so sure he grew the inch his current Yale roster says he gained, making him supposedly 6' 1."

I heard there were over a dozen teams interested in him, but come on, why not be, b/c your owner only pays cash for the right to see if he can actually improve.

But before you get visiosn he is another Ed Belfour, pull back on the reigns...

Here's the old profile, but I just want to say I watched some Yake to see Hawks John Hayden and Lyon didn't stand out, or on his head on saves.

Read
http://www.draftsite.com/...l/player/alex-lyon/16969/
and remember
a) I know squat about hockey
b) I am not an expert on injuries and the "oh, he's as good as new" theories
and most importantly

Alex was in high school when I wrote it.
- wiz1901

Hey Wiz, how you get as much info as you do on potential draftees? Video? Insane travel? And how many times do you watch these guys before you do your evaluation? I've always wondered how player evaluators do those sorts of things.

[quote=philco28]Guarantee y'all the skilled guys welcome Mash's inclusion, especially in a hostile, rugged barn like Boston's.
- Davewn[/quote

Will Reaves' suspension be up by next Wed? Anybody willing to bet Q sits him if Reaves is in? Ott will draw back in at some point, speaking of cockroaches. Not saying I agree with it, just sayin...

Big time MAGGOT

I'm not disagreeing, just saying we've seen this movie before. Regin was a better option at forward in the '14 playoffs, IMO. Stone hands but could skate and take draws if needed. Just saying Q has a soft spot for these "try hard", role player type guys. At least Mash takes fewer bad penalties than Bollig.
- Davewn

Yeah, i understand that in a vacuum a head coach is going to like and reward extra playing to to hard working, likable"team" players. Makes sense.

But there clearly should be(and usually is) a certain point it reaches where the "this is negatively impacting my teams performance" aspect outweighs the "but i really like this guy personally and he gives such hard effort".

I guess just wait and pray he's out when Hossa returns.

Would you happen to know the percentage of people who are right handed and do NOT shoot the proper way? I for one and many of my friends are right handed and shoot right handed. So the opposite of what they should do. I shoot pool left handed though. I'm back asswards.
- stan-ley-cups

Turns out it's an American thing:

http://icehockey.isport.c...r-dominant-hand-in-hockey

Big time MAGGOT
- philco28

MAGGOTT

Turns out it's an American thing:

http://icehockey.isport.c...r-dominant-hand-in-hockey
- walleyeb1

I'm sure it's because of baseball.

I wonder if our American hockey players are actually at a disadvantage because of it.

Yeah, i understand that in a vacuum a head coach is going to like and reward extra playing to to hard working, likable"team" players. Makes sense.

But there clearly should be(and usually is) a certain point it reaches where the "this is negatively impacting my teams performance" aspect outweighs the "but i really like this guy personally and he gives such hard effort".

I guess just wait and pray he's out when Hossa returns.
- SimpleJack

don't hold your breath....

If Panik sticks around then this is a gesture to Mashinter before he is sent down to thank him for the hard work.
- a2zhawks

Problem is, why send Mashinter down when he wasn't put through waivers before the AHL playoff deadline?

Mashinter might not play again, but I don't think he's coming back to Rockford, either. The only one that was papered that might go back to Rockford is Rasmussen.

I will say this about Mash - he doesn't do a ton a negative things. He plays hard, responsible hockey. That being said, he doesn't do a lot of super positive things either. Limit offensive ability, and I think he could use his body a bit more too. But I think Q likes him because he doesn't make a lot of the bone head plays. Mash knows his role, and he plays it.

Out of that rant though - I like Panik's game better, and look forward to when Mash in watching from the press box.

MAGGOTT
- TheCore

UPPER CASE CAPS LOCKED

Wiese in, Panik out... not Mash
- jt19

And the word went forth ... thou shalt not remove Mashinter from the lineup ... and so it is and so it shall be.

don't hold your breath....
- EnzoD

Well lets think about this for a sec....

He's 100% not benching Toews, Kane, Hossa, Panarin, Ladd, Shaw, or Anisimov. You know that for a fact.

That leaves TT, Desi, Moose, Flash, and Weise. The way i see it, Desi is as close to that first group i listed as any of these 5, and Q would be crazy to sit him. I put that at like a .005% chance of happening. TT a few weeks ago would have seemed like a candidate(even tough that would have been nuts), but not anymore. He's playing much better lately and who the hell else is gonna play 3C? Why would Q breakup that line and mix things around like that? I put it right now at a 1% chance.

Then there's Flash and Weise. Why THE HELL would you bench your new trade acquisitions in favor of a backup AHLer thats been here all along? The ENTIRE POINT in adding these guys was to boost the depth so we wouldn't need the Mashinters of the world. Both players give you MUCH more than Mashinter, and we've already seen Q put trust in Flash to play on the PK and take on a larger role. He's already cemented in next to TT IMO, and unless Weise is just god awful tonight he should stay as well. I'd put it at a 1.573% chance that either Flash or Weise gets benched.

So that leaves Moose......who was FANTASTIC last night, continues to play solid mistake free overall, and continues to hold down 4C. I just dont see it....even if he plays somewhat poorly tonight. I'll put it at a 3% chance Moose gets benched in favor of Mash.

So.....i know its possible.....but its gotta be HIGHLY unlikely that Mashinter remains when Hossa returns. By taking out any of those 5 players for no good reason, Q would have some serious questions to answer and i will officially lose my mind.

Hey Wiz, how you get as much info as you do on potential draftees? Video? Insane travel? And how many times do you watch these guys before you do your evaluation? I've always wondered how player evaluators do those sorts of things.
- darklighter

LOL

I sent you two page PM on me, the process and the rsaon I may do it amybe one more year...time consuming....
Alexa, Sam and Jack need the attention that has been taken up by my past fanaticism...

My take on Mash playing is that as someone said earlier, it may be his last game. Coach Q is also a players coach to some respect and that goes a long way in the locker room. If Panik sticks around then this is a gesture to Mashinter before he is sent down to thank him for the hard work.
- a2zhawks

Edit: I forgot Mash isn't eligible for the AHL playoffs so that changes things. Perhaps it is just because Boston is a big team and Q wants the muscle in the lineup

Brian Bartlett ‏@BBarts 1h1 hour ago

Congrats to Kyle Baun on the extension with the Chicago Blackhawks! I can confirm reports that new deal has $625,000 AAV and is a one-way.

Color me surprised by this announcment, plus that it's a one way deal.

Guess Kyle Baun's tenure as a Hawk won't be short after all.

To 6628, and all the poster who find this disscussion stream interesting:

Got you, when you hold the hockey stick with your right hand on top of the stick and your left hand down the stick, you are a left-handed shooter.

Watch this explains it better:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pn1Vby9M1PA&sns=em
- walleyeb1

Would you happen to know the percentage of people who are right handed and do NOT shoot the proper way? I for one and many of my friends are right handed and shoot right handed. So the opposite of what they should do. I shoot pool left handed though. I'm back asswards.
- stan-ley-cups

Turns out it's an American thing:

http://icehockey.isport.c...r-dominant-hand-in-hockey
- walleyeb1

I have tried to engage Kyle Woodleif and many other of the scouting sites to discuss this area, but most thought what I thought to not be the case-
that during the original six there was a large disportioncate amount of left shooters, and I was attempting to engage them to see if they thought as I did that THAT HAD CHANGED and was it the fact that we no longer were force left-hander writer to change, or was it simply that there were more right handed people thus, more left handed hockey shooters.

Honestly I promise in the summer (not now when I shouldn't be taking this break even) I am gonna pull all my 1960's Stadium hockey programs (that you all refuse to purcahse from me) and match the real lines ups with my memory and the old NHL guides from each year and I am gonna give yo totals on the original six, illustrating the limited number of right shooters.

I do find it funny how the current speed of the game has the GMs/coaches saying yeah we need another right handed defender, etc all time...or siting how valuable having a right hander shooting deeman is....
I am preety sure in the original six what i just said was fact...teams were comprised of the better players available inside their organizations and most shot left handed.
They very fact, stanley that you stated your difference and walleye that article have made my day.
Thanks to you all for the discussion and the links, walleye!

Brian Bartlett ‏@BBarts 1h1 hour ago

Congrats to Kyle Baun on the extension with the Chicago Blackhawks! I can confirm reports that new deal has $625,000 AAV and is a one-way.

Color me surprised by this announcment, plus that it's a one way deal.

Guess Kyle Baun's tenure as a Hawk won't be short after all.
- ArlingtonRob

Not me as i said earlier they are gonna have to go the low salary route yet again and Baun can play and has improved, and we all know if he doest play well enough, Dale or Bergevin will take him....

The problem that both Seabs and Hoss will face when they are viewed in the HOF conversation is the lack of major awards. We all know what type of players they are but there wasn't ever a time where either one has won an award. And while I believe that Hoss's longevity and maintained excellence along with the 3 rings he's got should get him into the hall, there are plenty of people who would hold his never being one of the 10 best players in the league against him.

For a wonderful look at this debate, I would suggest reading Sean McIndoe's review of Hossa's career as he does go in depth about it and it's a good read (I enjoy his Down Goes Brown schtick - he's very amusing).

Seabs, on the other hand, is a longer stretch to make it to the Hall. He's never had the elite offensive numbers that put him into the conversation for the Norris and that will hurt his cause as his best finish is 10th. While Seabs is and has been essential to the Hawks winning cups, he's going to be on the outside looking in on the Hall debate.
- dyoung

Hossa: you don't think that 500 goals gets him in?

Keeping Mashinter in the lineup and taking out Panik is ONE THING: Its VERY stupid. Nothing more. Nothing less. Its just flat out DUMB.

Our future HOF coach, as amazing as he is, is wrong. It makes no sense. It doesn't give us a better lineup, and it rids us of a better player.

Luckily, this is probly Mashinter's last game with Hossa likely returning Sunday.

I can't fathom Q keeping Mash and benching Rasmussen. If that happens all hell might break lose.
- SimpleJack

We don't see what goes on in the practices, or in the locker room, or the training habits - we don't even see on tv nearly what Q and the staff see when watching game films.

It certainly seems like Panik should be in before Mashinter - but we don't see everything.

Brian Bartlett ‏@BBarts 1h1 hour ago

Congrats to Kyle Baun on the extension with the Chicago Blackhawks! I can confirm reports that new deal has $625,000 AAV and is a one-way.

Color me surprised by this announcment, plus that it's a one way deal.

Guess Kyle Baun's tenure as a Hawk won't be short after all.
- ArlingtonRob

He's still waiver exempt and at $625,000 AAV Baun has no impact on the cap if he's in Rockford. Might as well keep him on board.

Not me as i said earlier they are gonna have to go the low salary route yet again and Baun can play and has improved, and we all know if he doest play well enough, Dale or Bergevin will take him....
- wiz1901

Fair enough...

I just thought with his injury and resulting lack of playing time/lack of development, the Hawks would likely cut bait and move on.

But if they still see some promise, so be it. Although the one-way deal still surprises me a bit.

[quote=philco28]Guarantee y'all the skilled guys welcome Mash's inclusion, especially in a hostile, rugged barn like Boston's.
- Davewn[/quote

Will Reaves' suspension be up by next Wed? Anybody willing to bet Q sits him if Reaves is in? Ott will draw back in at some point, speaking of cockroaches. Not saying I agree with it, just sayin...

Reaves suspension is done.

I'm sure it's because of baseball.

I wonder if our American hockey players are actually at a disadvantage because of it.
- darklighter

It's baseball and more......They ignore that it also is due to throwing. It also has little to do with hand placement but actually has more to do with feet placement, stride and hip rotation.

Your hip and leg movement in hitting is a similar position to the same side in hockey. Hit right leg placement is more like shoot right.

Right handed in hockey is like batting right - left leg is in front, right leg in back. Weight transfer is more similar, etc.

Ditto with soccer, golf, etc.