Question, If JT leaves and most are sensing a rebuild around Barzal, well besides Lee as the best trade chip & others on current roster should go to, but should team consider trading Leddy also? Would get back a drastic haul for him ..
- Ur Not Me

Staple mentioned trading Leddy if they somehow won the Dahlin lottery, but Leddy is too affordable and important to move without someone like Dahlin coming in.

It's not like they'd be Buffalo/Arizona bad if Tavares left, so having a total firesale would be a little extreme.

Staple mentioned trading Leddy if they somehow won the Dahlin lottery, but Leddy is too affordable and important to move without someone like Dahlin coming in.

It's not like they'd be Buffalo/Arizona bad if Tavares left, so having a total firesale would be a little extreme.
- eichiefs9

I get that but with how the league is trescending with young talent, might as well follow suit and start building around the kids currently & ones possibly on their way. I would just consider shedding as much salary as possible while getting better talent on the cheap on moving forward ...

Plus dont give a poop about what Staple says, honestly he's a joke ..


* we are not gonna win anything with this current group bc of bad contracts & no G and barely any upcoming good dmen

I do think Nelson has some value, I just don't think there's that much. There were 118 players that scored 20 goals or more this season and, while 20g is certainly a nice number, I don't think it makes him super-valuable. I know you said part of a package, so obviously it would matter what else we would include...but I don't see Nelson being an especially-valuable piece.

I also probably wouldn't use Chiarelli's trades a benchmark for players' value...he's made some pretty god-awful deals.

And I'm not looking to go down this road, because it's a matte of opinion, but I don't think Clutterbuck has value to anybody with four more years on a deal that overpays him by a lot.
- eichiefs9

I think Nelson has more upside than this isles system allows. Im not even sure what system they've employed other than block less shots and allow 40+ shots on a goal a night. Either way I would offer up Nelson, with a first and a prospect or any other package deal to address the need.

We can agree to disagree on Clutterbuck, but my only point was if they were going to try and unload him the time to do so is at the deadline when a team wants that type of hockey. While we are disagreeing on him, i do believe he's better than a 4th liner.

Sidenote : Funny after watching some of the Bruins Lightening game, I couldnt help but laugh at Tampa's Mikhail Sergachev. The kid is just nasty, and here the isles are desperate for talent on the backend, and somehow Yzerman was able to aquire him. Yes Drouin is a special talent, but im quite certain the isles could have aquired him for the right deal. Just looking at the Lightening roster, you see the difference in the two clubs. Its literally night and day...

Question, If JT leaves and most are sensing a rebuild around Barzal, well besides Lee as the best trade chip & others on current roster should go to, but should team consider trading Leddy also? Would get back a drastic haul for him ..
- Ur Not Me

I wanna know what the deal with Ho Sang is. Talent was why Snow took a flyer on him, so where is his value? In a perfect world he's a trade chip and or a replacement for Nelson if he gets traded.

I wanna know what the deal with Ho Sang is. Talent was why Snow took a flyer on him, so where is his value? In a perfect world he's a trade chip and or a replacement for Nelson if he gets traded.
- kindlyrick

He's still sleeping, alarm didnt go off ....

He's still sleeping, alarm didnt go off ....
- Ur Not Me

Hahha
I guess thats better than being stuck in Russia with no intentions of coming here. The Kiril's are on their way..

Well they're not ever getting rid of Ladd, he's gotta a full NMC. Clutterbuck is awful and I have no idea who would want him or what they'd have to give up in order to grease another team to take on that terrible deal.

If Tavares signs, they're probably not going to be able to keep Lee after next season. Snow really backed them into a corner, with regards to the cap, and they flat-out won't be able to afford him.

If Tavares walks, I'd still strongly consider moving him because we'd essentially be back to the rebuilding-drawing-board and there's no point in paying him $7M/year until he's 36. That would just be more poor cap management.

Lee would be about the only valuable trade chip we have and I think there would be a lot of interest in him. I'm not convinced that Lee is still going to be a 40g scorer in 5-6 years, so I'd prefer that they cash in on his monster season now...while they still can.
- eichiefs9

He maybe the first Cpt. of the expansion Seattle Franchise. If we have a new creative gM maybe he can make a deal to take him off of our hands. It will cost us but it maybe the only way to get rid of that Cap Hit. Of course he would have to agree.

He maybe the first Cpt. of the expansion Seattle Franchise. If we have a new creative gM maybe he can make a deal to take him off of our hands. It will cost us but it maybe the only way to get rid of that Cap Hit. Of course he would have to agree.
- nyisles7

Or they can just buy him out

Or they can just buy him out
- kindlyrick

A buyout won't do anything as far as Cap relief KR. He is being paid a yearly bonus for the most part of his compensation and a very small salary and bonuses can not be bought out. They need to be paid and counted against the cap.
Well done Ladds Agent and great job Snow you dumb ass. No wonder why he signed here, no one else would give him that type of contract.

The way things are trending, I think we're going to hear more and more about the potential of trading Anders Lee at some point before his deal is up. They're not going to be able to afford to sign him thanks to the contracts Snow has handed out to dildos like Ladd and Clutterbuck.

I know the Schweiner and most of the rest of you hate the idea, but I'm into it for the right defenseman. He'll be 29 when his next contract starts and that's a dicey call to give him major money/term at that age. Frankly, and I love the guy and what he brings, I'd look to move him this offseason while his value is at his highest. Obviously only in the right deal, not looking to flip him for any old dingus that plays defense.
- eichiefs9

And you think Garth snow can pull this off?

He maybe the first Cpt. of the expansion Seattle Franchise. If we have a new creative gM maybe he can make a deal to take him off of our hands. It will cost us but it maybe the only way to get rid of that Cap Hit. Of course he would have to agree.
- nyisles7

He's got a NMC -- he'd be automatically protected. Not to mention he'd have final say on any deal and I would imagine that he doesn't feel like playing 1,000+ miles away from his family for 6 more seasons. He's driving the bus there, no matter how creative any GM on earth could get.

And you think Garth snow can pull this off?
- Upstate_isles

No, but that doesn't have any bearing on whether or not it's the right decision.

No, but that doesn't have any bearing on whether or not it's the right decision.
- eichiefs9

I'd move Lee for oel karlson or Carlson

I'd move Lee for oel karlson or Carlson
- Upstate_isles

Carlson is UFA and you'd have to add a ton of other assets to land the other two

He's got a NMC -- he'd be automatically protected. Not to mention he'd have final say on any deal and I would imagine that he doesn't feel like playing 1,000+ miles away from his family for 6 more seasons. He's driving the bus there, no matter how creative any GM on earth could get.
- eichiefs9

True but you make a trade right after . Again we need a new creative GM to pull that off.

True but you make a trade right after . Again we need a new creative GM to pull that off.
- nyisles7

Make a trade for what? Ladd isn't approving a trade anywhere.

Carlson is UFA and you'd have to add a ton of other assets to land the other two
- eichiefs9

How about just staying away from the UFA market like WPG?

How about just staying away from the UFA market like WPG?
- bgainesDM

There are always some good value-signings, but in general yes...I would typically agree with that idea. The cap issues are pretty much going to prohibit us from being in the hunt for a significant UFA anyway.

There are always some good value-signings, but in general yes...I would typically agree with that idea. The cap issues are pretty much going to prohibit us from being in the hunt for a significant UFA anyway.
- eichiefs9

Even if we didn't have any, the UFA signings would hurt because you have to overpay due to them getting 1 year less. Not worth it.
For trades, I'd like to see if they can snatch Jake Allen given that STL has to retool for a few years.

Even if we didn't have any, the UFA signings would hurt because you have to overpay due to them getting 1 year less. Not worth it.
For trades, I'd like to see if they can snatch Jake Allen given that STL has to retool for a few years.
- bgainesDM

Allen would be nice, but I can't imagine STL is going to look to move him. Going with a 32yo Hutton for a full year seems a bit risky, even if they maybe need to retool things a little. I have absolutely no idea what these idiots are going to do in goal.

Personally, I'd like to see them take a stab at Lehner. He's played for two garbage organizations (and why not make it three!) and I think he's got more talent than people give him credit for.

Carlson is UFA and you'd have to add a ton of other assets to land the other two
- eichiefs9

Yup like a few picks

Make a trade for what? Ladd isn't approving a trade anywhere.
- eichiefs9

You've been to his house and got that nugget

If he's sent to Bridgeport he might want to approve a trade somewhere.

Also you leave an asset that Seattle wants with the understanding they take Badd in a trade. Look l;one shot yes but can be done. They need to reach the floor so they can absorb some poopty high contracts.

To pull this off I have no faith in Snow having the capability never mind admitting it was a horse shat FA signing.

We need a creative real NHL GM to pull of some magic to get rid of him for sure.

You've been to his house and got that nugget

If he's sent to Bridgeport he might want to approve a trade somewhere.

Also you leave an asset that Seattle wants with the understanding they take Badd in a trade. Look l;one shot yes but can be done. They need to reach the floor so they can absorb some poopty high contracts.

To pull this off I have no faith in Snow having the capability never mind admitting it was a horse shat FA signing.

We need a creative real NHL GM to pull of some magic to get rid of him for sure.
- nyisles7

No GM would be able to trade him because Ladd would never waive his NMC. Never. He's making his money whether or not he plays in NHL or AHL. He, unfortunately, is staying.

You've been to his house and got that nugget

If he's sent to Bridgeport he might want to approve a trade somewhere.

Also you leave an asset that Seattle wants with the understanding they take Badd in a trade. Look l;one shot yes but can be done. They need to reach the floor so they can absorb some poopty high contracts.

To pull this off I have no faith in Snow having the capability never mind admitting it was a horse shat FA signing.

We need a creative real NHL GM to pull of some magic to get rid of him for sure.
- nyisles7

He has a no-movement clause...they couldn't send him to Bridgeport even if they wanted to.

I certainly have no tasty nuggets but if he wanted a NMC in his contract, and got one, I have a really hard time believing he'll waive it with 5-6 years left on his deal to go play on the other side of the country for an expansion team, far away from his family on LI.

But it's a moot point, because we all know dickface won't do anything.

No GM would be able to trade him because Ladd would never waive his NMC. Never. He's making his money whether or not he plays in NHL or AHL. He, unfortunately, is staying.
- bgainesDM

OK, I'm always wrong so your right.

Bridgeport is a great place to raise the Family

Well Snow the GM you defended quite regularly on here, keeping Crappy being his only down fall) for sure isn't going to get it done.

Tim Thomas was traded. Remember the Horton David Clarkson deal? Anyone can be traded