Matthews, Tavares and Marner.

Surplus.
- Unholy_Goalie

Two centers, one winger.
Not a surplus.
Nylander makes it two centers and two wingers
Still not a surplus.

We have no one to replace nylanders talent.

Now, we have players that may be able to replace brown, kap, and johnsson's talent. Thats a surplus.
Use one of them to get your dman.

Two centers, one winger.
Not a surplus.
Nylander makes it two centers and two wingers
Still not a surplus.

We have no one to replace nylanders talent.

Now, we have players that may be able to replace brown, kap, and johnsson's talent. Thats a surplus.
Use one of them to get your dman.
- Fakepartofme

With no salary cap, it'd be no problem. But with a salary cap, Nylander is a surplus. Matthews at 11 or 12 million, Tavares at 11 million and Marner at 8 or 9 million and then Nylander who wants 8. That's half the cap on 4 forwards with (frank) all on defense.

Kapanen can replace Nylander well enough. They're scoring without Nylander, Matthews, Tavares and Marner all make the players around them better. Tavares did it for years making nobodies into 20-30 goal scorers.

Nobody is going to give you a legit RHD for Brown, Johnsson and spare parts. You have to give something to get something. Even if you did get a legit RHD for spare parts, guess what? You have to pay that RHD big bucks and with Nylander eating up a bunch of cap space, it's even harder to fit him.

With no salary cap, it'd be no problem. But with a salary cap, Nylander is a surplus. Matthews at 11 or 12 million, Tavares at 11 million and Marner at 8 or 9 million and then Nylander who wants 8. That's half the cap on 4 forwards with (frank) all on defense.

Kapanen can replace Nylander well enough. They're scoring without Nylander, Matthews, Tavares and Marner all make the players around them better. Tavares did it for years making nobodies into 20-30 goal scorers.

Nobody is going to give you a legit RHD for Brown, Johnsson and spare parts. You have to give something to get something.
- Unholy_Goalie

Can’t afford Nylander at 6.5, but can afford Karlsson at 11... GG noob

Kapanen can replace Nylander well enough.
- Unholy_Goalie

Oh.

With no salary cap, it'd be no problem. But with a salary cap, Nylander is a surplus. Matthews at 11 or 12 million, Tavares at 11 million and Marner at 8 or 9 million and then Nylander who wants 8. That's half the cap on 4 forwards with (frank) all on defense.

Kapanen can replace Nylander well enough. They're scoring without Nylander, Matthews, Tavares and Marner all make the players around them better. Tavares did it for years making nobodies into 20-30 goal scorers.

Nobody is going to give you a legit RHD for Brown, Johnsson and spare parts. You have to give something to get something.
- Unholy_Goalie

Kapanen is actually the better overall player at the moment as he can play in all situations, is faster, hits guys and digs, and offensively is not that far behind. Nylander has got more flash and will score more, but come playoff time Kapanen will be the better guy. Trade Bill Nye, the cap hell this team is about to be in is crazy, they have to free up space.

Can’t afford Nylander at 6.5, but can afford Karlsson at 11... GG noob
- Steven_Seagull

Clearly Nylander signed for 6.5.

And clearly the Leafs will pluck a #1 RHD out of thin air who will make 4.5.

Clearly.

My own personal reasons why I feel leafs should try to sign nylander even if it means moving off parts off team (dead wood) to give Willy a decent salary 6 years at:
Year—Pay
1 6.5
2 6.5
3 (marleau off books) $7.25
4$7.25
5$7.5
6$7.5

Brown-kapanen-Johnson-leivo-lindholm-Ennis
To name a few can NOT snipe goals only as nylander can. He is a gifted talented player that leafs need to keep. Only will get better. He is perhaps not the best defensive player but neither is kessel and look what he adds to team. Pay him a little less first two years until marleau is off books or trade marleau now for a decent prospect (left winger) and free up room and pay Willy not exceeding $7.5 aav

Kapanen is actually the better overall player at the moment as he can play in all situations, is faster, hits guys and digs, and offensively is not that far behind. Nylander has got more flash and will score more, but come playoff time Kapanen will be the better guy. Trade Bill Nye, the cap hell this team is about to be in is crazy, they have to free up space.
- aminnes

Kapanen isn't better than Nylander 1 for 1 but if Kapanen can give you 75% of Nylander's production and if they can get a legit RHD for Nylander, they'd be a better team overall.

Kapanen isn't better than Nylander 1 for 1 but if Kapanen can give you 75% of Nylander's production and if they can get a legit RHD for Nylander, they'd be a better team overall.
- Unholy_Goalie

UG math

This poop never gets old

Clearly Nylander signed for 6.5.

And clearly the Leafs will pluck a #1 RHD out of thin air who will make 4.5.

Clearly.
- Unholy_Goalie

Liljegren

Kapanen isn't better than Nylander 1 for 1 but if Kapanen can give you 75% of Nylander's production and if they can get a legit RHD for Nylander, they'd be a better team overall.
- Unholy_Goalie

Agreed. No argument. Kapenan has a ton of speed but DOES NOT have the sniper shot-ability that nylander possesses. Hi speed is kaptivating
but you have IT or you don’t. Re SNIPER

We were just getting into serious weed discussions and then we got Ugged.


oh well.


*fires up the hub*

Kapanen isn't better than Nylander 1 for 1 but if Kapanen can give you 75% of Nylander's production and if they can get a legit RHD for Nylander, they'd be a better team overall.
- Unholy_Goalie

I'm not talking offence, but he is a very good penalty killer, and he does more. WN is better offensively of course, but he isn't very good defensively, and he isn't going to get in to the corner and fight for pucks especially in the playoffs. So to me, Kap has more to offer as an overall player going forward in terms of the teams needs.

UG math

This poop never gets old
- Santo_44

4 goals, 8 points in 9 games and wasn't even playing on the top line from the 1st game.

Obviously, he won't be a PPG player but Nylander scored 20 and 60 last year. Kapanen can do that. It's not unrealistic for Kapanen to score 20 and 60. And that's fine.

Very basic.

With no salary cap, it'd be no problem. But with a salary cap, Nylander is a surplus. Matthews at 11 or 12 million, Tavares at 11 million and Marner at 8 or 9 million and then Nylander who wants 8. That's half the cap on 4 forwards with (frank) all on defense.

Kapanen can replace Nylander well enough. They're scoring without Nylander, Matthews, Tavares and Marner all make the players around them better. Tavares did it for years making nobodies into 20-30 goal scorers.

Nobody is going to give you a legit RHD for Brown, Johnsson and spare parts. You have to give something to get something. Even if you did get a legit RHD for spare parts, guess what? You have to pay that RHD big bucks and with Nylander eating up a bunch of cap space, it's even harder to fit him.
- Unholy_Goalie

Not your best effort

Liljegren
- Steven_Seagull

Might be a top-four D. Not a legit top pair RHD and certainly not any time soon either.

Besides, rather have him play behind a legit RHD like Pietrangelo than place the unrealistic expectations of this team's future on his shoulders.

Rielly / Pietrangelo
Gardiner / Zaitsev
Dermott / Liljegren

Is a lot better than...

Rielly / Liljegren
Gardiner / Zaitsev
Dermott / Plug

I'm not talking offence, but he is a very good penalty killer, and he does more. WN is better offensively of course, but he isn't very good defensively, and he isn't going to get in to the corner and fight for pucks especially in the playoffs. So to me, Kap has more to offer as an overall player going forward in terms of the teams needs.
- aminnes

I'd agree, I like how he skates, hustles, kills penalties, his body is bigger, he's stronger but in terms of value and production, Nylander brings more to the table. But that's exactly why I'd be alright with Kapanen scoring 75% of what Nylander scores and moving Nylander for a #1 RHD.

Put kapanen nylander and Matthews on same line and every one happy

Might be a top-four D. Not a legit top pair RHD and certainly not any time soon either.

Besides, rather have him play behind a legit RHD like Pietrangelo than place the unrealistic expectations of this team's future on his shoulders.

Rielly / Pietrangelo
Gardiner / Zaitsev
Dermott / Liljegren

Is a lot better than...

Rielly / Liljegren
Gardiner / Zaitsev
Dermott / Plug
- Unholy_Goalie

Leafs can wait for him. They are 4 years away after all.

Leafs can wait for him. They are 4 years away after all.
- Steven_Seagull

Yup, just in time for Andersen, Kadri, Hyman and Rielly to be UFAs.

Holy poop it's been a minute since I read about trading Nylander for RHD. Glad I came back and didn't miss this debate.

Yup, just in time for Andersen, Kadri, Hyman and Rielly to be UFAs.
- Unholy_Goalie

Then we can trade them for picks and prospects.

I'd agree, I like how he skates, hustles, kills penalties, his body is bigger, he's stronger but in terms of value and production, Nylander brings more to the table. But that's exactly why I'd be alright with Kapanen scoring 75% of what Nylander scores and moving Nylander for a #1 RHD.
- Unholy_Goalie

Sorry man I just don’t agree with you

There are a lot of Kapenens in this league...not many Nylanders.

That’s where Nylanders value skyrockets over a guy like Kap.

It’s why Matthews, Echiel and McDavid get 5-6 million more than the Nylanders. It’s because the higher in skill a player is the less there are of him.

Kap doesn’t even come close to Nylander

Sorry man I just don’t agree with you

There are a lot of Kapenens in this league...not many Nylanders.

That’s where Nylanders value skyrockets over a guy like Kap.

It’s why Matthews, Echiel and McDavid get 5-6 million more than the Nylanders. It’s because the higher in skill a player is the less there are of him.

Kap doesn’t even come close to Nylander
- Santo_44

How are they going to ice a competitive team cap wise? Who do they lose then?

How are they going to ice a competitive team cap wise? Who do they lose then?
- aminnes

Gardiner, and Hainsey this offseason. Marleau and Horton next offseason.