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PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: 1st rd exit is the new normal, ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

May 13 @ 3:52 PM ET
Would have been interesting if Nylander didn't get a contract at all.

He'd still belong to the Leafs and the team probably wouldn't have suffered at all from it this year on the ice because he did next to nothing most of the year.

And, no 6.9 cap hit either.

Maybe the move really was to have him sit the whole year out.

- JohnFergusonJr



You're thinking the best idea was to never sign him at all?

The 6.9M cap hit would be here next year, if he only sat out 1 year, no?
aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB
Joined: 12.17.2008

May 13 @ 3:52 PM ET
Would have been interesting if Nylander didn't get a contract at all.

He'd still belong to the Leafs and the team probably wouldn't have suffered at all from it this year on the ice because he did next to nothing most of the year.

And, no 6.9 cap hit either.

Maybe the move really was to have him sit the whole year out.

- JohnFergusonJr


Yup. He would be happy to settle for a lot less money. But then, they would have realized they didn't need him anyway and could shop him.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

May 13 @ 3:52 PM ET
Bill Ny is the best player on the ice for Sweden.

Would've been great if he played this way for the Leafs.

- GreatGigInTheSky


big ice surface... and they are playing against Norway correct?

so ... level of physicality not very high
he probably skates better than anyone on the Norwegian team
and there's no pressure... if he plays like crap will anyone notice? not likely.

I hope for his sake he gets his confidence/mojo back.. but playing well against Norway ain't gonna do it

Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

May 13 @ 3:52 PM ET
Bill Ny is the best player on the ice for Sweden.

Would've been great if he played this way for the Leafs.

- GreatGigInTheSky

Sundin Syndrome.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

May 13 @ 3:53 PM ET
Depends. Bracco, Liljegren, Dermott, Rosen, Sandin, Moore, GOAT, Marin- oh dear god we’re doomed.
- Steven_Seagull



I know we have a couple that can step right in at $1m and help/not hurt. Not sold on young D being able to do it, especially if all we have is Muzzin/Rielly and Dermott coming back after rehab and only really playing bottom pairing so far.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: 1st rd exit is the new normal, ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

May 13 @ 3:53 PM ET
Nah, I will continue to push the narrative because many many people and those in the hockey world also know this. Seagull said it's a false narrative guys, better shut up. No one knows exactly what they club was thinking, but we do know they gave him an enormous amount of money while he was a RFA and had zero leverage and was 21 years old. So ya, a cave.
- aminnes



Please explain?

Nylander ask for $8M, Leafs sign him for $6.9M... How did the Leafs cave?
JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 13 @ 3:53 PM ET
And any other team can offer-sheet him, up to $4 million per year, and only surrender a 2nd round pick as compensation.

The Leafs are in a tough bind, cap-wise, this year.

- Atomic Wedgie


And the defense still sucks with no space to improve it.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Concepts of a Shanaplan
Joined: 03.03.2016

May 13 @ 3:54 PM ET
Nah, I will continue to push the narrative because many many people and those in the hockey world also know this. Seagull said it's a false narrative guys, better shut up. No one knows exactly what they club was thinking, but we do know they gave him an enormous amount of money while he was a RFA and had zero leverage and was 21 years old. So ya, a cave.
- aminnes



Hey guys, some guy on the internets said the Leafs caved. (frank), might as well fold the team...
LeafGuy89
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 05.13.2017

May 13 @ 3:54 PM ET
Weird question:

Was Marner asked to play for Team Canada at this year's Worlds?

- Atomic Wedgie


Not sure if anyone has answered this yet, but as far as I know players coming off of RFA's are not able to play since they're not on contracts. I could be wrong though, as it doesn't make much sense to me
JohnFergusonJr
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'd be happy with Che Guevara; hero of the Cuban revolution. - Canada Cup aka AOCC
Joined: 01.14.2011

May 13 @ 3:54 PM ET
You're thinking the best idea was to never sign him at all?

The 6.9M cap hit would be here next year, if he only sat out 1 year, no?

- PatC80


No, I meant no contract at all.

He'd be an unsigned RFA.

He'd go play in Sweden or the KHL this past season and the Leafs would have retained his rights but he'd have no cap hit.
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

May 13 @ 3:54 PM ET
That's why the Nylander negotiating was so crucial. But it was a cave in. Imagine if he had sat the whole year and your Matthews. You now know how far the club is prepared to go to keep their cap situation level. Instead you see the club cave in, paying 20 million in 12 months, and you realize you can fleece these guys. Absolutely zero chance Mitch gets anything less than his maximum UFA value just like those two did. Why would he take less?
- aminnes


thats all made up

what if Matthews saw they Leafs wouldnt pay and and let Nylander sit out all years said (frank) it trade me. you cheap (frank)s

all this made up nonsense is so frustrating

just watch what Bob Mckenzie says about it and thats all that needs to be said

Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

May 13 @ 3:54 PM ET
Would have been interesting if Nylander didn't get a contract at all.

He'd still belong to the Leafs and the team probably wouldn't have suffered at all from it this year on the ice because he did next to nothing most of the year.

And, no 6.9 cap hit either.

Maybe the move really was to have him sit the whole year out.

- JohnFergusonJr


Yeah horrible decision to want a top 6 forward on your team when you want to compete.

(frank) having good players. Send them all to Europe when they want to be paid. We don’t need to win a cup we just need good cap hits.
aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB
Joined: 12.17.2008

May 13 @ 3:54 PM ET
How did the club "cave" exactly?

Don't you recall all of those reports saying Nylander was looking for $8M+ per season?
We got him at $6.9, which is almost the same that Pastrnak got. Which was considered a comparable contract at that time.

- PatC80


Comparable to who? No one thought he was anywhere near as good as Pasta except Leafs fans. He could have wanted 12 million a year. What he wanted has nothing to do with it, it's what was he worth. With how bad this has turned out I'm amazed people still stand by Dubas. Awful contract.
Scabeh
Montreal Canadiens
Location: The Slovakian Jagr, QC
Joined: 02.25.2007

May 13 @ 3:54 PM ET
You're thinking the best idea was to never sign him at all?

The 6.9M cap hit would be here next year, if he only sat out 1 year, no?

- PatC80

Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

May 13 @ 3:55 PM ET
thats all made up

what if Matthews saw they Leafs wouldnt pay and and let Nylander sit out all years said (frank) it trade me. you cheap (frank)s

all this made up nonsense is so frustrating

just watch what Bob Mckenzie says about it and thats all that needs to be said

- senstroll


It’s crazy what some fans make up in their heads.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Concepts of a Shanaplan
Joined: 03.03.2016

May 13 @ 3:55 PM ET


I know we have a couple that can step right in at $1m and help/not hurt. Not sold on young D being able to do it, especially if all we have is Muzzin/Rielly and Dermott coming back after rehab and only really playing bottom pairing so far.

- Garnie



There’s gonna be some trades. One of Johnsson/Kapanen and Kadri/Nylander will be moved for defence. SS4
senstroll
Location: Leafs AAV Champs, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

May 13 @ 3:55 PM ET
Yup. He would be happy to settle for a lot less money. But then, they would have realized they didn't need him anyway and could shop him.
- aminnes


as Nylander skates circles around people this minute

https://twitter.com/A_Kal...tatus/1128019440161964032

anyways, Nylander is going to make a lot of fans look stupid
Santo_44
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 10.20.2014

May 13 @ 3:56 PM ET

- Scabeh

Genius

I forgot the real way to win in the NHL.

Have your best players play for another team in a different league and get zero compensation for it.
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

May 13 @ 3:56 PM ET
thats all made up

what if Matthews saw they Leafs wouldnt pay and and let Nylander sit out all years said (frank) it trade me. you cheap (frank)s

all this made up nonsense is so frustrating

just watch what Bob Mckenzie says about it and thats all that needs to be said

- senstroll


Bob's fat.
Atomic Wedgie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: The centre of the hockey universe
Joined: 07.31.2006

May 13 @ 3:56 PM ET
Yeah if they decide to keep Z and Brown over them then yes.

However they won’t so

- Santo_44

30 other GMs will decide that the Leafs keep Zaitsev.
aminnes
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Mrs. Buzzkill, AB
Joined: 12.17.2008

May 13 @ 3:56 PM ET
thats all made up

what if Matthews saw they Leafs wouldnt pay and and let Nylander sit out all years said (frank) it trade me. you cheap (frank)s

all this made up nonsense is so frustrating

just watch what Bob Mckenzie says about it and thats all that needs to be said

- senstroll



Bob Mac? lol The same guy defending the league's god awful suspensions and officiating. He's a league apologist, I gives two poops what he says. They were restricted you guys. These were not UFA's yet the club reacted like they were.
Steven_Seagull
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Concepts of a Shanaplan
Joined: 03.03.2016

May 13 @ 3:57 PM ET
It’s crazy what some fans make up in their heads.
- Santo_44



No, but guys, the Leafs didn’t get Nylander and Matthews signed to 8 year deals at league minimum. Totally caved.
PatC80
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: 1st rd exit is the new normal, ON
Joined: 08.11.2011

May 13 @ 3:57 PM ET
No, I meant no contract at all.

He'd be an unsigned RFA.

He'd go play in Sweden or the KHL this past season and the Leafs would have retained his rights but he'd have no cap hit.

- JohnFergusonJr



How long do you want him playing in Europe?
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

May 13 @ 3:57 PM ET
How did the club "cave" exactly?

Don't you recall all of those reports saying Nylander was looking for $8M+ per season?
We got him at $6.9, which is almost the same that Pastrnak got. Which was considered a comparable contract at that time.

- PatC80

umm, 7.5
Garnie
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: ON
Joined: 11.30.2009

May 13 @ 3:57 PM ET
as Nylander skates circles around people this minute

https://twitter.com/A_Kal...tatus/1128019440161964032

anyways, Nylander is going to make a lot of fans look stupid

- senstroll


If he puts up 40 points next year, some other fans will also look stupid.

*looks around the room*
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