Saw a blog yesterday talking about the Sabres, they were basically saying we should save money and protect our ELCs, try to make the playoffs, and go hard after Rantanen or Draisaitl next offseason. How much does everyone hate this idea?
- QuinnFan

It relies on both those players actually hitting FA

The need is now

https://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Ryan-Wilson/Penguins-deny-permission-to-talk-to-Mike-Sullivan/177/125146
- kingcong39

Lol.
"This isn’t much of a change as far as I can see. Mike Sullivan is still entrenched with the team and there is nothing pointing to a change in his coaching status heading into the upcoming season."

Nothing to see here, move along.
When news is reporting there isn't any news

He always wore 12, what's 1+2? 3. Baby killing, adrenochrome using Satanist.
- Wetbandit1

SATANNNNN!!!!!

If he were 6'1" he would be ranked higher.
I like his motor, the fact he has competed against men and done well. He may be guilty of trying to be a one man show though.
- IonSabres

At 6'1, surely. But size does matter (that's what she said).

I do too. I watched one of the WJC games and it was somewhat illuminating. He's definitely got more tricks up his sleeve than I thought. Not a dangler exactly, but he can carry.

They have no chance of landing that caliber of player unless the team takes a positive step forward this year and they don't have a chance to take a positive step forward unless they spend on the roster. Upgrade the roster this year and then make room next offseason if that seems remotely plausible. No more waiting for pipe dreams (i.e. Kane this past year). They need to focus on reasonable, incremental progress this offseason which will require spending money
- Hank Balling

I think this would have to be coupled with us making the playoffs this year. That being said, if we spend now, those guys are probably out of reach. Do you think, with Lindy at the helm, and a few additions to the bottom 6, we can pull off a playoff spot?

It relies on both those players actually hitting FA

The need is now
- Jet Jaguar BD

True and true. I wasn't a huge fan of it, but adding either of those guys, for free through FA, would really catapult the skill up the ladder. I can see it both ways tbh, despite really not wanting to wait longer either. Looks like the Caps, Isles and Lightning are all ready to fall finally, which helps chances a lot.

I think this would have to be coupled with us making the playoffs this year. That being said, if we spend now, those guys are probably out of reach. Do you think, with Lindy at the helm, and a few additions to the bottom 6, we can pull off a playoff spot?
- QuinnFan

They would only be out of reach financially if the GM is unwilling to make the difficult corresponding moves it would take to make the cap work.

They would only be out of reach financially if the GM is unwilling to make the difficult corresponding moves it would take to make the cap work.
- kingcong39

Maybe. What would those two cost respectively? 12M on the open market or so? Maybe I'm a mil or two high, I guess, but think that's in the ballpark.

That's a lot to move out. On that subject, do you think there's any chance we can move on from Skinner or are we just stuck there?

On that subject, do you think there's any chance we can move on from Skinner or are we just stuck there?
- QuinnFan

2024 1st rd pick and 2 mil retained would be in the ballpark

probably throw another prospect in the mix as well

but if our gm is pissing away cap on guys like erik johnson, girgens, okposo, jost, robinson, comrie, bryson and olofsson then I see no reason to move skinner as at least he produces

2024 1st rd pick and 2 mil retained would be in the ballpark

probably throw another prospect in the mix as well

but if our gm is pissing away cap on guys like erik johnson, girgens, okposo, jost, robinson, comrie, bryson and olofsson then I see no reason to move skinner as at least he produces
- homiedclown

Yeah and I think that price is too steep to be beneficial. He does put up points as you say, I just drool a little when I think his salary plus a couple million can get a true all star player.

Lindy being apart of personnel decisions leads me to believe we won't be paying has beens like them anymore...but time will tell.

Yeah and I think that price is too steep to be beneficial. He does put up points as you say, I just drool a little when I think his salary plus a couple million can get a true all star player.

Lindy being apart of personnel decisions leads me to believe we won't be paying has beens like them anymore...but time will tell.
- QuinnFan

Adams pissed away close to 20 mil on erik johnson, girgens, okposo, jost, robinson, comrie, bryson and olofsson last season on a team that was suppose to be a playoff team

he has the cap space to add 1 top end guy if he wants to this summer

Adams pissed away close to 20 mil on erik johnson, girgens, okposo, jost, robinson, comrie, bryson and olofsson last season on a team that was suppose to be a playoff team

he has the cap space to add 1 top end guy if he wants to this summer
- homiedclown

Does he though?

Per Cap Friendly we have 23.2M to play with next season. If any of these are incorrectly priced, smack me, but doesn't leave a ton of meat on the bone:

UPL 5x5
Krebs 2x1.5
Joker 2x3
Replacing bottom 6 guys for Olo, Girgs, Jost, Robinson: 6m total on the low end
Need at least one D, I figure they resign Bryson 1x2m

That's 17.5M, leaving us with just under 6M to work with if my calculations are right. Have to keep in mind that after next season Quinn, Peterka, Byram and Greenway are up as well, with the first two looking at hefty raises.

Adams pissed away close to 20 mil on erik johnson, girgens, okposo, jost, robinson, comrie, bryson and olofsson last season on a team that was suppose to be a playoff team

he has the cap space to add 1 top end guy if he wants to this summer
- homiedclown

Absolutely ruined what should have been a very advantageous cap position last year. He talks the talk and now with reports coming out about a top 6 winger and 3rd line center he has created internal pressure on himself

I dont trust him to do what's necessary to overhaul and upgrade the roster. 4 years in and he has yet to make a significant move that he wasn't forced into making

Does he though?

Per Cap Friendly we have 23.2M to play with next season. If any of these are incorrectly priced, smack me, but doesn't leave a ton of meat on the bone:

UPL 5x5
Krebs 2x1.5
Joker 2x3
Replacing bottom 6 guys for Olo, Girgs, Jost, Robinson: 6m total on the low end
Need at least one D, I figure they resign Bryson 1x2m

That's 17.5M, leaving us with just under 6M to work with if my calculations are right. Have to keep in mind that after next season Quinn, Peterka, Byram and Greenway are up as well, with the first two looking at hefty raises.
- QuinnFan

I am looking at next year only for now with the cap

if you move on from joker and plug in entry guys for the open spots up front, you have the money to get that top 4 d man to play with power

you also have money to get that one guy up front if you don't piss it away with a few guys to round out the roster

if you bring back girgens, jost, bryson, joker and grab a 3 mil back up goalie of course you do not have that money

Does he though?

Per Cap Friendly we have 23.2M to play with next season. If any of these are incorrectly priced, smack me, but doesn't leave a ton of meat on the bone:

UPL 5x5
Krebs 2x1.5
Joker 2x3
Replacing bottom 6 guys for Olo, Girgs, Jost, Robinson: 6m total on the low end
Need at least one D, I figure they resign Bryson 1x2m

That's 17.5M, leaving us with just under 6M to work with if my calculations are right. Have to keep in mind that after next season Quinn, Peterka, Byram and Greenway are up as well, with the first two looking at hefty raises.
- QuinnFan

You're right. Effectively they don't have a lot of cap space, and maybe even less budget space. We also know the KA mentality is to worry about the next contracts and handcuff himself. Worry about Tuch's extension and avoid any commitments now. Maybe some threat to his job will push things, but he's conservative by nature.

Does he though?

Per Cap Friendly we have 23.2M to play with next season. If any of these are incorrectly priced, smack me, but doesn't leave a ton of meat on the bone:

UPL 5x5
Krebs 2x1.5
Joker 2x3
Replacing bottom 6 guys for Olo, Girgs, Jost, Robinson: 6m total on the low end
Need at least one D, I figure they resign Bryson 1x2m

That's 17.5M, leaving us with just under 6M to work with if my calculations are right. Have to keep in mind that after next season Quinn, Peterka, Byram and Greenway are up as well, with the first two looking at hefty raises.
- QuinnFan

UPL 3.5x3
Krebs 1x1
Joker traded

Also I made this last week as what I hope is a good benchmark for the Cuck to strive for. I know you saw it previously.




https://www.capfriendly.c...ad/826357?post_id=4848629

game 7 for jacksonville tonight

side note, does this kid deserve a look in the fall for rochester at least?

https://www.hockeydb.com/...s/pdisplay.php?pid=216824

You're right. Effectively they don't have a lot of cap space, and maybe even less budget space. We also know the KA mentality is to worry about the next contracts and handcuff himself. Worry about Tuch's extension and avoid any commitments now. Maybe some threat to his job will push things, but he's conservative by nature.
- Lunaion

The real concern for me is not unloading Jeff Skinner by 7/1/25.

I am looking at next year only for now with the cap

if you move on from joker and plug in entry guys for the open spots up front, you have the money to get that top 4 d man to play with power

you also have money to get that one guy up front if you don't piss it away with a few guys to round out the roster

if you bring back girgens, jost, bryson, joker and grab a 3 mil back up goalie of course you do not have that money
- homiedclown

I get it. If RyJo, Kulich and Rosen are on the opening night roster, we're in a lot better shape, as an example. Not sure you can get both those things, but really depends what caliber of player you're chasing.

You're right. Effectively they don't have a lot of cap space, and maybe even less budget space. We also know the KA mentality is to worry about the next contracts and handcuff himself. Worry about Tuch's extension and avoid any commitments now. Maybe some threat to his job will push things, but he's conservative by nature.
- Lunaion

If he isn't blind, he sees the firing train coming down the tracks. Another lackluster year and you have to imagine he's done. Hopefully that will exhort some moves.

UPL 3.5x3
Krebs 1x1
Joker traded

Also I made this last week as what I hope is a good benchmark for the Cuck to strive for. I know you saw it previously.




https://www.capfriendly.c...ad/826357?post_id=4848629
- TheSabresTaco

I saw that and liked the construction, but it is predicated on moving Skinner then...which is a big if.

Edit: Just saw the next comment, so we're in agreement there. I am somehow doubting Skinner waives to go anywhere but a contender. Simply put a contender doesn't want him unless he's 50% retained. At $4.5m he'd probably get a small return, but we'd be robbing peter to pay paul, so to speak.

Edit: Just saw the next comment, so we're in agreement there. I am somehow doubting Skinner waives to go anywhere but a contender. Simply put a contender doesn't want him unless he's 50% retained. At $4.5m he'd probably get a small return, but we'd be robbing peter to pay paul, so to speak.
- QuinnFan

if you pay half of skinners contract to play elsewhere

are you going to get a better scorer for the next few years with the 4.5 mil in savings than what skinner himself will put up?

if you pay half of skinners contract to play elsewhere

are you going to get a better scorer for the next few years with the 4.5 mil in savings than what skinner himself will put up?
- homiedclown

I think The idea would be to probably bring in an ELC of one of the 6000 prospects. whether they can fill the void would remain to be seen.

The real concern for me is not unloading Jeff Skinner by 7/1/25.
- TheSabresTaco

No clue what they are thinking, or the budget implications. They are acting like a cash strapped organization.

I think The idea would be to probably bring in an ELC of one of the 6000 prospects. whether they can fill the void would remain to be seen.
- ImThatGuy

so girgens, jost and savoie instead of 2024 1st round pick, skinner, savoie and kulich?