some comments from Devils and Nucks fans on a Sens Reddit about green

"As a Devils fan, please have him, holy (frank). You'd be doing us all a favour."

6d ago
We couldn't wait for him to GTFO out of Vancouver too. Lol

"I have no idea how he keeps getting jobs or consideration for jobs. He's never even come close to succeeding at the NHL level.

He was so (frank)ing bad for us Devil's fans"

"Jesus Christ, he is one of the worst coaches in modern NHL"

Sens brass getting obliterated on another Sens baord i found.

"ottawa no what are you doing"

3h ago
I have no (frank)ing clue lmao

Andlauer has come in saying “best in class best in class” and this guy is probably the worst out of the NHL experienced and non-experienced candidates. This makes no sense.
- Mithos

100%. Best in class. Actions speak louder and they think we're going to be patient?

We haven't seen playoffs in 7 F'ing years!

Travis Green (as a player)

After his rookie season making the second round, 14 years in the NHL, only 6 times he saw the playoffs. Of those 6x, only 1 time made past round 1. Never made cup finals. 3x in his career he scored more than 40 points. No Selke trophies like Rod the Bod.

Travis Green (as a coach)

Wins championship in WHL with Portland Winterhawks in 2013. Goes to finals in 2015 in the AHL with Utica Comets, losses (perfect). Makes round 1 next year then playoffs done for that team. In 2017 hired for FIRST NHL job with Vancouver. Misses playoffs. Following year misses playoffs (only 4 more wins). Following year is a good year, make playoffs, win a round. Guy's picking up steam right? Think again. Finishes in 2021, LAST in the Canadian division. Even 1 point lower than the garbage Sens team. Fired right? No. Let's bring him back to Vancouver.

So 2021-22, first 25 games, this guy wins how much.....drumroll.... 8 wins! 8 mother*****ing wins in 25 games!? Gets fired. Then some miracle, he gets hired by a great NJD team, as associate. Takes over as interim head coach this year. In 21 games, he has how many wins? 8. Awesome. This guy loves 8.

What a horrible horrible hiring man. This guy better do a lot of coaching training this summer

If Travis Green is indeed hired as the coach ..... who does he have incriminating pictures of?
I don't understand this hire at all. What possible qualifications does he purport to have? As an assistant coach, okay. As head coach ..... no.

I can't believe they haven't found anyone better. I'd rather have newbies like John Gruden or Jay McKee as head coaches .... Green as assistant.


Hey ... maybe nobody else (McLellan, Evason, etc.) wanted the job.

If Travis Green is indeed hired as the coach ..... who does he have incriminating pictures of?
I don't understand this hire at all. What possible qualifications does he purport to have? As an assistant coach, okay. As head coach ..... no.

I can't believe they haven't found anyone better. I'd rather have newbies like John Gruden or Jay McKee as head coaches .... Green as assistant.


Hey ... maybe nobody else (McLellan, Evason, etc.) wanted the job.
- OttawaB

I have a hard time believing that coaches didn't want to come here. Perhaps they wanted to wait but hiring your coach now is stupid. Hire the coach around the draft, or make sure the guy you get A LOT Of teams wanted. I doubt Travis Green is a name many wanted

Coaches are never as important as the players that you put on the ice. Legendary Scottie Bowman coached the Montreal Canadians when they had the benefit of drafting the top two French speaking players each draft cycle. Guy LaFleur struggled as a rookie and for the better part of his first three seasons. Bowman was hard of him and he struggled with his confidence. His game finally improved when a veteran player told him to just tune out Scottie and do his own thing when it was game day.

https://torontosun.com/sp...es-of-special-guy-lafleur

Ottawa fans are not very good. We don't even have a coached named and folks are already all over him as being a loser.

And, some folks are speculating why coaches might not come to Ottawa.

Maybe we might need to look in the mirror.

100%. Best in class. Actions speak louder and they think we're going to be patient?

We haven't seen playoffs in 7 F'ing years!
- AlfieisKing

Sympathies from Devils fans to all Sens fans on this hiring.

And a hearty thank you to Sens management for ensuring Green won't be back in NJ. I'd be pissed off if he came back to NJ

Hmm, maybe Andlauer/Staios want to blow up the team, but they need justification.

Coaches are never as important as the players that you put on the ice. Legendary Scottie Bowman coached the Montreal Canadians when they had the benefit of drafting the top two French speaking players each draft cycle. Guy LaFleur struggled as a rookie and for the better part of his first three seasons. Bowman was hard of him and he struggled with his confidence. His game finally improved when a veteran player told him to just tune out Scottie and do his own thing when it was game day.

https://torontosun.com/sp...es-of-special-guy-lafleur

Ottawa fans are not very good. We don't even have a coached named and folks are already all over him as being a loser.

And, some folks are speculating why coaches might not come to Ottawa.

Maybe we might need to look in the mirror.
- spatso

That's one tall horse. We can only gauge our reactions based off what we know. Example: If Andlauer had signed Mike Millbury as our GM, fans would justifiably be up in arms based on the man's track record. After shunting a player's ally coach for half a decade of treading water, we have now hired a coach who looks very similar on paper. A losing record coach whose locker room in Vancouver was described as a 'country club'. Hindsight is 20/20, but to suggest we don't have the prerogative as fans to react negatively to this signing? C'mon spats, I get you like to pontificate but numbers: the actual empirical results on paper that Green has produced look very similar to what we just got rid of. Not confidence inspiring, to say the least. We can only pray he produces a different output moving forward, but we have 4 full seasons of games coached to reflect on. It's not hyperbole, or negative Nancy whingeing - it's predicated on a healthy sample size of recorded stats, player, media and fan feedback.

Coaches are never as important as the players that you put on the ice. Legendary Scottie Bowman coached the Montreal Canadians when they had the benefit of drafting the top two French speaking players each draft cycle. Guy LaFleur struggled as a rookie and for the better part of his first three seasons. Bowman was hard of him and he struggled with his confidence. His game finally improved when a veteran player told him to just tune out Scottie and do his own thing when it was game day.

https://torontosun.com/sp...es-of-special-guy-lafleur

Ottawa fans are not very good. We don't even have a coached named and folks are already all over him as being a loser.

And, some folks are speculating why coaches might not come to Ottawa.

Maybe we might need to look in the mirror.
- spatso

I want you to guess how many goals Jack Eichel and Taylor Hall combined for under Ralph Krueger in 2020 (58 man games)

If you guessed 4, you'd be correct.

I am sorry the new boss is the same as the old boss.

What a horrible horrible hiring man. This guy better do a lot of coaching training this summer
- AlfieisKing

Yeah, I don't get this hire either. Oh, and we signed him for FOUR years, no less.

You think maybe he'll be flanked by Martin and Alfie to help him out? I mean, if those two have enough of a say, things might work out OK.

I don't know anything about Green, much like most fans pretending he is the worst coach in the history of the NHL
The timing of it bothers me though. Smith was fired in Dec as it? what the f*ck was management doing since then. Just seems like there is way more NHL coaching vacancies then they anticipated and signed Green just to have a warm body behind the bench before everyone is gone. Hope I'm wrong.

I was good with the Staios and Poulin hirings. Both seemed like solid moves. Also liked bringing in Jacques Martin as the interim coach to allow for player assessment under a known capable coach. Hiring Travis Green as the new head coach is not a move that inspires confidence. Hopefully I am proven wrong.

I don't know anything about Green, much like most fans pretending he is the worst coach in the history of the NHL
The timing of it bothers me though. Smith was fired in Dec as it? what the f*ck was management doing since then. Just seems like there is way more NHL coaching vacancies then they anticipated and signed Green just to have a warm body behind the bench before everyone is gone. Hope I'm wrong.
- Brandon

Insiders have always said Paul Maurice is a great coach. Leaf fans came to hate him and the media agreed. Winnipeg played well under Maurice but struggled in the playoffs. Maurice took some time off rather than go back to Winnipeg.

In Florida, he is now regarded as one of the best coaches in the league. Clearly there are folks in Toronto and Winnipeg that thought Maurice was a good coach.

A good jockey might get you a win every once in awhile. A good trainer might get a little better performance. But good jockeys and great trainers are pretty common. It is the horse that matters.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vi...his-is-a-good-fit~2917515

Have not tried the lottery simulator for awhile. So, in honour of the day I tried just one pull and we were pleased:


PICK TEAM GP RECORD PTS PT% RW STREAK L10 ODDS #1 OVR
16

Ottawa
82 37-41-4 78 .476 25 Won 1 5-5-0 6.5% 6.5%
21

San Jose
82 19-54-9 47 .287 14 Lost 3 3-6-1 18.5% 25.5%
31

Chicago
82 23-53-6 52 .317 17 Lost 6 2-7-1 13.5% 13.5%
41

Anaheim
82 27-50-5 59 .360 21 Won 1 3-6-1 11.5% 11.5%
51

Columbus
82 27-43-12 66 .402 21 Won 1 4-6-0 9.5% 9.5%
61

Montreal
82 30-36-16 76 .463 20 Lost 4 2-4-4 8.5% 8.5%
71

Arizona
82 36-41-5 77 .470 28 Won 1 6-4-0 7.5% 7.5%
8

Yeah, I don't get this hire either. Oh, and we signed him for FOUR years, no less.

You think maybe he'll be flanked by Martin and Alfie to help him out? I mean, if those two have enough of a say, things might work out OK.
- Panzer_IVA

The 4-year deal is perplexing to me. Long deal for a relatively unproven coach. Sort of like the Dorion signings in the past where he had to add more years just to entice players to sign in Ottawa.

I am willing to sit back and see what happens but hard to argue that it’s an uninspiring move from a fans perspective.

I do think Green will bring some “seriousness” to the team. He’s notorious for hard training camps and practices. Should be good for the players. I am not sure how the game plans will unfold. Will be interesting to see how the assistant coaching staff pans out.

Either way, coaching is sorted for the most part. Time to move onto roster adjustments, which there should be a few moves in store. This is arguably more important. I will be severely disappointed if come October 2024, we have more or less the same roster but with a new coach.

OK silver linings, 1: Travis Green actually played hockey and was pretty good at it. So many current coaches, including our previous coach, were pylon goons in their heyday.

#2, and this is most important: check out Travis Green's sick flow on his HockeyDB picture. This, more than anything I have seen up until now, makes me feel better about the appointment. Absolutely stunning hockey hair.

To see Dregs and Ferraro optimistic is assuring, but I'll believe it when I see it.

I was thinking about the draft and then I read the roster for Team Canada for the Worlds. Yesterday I looking at the US roster with Tkachuck, Pinto and Sanderson.

It is easy to get excited about why the draft is important when you look at all the great young players who are not playing playoff hockey. Veterans teams win Stanley Cups. Young teams, like the Sens, need to be patient.

FORWARDS
AVANTS
Connor Bedard
Michael Bunting
Macklin Celebrini
Dylan Cozens
Adam Fantilli
Ridly Greig
Dylan Guenther
Andrew Mangiapane
Jack McBain
Jared McCann
Dawson Mercer
Brandon Tanev
DEFENCE
DÉFENSEURS
Bowen Byram
Kaiden Guhle
Jamie Oleksiak
Colton Paravko
Owen Power
Damon Severson
Olen Zellweger
GOALTENDERS
GARDIENS DE BUT
Jordan Binnington
Nico Daws
Joel Hofer

After listening to the talking heads of Dreger, Ferarro, and Corrado talk about Travis Green. I'm more willing to give this a chance .... but I still don't understand the process of getting to this point.
I do believe that coach prospects like Berube, Gallant, probably looked and said no to the Sens (maybe their asking prices were too high). I don't really think guys like Sullivan, Brind'Amour, Cooper will ever hit the free market and if they did, I doubt Ottawa would be their first choice. So who does that leave us with as possibilities ... not a lot. I also don't believe that there is any coach out there that would receive mass approval from the fan base.

So, I'm willing to sit back and see who our assistants will be .... Chiarelli will be one of them. But what about Capuano? I think it may be time for him to move on. I figure there will be 2 more assistant coach hirings. Who will they be? I still think that John Gruden could be one of them.

As to the 4 years that Green was given. I don't believe that this is an issue with this particular ownership group, unlike Melnyk. I think they would have no issues with eating a year or 2 if results are disappointing. Green probably gets 2-3 years to get things rolling. And I don't think Green is the same style coach as DJ Smith. Green is much more structured. We'll see how this translates to team play. But eventually it is up to the players to make adjustments. But at least Green has worked with a younger team before, and he has had a relatively long and decent playing career which may translate to these players.

7th pick in the draft. I think the Sens can work with this. There will be good players available, although they may be 2-3 years away from playing in the NHL.

IMO

The reality of the Sens situation is Greene is brought in to bring discipline and accountability, not to win the cup. Ottawa is no where near being a contendor or even a first round out.

They( staois,poulin,martin,andlauer) have assessed and came to that conclusion. We will likely see some big shake ups on ice personel

And we are likely 2 years from seeing the playoffs.

Yup.
I was watching the Ranger Carolina game last night thinking......the Sens couldn't beat either of these teams once, let a long 4/7. Not the way both of them are playing. SO fast.

Yup.
I was watching the Ranger Carolina game last night thinking......the Sens couldn't beat either of these teams once, let a long 4/7. Not the way both of them are playing. SO fast.
- Octavarium

I have been thinking the same way, since game 1 of the playoffs... any series. The Sens cant compete in this , as is.

Lafinierre is looking good. He is making a name for himself. What name has stutzle made for himself? Falls down easy,dives, cry baby.
Same draft, different results. Yes #1 is showing why he was #1.
I think stutzle will become a force but he needs to get stronger physically and emotionally.

I have been thinking the same way, since game 1 of the playoffs... any series. The Sens cant compete in this , as is.

Lafinierre is looking good. He is making a name for himself. What name has stutzle made for himself? Falls down easy,dives, cry baby.
Same draft, different results. Yes #1 is showing why he was #1.
I think stutzle will become a force but he needs to get stronger physically and emotionally.
- spazzbot

Lafrenierre has never been targeted like Stutzle has. It is one thing to be the 6th best forward on a highly talented roster. It is something very different when you are identified as the best player on your team and opposing teams set up for every game by making it a priority to shut you down.

Yup.
I was watching the Ranger Carolina game last night thinking......the Sens couldn't beat either of these teams once, let a long 4/7. Not the way both of them are playing. SO fast.
- Octavarium

I think this is the basic issue. So many people think a better coach is needed to get us to the promised land.

But, it will not work if your horse isn't fast enough.

Lafrenierre has never been targeted like Stutzle has. It is one thing to be the 6th best forward on a highly talented roster. It is something very different when you are identified as the best player on your team and opposing teams set up for every game by making it a priority to shut you down.
- spatso

I cant say for sure lafinierre has been a target but i am sure he gets loads of attention being a top 6, stutzle has been on the 2nd line for most of the past season as well. So the comparison is quite fair at looking at where they are. Lafrineire seems to be more well rounded overall.
Albeit on a better constructed team atm.
Its not hating on stutzle, its looking at objectively.
I am sure he will become a force, once he developes more. That was a luxury lafrienere did have