Who do you think that is?
- Chief4Feathers

I think it's Eiserman he fits their MO, he can skate, is a gym rat, has no problem with contact, competes, oh and it sounds like his shot is better than Bedards.

Assuming he's telling the truth, the Hawks see a Tier one with two players, or a Tier 2 with one. Otherwise, the 2nd pick is not a "very big win" over #3.

All we need to do is figger out who that 2nd player is on their list.
- mohel

Obviously #1 would have been the best outcome, but at least the Hawks have first dibs on the best of the rest. KD will get the player he wants.

There's #56 doing what he does, being a spectator

There's #56 doing what he does, being a spectator
- BetweenTheDots

Magic Gus - staying on brand.

So, any youse fellas on the board who want that second overall to be a defenseman, the first defender picked, please tell me which one deserves taht honor, because I am not sure I can tell since they are so different.
You want Artyom Levshunov? he plays very soon and complicates the hawks corp if he leap frogs the farm team.

Or do you like the future strengths of the rest of the rearguard pack's rare upsides?

You ready to determine which kid can project as a better future top 4 defender of the kids already in Chicago?

No daydreams for Celebrini, playing with his Vancouver mate.

And no more daydreams for me of Bedard playing with his couisn or Porter Matone....
- wiz1901

Yes Wiz,

I go with Zeev Buium. That kid is a fluid skater with the puck, and plays responsibly in all three zones. How he pressures the puck in the d-zone really stood out to me.

Plus, he will be the quarterback of the power play for whoever drafts him - something we haven't had here in a long time.

Obviously #1 would have been the best outcome, but at least the Hawks have first dibs on the best of the rest. KD will get the player he wants.
- DarthKane

Who is the best hockey player in this draft after Celebrini? That should be the choice - regardless of playing position, current team needs or nationality.

That said, no more 160 lb forwards please. Is there a big nasty defenceman with Viktor Hedman aize and skill available among this group of kids?

Who is the best hockey player in this draft after Celebrini? That should be the choice - regardless of playing position, current team needs or nationality.

That said, no more 160 lb forwards please. Is there a big nasty defenceman with Viktor Hedman aize and skill available among this group of kids?
- RickJ

Then you probably want Levshunov. He has the most size and nasty of the top ten prospects.

Kreider ties it at 3-3.

I think I want a meat-and-potatoes, old school eastern conference final of NYR vs BOS.

I hear you. If the Hawks have any worries about Demidov coming to North America after they’ve done their due deligence then pick Levshunov. If there are no concerns then pick Demidov at #2 and don’t look back. I’m not worried about Demidov playing one more season in Russia. Besides Celebrini, I doubt any players drafted in 2024 play in the NHL next season.

Plus, #11 will be free after Raddysh isn’t re-signed. It’s perfect. 😉
- DarthKane

Im on the fench with Demidov. I watched some more highlights and watched what wiz pointed out the edge work. #2 is gonna keep us all guessing for weeks. I'm guessing Raddysh due to his relationship with Bedard gets a show me contract.

Kreider ties it at 3-3.

I think I want a meat-and-potatoes, old school eastern conference final of NYR vs BOS.
- Chief4Feathers

Boston looked really good last night. A Original 6 East final would be fun!

There is a you tube link embedded in the site below. Pat Boyle and Romeolitis interviewing KD tonight after the lottery.

https://twitter.com/CRoum...amp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Obviously #1 would have been the best outcome, but at least the Hawks have first dibs on the best of the rest. KD will get the player he wants.
- DarthKane

I'm really excited to see what he pulls off. I don't think i've felt this confident in a Hawks GM in all my years of being a fan.

I’m leaning toward Levshunov. Like his game and he’s already in the US - so no risk in the pick.
- Chief4Feathers

I think with a lot of these kids who "project" it's the off ice stuff that I think you need to look at.

I think when you look at a kid like Eiserman who has a plus skill, the shot is really something special, and as an 18 year old he has his diet and off ice program dialed in enough to already have a NHL build. Lidstrom is similar. Turned 18 this year, skates very well, has a nice shot and an NHL build at that age. There's no filling out there - it's just adding raw strength.

Those kids who have their diet and programs figured out at that stage I think shows a special level of dedication where they're going to have success as professionals because they already have the habits.

I think that Levshunov sits in that same category. There won't be a culture shock since it looks like he's assimilated. The Powers article on the athletic was great. The kid isn't a moron and actually goes to class (3.7 GPA - it's Michigan state fwiw but thats probably not the norm for hockey players). Goes to church with an older lady in the community. Apparently is out and at basketball games with friends. So he's not some weird nerd that sits in his room and plays video games or is 100% hockey all of the time. Probably a guy you want for locker room culture.

I think there's a lot there to like. Oh and he has a NHL build today and a lot of raw ability and power.

That is probably a player that slots Jones more appropriately in more low leverage situations in 3ish years. If Rinzel pans out the worst case is 2A and 2B. With Korch and Vlasic on the other side it could be a very mobile, big and dangerous blue line kinda like Vegas.

Anyway, it's another tough player to pass on.

2nd is okay by me.
- boilermaker100

I called it before the season started!

I think with a lot of these kids who "project" it's the off ice stuff that I think you need to look at.

I think when you look at a kid like Eiserman who has a plus skill, the shot is really something special, and as an 18 year old he has his diet and off ice program dialed in enough to already have a NHL build. Lidstrom is similar. Turned 18 this year, skates very well, has a nice shot and an NHL build at that age. There's no filling out there - it's just adding raw strength.

Those kids who have their diet and programs figured out at that stage I think shows a special level of dedication where they're going to have success as professionals because they already have the habits.

I think that Levshunov sits in that same category. There won't be a culture shock since it looks like he's assimilated. The Powers article on the athletic was great. The kid isn't a moron and actually goes to class (3.7 GPA - it's Michigan state fwiw but thats probably not the norm for hockey players). Goes to church with an older lady in the community. Apparently is out and at basketball games with friends. So he's not some weird nerd that sits in his room and plays video games or is 100% hockey all of the time. Probably a guy you want for locker room culture.

I think there's a lot there to like. Oh and he has a NHL build today and a lot of raw ability and power.

That is probably a player that slots Jones more appropriately in more low leverage situations in 3ish years. If Rinzel pans out the worst case is 2A and 2B. With Korch and Vlasic on the other side it could be a very mobile, big and dangerous blue line kinda like Vegas.

Anyway, it's another tough player to pass on.
- fattybeef

I've read a few articles that have speculated on the Hawks trading Seth Jones to Toronto for Mitch Marner.

Any takers?

So, any youse fellas on the board who want that second overall to be a defenseman, the first defender picked, please tell me which one deserves taht honor, because I am not sure I can tell since they are so different.
You want Artyom Levshunov? he plays very soon and complicates the hawks corp if he leap frogs the farm team.

Or do you like the future strengths of the rest of the rearguard pack's rare upsides?

You ready to determine which kid can project as a better future top 4 defender of the kids already in Chicago?

No daydreams for Celebrini, playing with his Vancouver mate.

And no more daydreams for me of Bedard playing with his couisn or Porter Matone....
- wiz1901

I want the one who plays like Hedman only better.

Who is the best hockey player in this draft after Celebrini? That should be the choice - regardless of playing position, current team needs or nationality.

That said, no more 160 lb forwards please. Is there a big nasty defenceman with Viktor Hedman aize and skill available among this group of kids?
- RickJ

I 2nd that 👦.

I've read a few articles that have speculated on the Hawks trading Seth Jones to Toronto for Mitch Marner.

Any takers?
- dahawks8819

Fills a need for Toronto. At face value doesn't make the Hawks more competitive which they've said is a priority this year.

Plus I don't know that he would waive to go to Toronto and get poop on even more than he does in Chicago.

Utah or Seattle make some sense. Ottawa maybe. Those teams a package around their top ten pick this year maybe makes eating another lottery year easier. Say they walk away with Levshunov, Catton and Hage - I think they still need to add a hall insurance policy but that sure makes eating another bad year palatable and Wiz's dream can come true of getting Bedards cousin next year.

Fills a need for Toronto. At face value doesn't make the Hawks more competitive which they've said is a priority this year.

Plus I don't know that he would waive to go to Toronto and get poop on even more than he does in Chicago.

Utah or Seattle make some sense. Ottawa maybe. Those teams a package around their top ten pick this year maybe makes eating another lottery year easier. Say they walk away with Levshunov, Catton and Hage - I think they still need to add a hall insurance policy but that sure makes eating another bad year palatable and Wiz's dream can come true of getting Bedards cousin next year.
- fattybeef

He's 2 years away. Only 16

Fills a need for Toronto. At face value doesn't make the Hawks more competitive which they've said is a priority this year.

Plus I don't know that he would waive to go to Toronto and get poop on even more than he does in Chicago.

Utah or Seattle make some sense. Ottawa maybe. Those teams a package around their top ten pick this year maybe makes eating another lottery year easier. Say they walk away with Levshunov, Catton and Hage - I think they still need to add a hall insurance policy but that sure makes eating another bad year palatable and Wiz's dream can come true of getting Bedards cousin next year.
- fattybeef

Plus IMO Marner only waives to come to the Hawks if he signs an extension. KD isn’t going to do that.

I've read a few articles that have speculated on the Hawks trading Seth Jones to Toronto for Mitch Marner.

Any takers?
- dahawks8819

Only to flip Marner in short order - f*ck that lavender sniffer and all of the TOR fans who defend him.

I think it's Eiserman he fits their MO, he can skate, is a gym rat, has no problem with contact, competes, oh and it sounds like his shot is better than Bedards.
- BetweenTheDots

I think it is dangerous to look at Draft Prospects lists and think that
Artyom Levshunov

and

Ivan Demidov

are perch atop the majority pof the team's lists as the second best players you can draft for your team.

Did you see Artyom Levshunov at Michigan State look like a dominant player against college players?
Could you say he looked as dominat as Owen Powers?
(Powers at 20, has already signed a 7yr over six million dollar contract to go along with the Sabres signing of dahlin for 11 million for 8 years...)


Levshunov is not necessarily an attacking defenseman, as an opportunistic one, so it may be difficult to gauge this part of his game as a pro, especially early on.

On to Demidov:

He scored 2 points per game...in the 30 games he played in what league?

The MHL - and it was terriifc 2nd in the MHL is scoring in 30 games.

He hasn't scored a point in the KHL.
He played 3 games.
Unfortunately the lack of international games mutes most opinions if you cannot see the goods next to the other goods, so to speak.

Does the fact someone here mentioned his contract deal with SKA-1946 and St. Petersburg is one he "can get out of" change anything?
Well Nikita Kucherov playsed maybe 20 games in the KHL before he was 2o.
and spent an entire season of his 20 birthday playing the the QMJHL, and then playing with both Syracuse and Tampa Bay at 21

So I guess the plan is if he escapes his contract that was suppose to keep him there until next season is over 2025 and you find a team to in the CHL to draft him and he plays North Amercian hockey developing there.

My point is he isn't going to Celebrini himself into the bigs in his draft year, and how he helps the Blackhawks is for you to determine.

Without looking at a draft list, I think Kyle from Chicago will draft a defenseman if there is a high charactered kid who simply is an eventual top pair kid. (That's what they did with KK right? And that was based on couting that said his strengths were high end skating speed and the vision to pass the puck extremely well. He didn't have it "all"but enough to call his name and see where he can elevate when the pro games stop looking like a foriegn language in his translations.)

I think Kyle from Chicago knows he needs a dominant scorer.

I think Kyle knows he wants size too.

and I don't think that Kyle was going to say, "we are totally disappointed we are going second b/c we won't get Celebrini,
or

We love picking the second player because we have no reservations at being unable to win draft lotteries in either 2024, 2025, 2026, becasue the forwards in thsi 2024 crop are just as good.

I wonder how Bettman would handle a 2025 draft where Porter Martone gets taken by a team and then is traded to the Blackhawks, a clear circumvention of the draft rules...
I guess they will have to hold back in that tarde until 2025 training camps start.

I wonder if San Jose would will gauge Macklin's enthusiasm (or lack thereof) and take a pass.
Nah, Get over it now!, Wiz

I think it is dangerous to look at Draft Prospects lists and think that
Artyom Levshunov

and

Ivan Demidov

are perch atop the majority pof the team's lists as the second best players you can draft for your team.

Did you see Artyom Levshunov at Michigan State look like a dominant player against college players?
Could you say he looked as dominat as Owen Powers?
(Powers at 20, has already signed a 7yr over six million dollar contract to go along with the Sabres signing of dahlin for 11 million for 8 years...)


Levshunov is not necessarily an attacking defenseman, as an opportunistic one, so it may be difficult to gauge this part of his game as a pro, especially early on.

On to Demidov:

He scored 2 points per game...in the 30 games he played in what league?

The MHL - and it was terriifc 2nd in the MHL is scoring in 30 games.

He hasn't scored a point in the KHL.
He played 3 games.
Unfortunately the lack of international games mutes most opinions if you cannot see the goods next to the other goods, so to speak.

Does the fact someone here mentioned his contract deal with SKA-1946 and St. Petersburg is one he "can get out of" change anything?
Well Nikita Kucherov playsed maybe 20 games in the KHL before he was 2o.
and spent an entire season of his 20 birthday playing the the QMJHL, and then playing with both Syracuse and Tampa Bay at 21

So I guess the plan is if he escapes his contract that was suppose to keep him there until next season is over 2025 and you find a team to in the CHL to draft him and he plays North Amercian hockey developing there.

My point is he isn't going to Celebrini himself into the bigs in his draft year, and how he helps the Blackhawks is for you to determine.

Without looking at a draft list, I think Kyle from Chicago will draft a defenseman if there is a high charactered kid who simply is an eventual top pair kid. (That's what they did with KK right? And that was based on couting that said his strengths were high end skating speed and the vision to pass the puck extremely well. He didn't have it "all"but enough to call his name and see where he can elevate when the pro games stop looking like a foriegn language in his translations.)

I think Kyle from Chicago knows he needs a dominant scorer.

I think Kyle knows he wants size too.

and I don't think that Kyle was going to say, "we are totally disappointed we are going second b/c we won't get Celebrini,
or

We love picking the second player because we have no reservations at being unable to win draft lotteries in either 2024, 2025, 2026, becasue the forwards in thsi 2024 crop are just as good.

I wonder how Bettman would handle a 2025 draft where Porter Martone gets taken by a team and then is traded to the Blackhawks, a clear circumvention of the draft rules...
I guess they will have to hold back in that tarde until 2025 training camps start.

I wonder if San Jose would will gauge Macklin's enthusiasm (or lack thereof) and take a pass.
Nah, Get over it now!, Wiz
- wiz1901

Draft skill at #2 and size at #20.

Draft skill at #2 and size at #20.
- DarthKane

We can easily get a Perlini, Hayden or Quenville type at 20.

So close. Not one team moved in the draft order.
- breadbag

First time since 2010