Utah or Nashville

Utah would probably back pay the most.

NSH has the cap and is a pretty fantastic place to play.
- Santo_44

The return of Leaf legend Alex Kerfoot!

They're going to ask.
- fifty__missions

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They will ask Marner but Not JT i think

He is still an effective center defensively; he was still very good up against Pasta's line in the series, as besides the game-winner, Pasta was invisible to the point that his coach called him out on it.

JT has always been slow, and I'd say his footspeed has actually improved since he's been here, but that doesn't affect his ability to dig pucks out of the corner and move it out; he's probably better than Kampf at that.

He's nowhere near an 11M player, but JT on a team-friendly 4x4 contract as our 3C would be fine.
- gravyface

It's time to turn the page. You can get other defensively responsible players to play 3C that are faster and play with an edge.

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They will ask Marner but Not JT i think
- Azuredoom

Agreed.

At least I hope so.

The return of Leaf legend Alex Kerfoot!
- Whipper

It was either CJ or Lebrun but in the last week one of them said Marner was open to being traded last offseason, at least on the low end of the scale.

There were 8 games total in the entire 1st round where the winning team scored less than 3 goals ( 3 in the Toronto / Boston series, 2 in the Dallas/Vegas series and 3 in the Van/Nashville series).

8 of 44 games played so less than 20% (it's 18 and change%).

So far in round 2 there have been zero but it's early.

So yes the Leafs need to fill holes on D and look at changes and it sure would be nice to get that true #1 stud D to let Reilly play where he should as the 2/3 D guy.

Sure every team wants an amazing playoff stud goalie but look at what some of those cost and where it got their teams / and several of these teams / goalies are ones people here keep begging to make a Leaf - Nashville and Saros out in round 1, Winnipeg and Helly out in round 1, Vasi and Tampa out in round 1, Vegas and recent cup winner Hill out in round 1 and NYI out in round 1 with goalies I have read here are loads better than Sammy.

The main reason the Leafs lost was not due to goaltending they lost because they simply didn't or can't score enough in the playoffs.

AGAIN.

I don't care if Woll had played all the games there is no way they win 4 of 7 games scoring 2 or less goals.

PP what was running at a laughable 4.8% tells a huge story here also.

They went from 24% in the regular season (7th best overall) to under 5%. How the faaak does that even happen?

Perhaps the smallish winger who is really / often the guy looked to to set up the PP changes come playoff time to the point of causing total disarray to the PP.

Marner is a player who is an incredible playmaker with great vision etc. during the regular season but just can't do it during the playoffs for a variety of reasons. IMO some of those reasons include but are not limited to him not being willing to take or throw a hit to save his life and not being able to operate under duress or when his time/space is limited and perhaps also just not being able to ratchet his mental game up when the playoff pressure comes?

Yes no Willy for 3 games and an AM that was a shell of himself when he was in the lineup due to illness and injury also were large contributing factors in the lack of PP success but this team with this talent simply didn't adjust.

Is that coaching? Yep to some degree and I would like to see the entire coaching staff replaced but it's also up to the players to adjust and the didn't or couldn't or both.

And before anyone (ok one person) jumps in to claim I'm bullying Bytch Marner because "he is da' best, he has the most playoff points of all the Leafs" - yep he sure racked up those assists playing almost all 1st line playoff minutes and PP1 reaping the benefits of the other guys scoring.

Nylander has nearly double the # of goals in the playoffs (20 vs 11) career wise over Marner in 3 less games and has played almost all his playoff time on the 2nd line.

Christ this year both had 3 points in the playoffs - the difference is Marner played all 7 games Willy played in 3.

Playoff Willy > Playoff Mitch and it's not even close.




Zero threat from the point on the PP continues to kill this team - they need a guy with a cannon back there so make it happen Tre.

I could care less about Marner's inability to choose the right words or put them in the right order (he didn't call himself a god FFS he was actually trying to acknowledge the support the players get from the fans and just did a poopty job of it because words are hard for him it seems lol) BUT his inability to perform in playoffs is super concerning and why I would move on from him (over AM, Willy or JT) as one piece of that core needs to go IMO.

Marner won't waive his NMC and I don't know they will even ask him to - he may just be allowed to walk in UFA and quite honestly I'm ok with that as they will gain his 11M and JT's 11M and then have lost of money to use better to spread out the cap distribution and roster.

This is for a laugh (kinda') but if Mitch is such a team guy and loves the Leafs so much why doesn't he just take an extension where he is underpaid as a prove me deal for a year or 2?

Say 6.9M for a year or 2.....we can call it the "William Nylander show me and then get overpaid by a Mill or 2 for long term" deal. (although the overpaid piece for Marner needs an AGAIN after it since he was overpaid on his current deal)

If the story came out that the Leafs approached Marner to move, and he resisted, and he came out to play next season, he's getting booed. All season. No question. And that story will get out. Mitch knows this.
- fifty__missions

Not at all if he lights it up during the reg season.

I saw this yesterday and didnt double check, but its hard to actually believe.

Marner

Since the ‘19 playoffs the Leafs have played 16 game 5, 6 and 7s combined throughout all their postseason series.

0 goals
5 assists (3 primary)
0 points in 47(!) PP minutes

I saw this yesterday and didnt double check, but its hard to actually believe.

Marner




- senstroll

Mitch (and Paul and Bonnie) like cake. The 8th year is an extra 12M. He's gonna want it.
- fifty__missions

That’s very possible.

I saw this yesterday and didnt double check, but its hard to actually believe.

Marner




- senstroll

I don't think it's controversial at all to say that Marner is not, and may never be a big game playoff performer. When the going gets tough, Marner never gets going.

I saw this yesterday and didnt double check, but its hard to actually believe.

Marner




- senstroll

I'm not sure I'd say it's hard to believe because most of us have watched it but it sure is hard to see and hard to defend him as some great playoff contributor but we know some will.....

It tells the story of playoff Marner though.

That’s very possible.
- Canada Cup

They used to take Willy off PP1 sometimes. They would always give Marner the opportunities.

If leafs tell Mitch they are moving on from him regardless of if he accepts a trade he has to know he doesn't get those same opportunities at the same rate he has in his career here. They will prepare for life without Mitch Marner and that doesn't help Mitch Marner.

IF they decide this I really think they can work together to move on from each other this offseason.

Weird that Matthews is a finalist for the MVP award voted on by players but not the one voted on by writers

That’s very possible.
- Canada Cup

I think the feeling may be mutual in the Leafs-Marner relationship that its time for a change. There are multiple observers, including Ray Ferraro, who is a pretty straight shooter, who basically said Marner looked disinterested and disengaged. The boys had Mitch's back on Monday, but don't forget that exchange on the bench in game 4. "Stop (frank)ing crying, bud. This isn't juniors" isn't a comment that you throw at someone as a one off.

I don't think it's controversial at all to say that Marner is not, and may never be a big game playoff performer. When the going gets tough, Marner never gets going.
- Whipper

I think he figures it out on another team that doesn't have the media circus that is Toronto.

That is irrelevant to the Leafs though.

There were 8 games total in the entire 1st round where the winning team scored less than 3 goals ( 3 in the Toronto / Boston series, 2 in the Dallas/Vegas series and 3 in the Van/Nashville series).

8 of 44 games played so less than 20% (it's 18 and change%).

So far in round 2 there have been zero but it's early.

So yes the Leafs need to fill holes on D and look at changes and it sure would be nice to get that true #1 stud D to let Reilly play where he should as the 2/3 D guy.

Sure every team wants an amazing playoff stud goalie but look at what some of those cost and where it got their teams / and several of these teams / goalies are ones people here keep begging to make a Leaf - Nashville and Saros out in round 1, Winnipeg and Helly out in round 1, Vasi and Tampa out in round 1, Vegas and recent cup winner Hill out in round 1 and NYI out in round 1 with goalies I have read here are loads better than Sammy.

The main reason the Leafs lost was not due to goaltending they lost because they simply didn't or can't score enough in the playoffs.

AGAIN.

I don't care if Woll had played all the games there is no way they win 4 of 7 games scoring 2 or less goals.

PP what was running at a laughable 4.8% tells a huge story here also.

They went from 24% in the regular season (7th best overall) to under 5%. How the faaak does that even happen?

Perhaps the smallish winger who is really / often the guy looked to to set up the PP changes come playoff time to the point of causing total disarray to the PP.

Marner is a player who is an incredible playmaker with great vision etc. during the regular season but just can't do it during the playoffs for a variety of reasons. IMO some of those reasons include but are not limited to him not being willing to take or throw a hit to save his life and not being able to operate under duress or when his time/space is limited and perhaps also just not being able to ratchet his mental game up when the playoff pressure comes?

Yes no Willy for 3 games and an AM that was a shell of himself when he was in the lineup due to illness and injury also were large contributing factors in the lack of PP success but this team with this talent simply didn't adjust.

Is that coaching? Yep to some degree and I would like to see the entire coaching staff replaced but it's also up to the players to adjust and the didn't or couldn't or both.

And before anyone (ok one person) jumps in to claim I'm bullying female dog Marner because "he is da' best, he has the most playoff points of all the Leafs" - yep he sure racked up those assists playing almost all 1st line playoff minutes and PP1 reaping the benefits of the other guys scoring.

Nylander has nearly double the # of goals in the playoffs (20 vs 11) career wise over Marner in 3 less games and has played almost all his playoff time on the 2nd line.

Christ this year both had 3 points in the playoffs - the difference is Marner played all 7 games Willy played in 3.

Playoff Willy > Playoff Mitch and it's not even close.




Zero threat from the point on the PP continues to kill this team - they need a guy with a cannon back there so make it happen Tre.

I could care less about Marner's inability to choose the right words or put them in the right order (he didn't call himself a god FFS he was actually trying to acknowledge the support the players get from the fans and just did a poopty job of it because words are hard for him it seems lol) BUT his inability to perform in playoffs is super concerning and why I would move on from him (over AM, Willy or JT) as one piece of that core needs to go IMO.

Marner won't waive his NMC and I don't know they will even ask him to - he may just be allowed to walk in UFA and quite honestly I'm ok with that as they will gain his 11M and JT's 11M and then have lost of money to use better to spread out the cap distribution and roster.

This is for a laugh (kinda') but if Mitch is such a team guy and loves the Leafs so much why doesn't he just take an extension where he is underpaid as a prove me deal for a year or 2?

Say 6.9M for a year or 2.....we can call it the "William Nylander show me and then get overpaid by a Mill or 2 for long term" deal. (although the overpaid piece for Marner needs an AGAIN after it since he was overpaid on his current deal)


- Cush29

This has really been bubbling in you for a while eh? Like a steak grilled cheese burrito from taco bell after a cheap beer and tequila night.
But i agree.
Marner and Matthews should have never gotten over 10m on their second deals. Neither deserved that money. But since then, AM has scored like a $3 whore and marner has racked multiple 90 + point seasons and a couple of good playoff rounds (and some bad ones). Still only worth 9.5m. But that falls on dubas mostly.
Ive never been onboard with having 3 guys paid $10m plus, it simply doesnt and hasnt worked cap wise. Again Dubas and shanny's fault, although i do feel like Dubas was gonna move out wille, which was one of the reasons he was canned.
But we now have willie and matthews on overpaid contract extensions and we simply cannot afford to do the same with marner.
So either trade him if he accepts, does a sign and trade at the end of the season or walks for cap space.

I don't think it's controversial at all to say that Marner is not, and may never be a big game playoff performer. When the going gets tough, Marner never gets going.
- Whipper

Agreed.
But neither has Matthews.

Its really only been willie.

Weird that Matthews is a finalist for the MVP award voted on by players but not the one voted on by writers
- Canada Cup

scored 20% more goals than the next player. Selke finalist...great all around player (
200ft or wtaevs)


so yeah

scored 20% more goals than the next player. Selke finalist...great all around player (
200ft or wtaevs)


so yeah
- senstroll

But is overpaid apparently. Oh boy send help.

Watching these other series ...I think the biggest difference I see for creating offense is the ability of their d'men to move the puck (skate or pass), to join the rush and then to contribute in the ozone (good shots, cycle, etc..). Our blueline does not do that enough. Some of that could be coaching/style of play but some of that is definitely personel.

We need to find a way to get Rielly back to being a 10+ goal man and we need to find a way to add another top level 2-way guy.

This has really been bubbling in you for a while eh? Like a steak grilled cheese burrito from taco bell after a cheap beer and tequila night.
But i agree.
Marner and Matthews should have never gotten over 10m on their second deals. Neither deserved that money. But since then, AM has scored like a $3 whore and marner has racked multiple 90 + point seasons and a couple of good playoff rounds (and some bad ones). Still only worth 9.5m. But that falls on dubas mostly.
Ive never been onboard with having 3 guys paid $10m plus, it simply doesnt and hasnt worked cap wise. Again Dubas and shanny's fault, although i do feel like Dubas was gonna move out wille, which was one of the reasons he was canned.
But we now have willie and matthews on overpaid contract extensions and we simply cannot afford to do the same with marner.
So either trade him if he accepts, does a sign and trade at the end of the season or walks for cap space.
- Fakepartofme

I have held off on posting since the day of game 7, mostly because I didn't want to post from a position of emotion at so much of the derp that was being posting (also a lot of it probably from the raw emotion of the Leafs being bounced).

I do wonder (and we will probably never really know) what the big move Dubas wanted to make was (if that is true - because who really even knows that) BUT if it was the case I definately see Dubas as the guy who would tie his wagon to Marner over Willy after the Willy last contract fiasco that Dubas probably feels made him look bad.

So maybe we are lucky in that Willy didn't get moved - he sure seems like he is the guy with almost no drop off come playoffs vs Marner who well.....you know.

His pro scouts didnt trade them.
And thats a cop out
- Fakepartofme

Sorry. I forgot, You're the only one allowed to use that cop out.

Watching these other series ...I think the biggest difference I see for creating offense is the ability of their d'men to move the puck (skate or pass), to join the rush and then to contribute in the ozone (good shots, cycle, etc..). Our blueline does not do that enough. Some of that could be coaching/style of play but some of that is definitely personel.

We need to find a way to get Rielly back to being a 10+ goal man and we need to find a way to add another top level 2-way guy.
- The Law

Agreed. And he has to be someone who can quarterback a powerplay. I would love to steal Montour from Florida, tbh.

I have held off on posting since the day of game 7, mostly because I didn't want to post from a position of emotion at so much of the derp that was being posting (also a lot of it probably from the raw emotion of the Leafs being bounced).

I do wonder (and we will probably never really know) what the big move Dubas wanted to make was (if that is true - because who really even knows that) BUT if it was the case I definately see Dubas as the guy who would tie his wagon to Marner over Willy after the Willy last contract fiasco that Dubas probably feels made him look bad.

So maybe we are lucky in that Willy didn't get moved - he sure seems like he is the guy with almost no drop off come playoffs vs Marner who well.....you know.
- Cush29

The reason why I am so frustrated with Marner is because he is so (frank)ing talented and a good player. He is smart and sees the ice well.

But when he absolutely has to play to his capabilities he completely fails.