will the flyers be more hesitant about college players at this time?
- hello it's me 2050

I don't think so.

We speak about how the Flyers need elite talent. So hypothetically @ 12 - Yakemchuk, Eiserman, and Connelly are on the board. Who should be the pick?
- Trox88

Ill be ok with any of them. It makes me hopeful that there could be some difference makers still available at 12.

Daily faceoff actually has the Flyers picking Catton at 12, with Yakemchuk going at 13, and Connelly going at 15. (Eiserman 10th to Devils)

I would take Catton but I cant see him falling to us.

My #1 complaint with Frost is that he seems to let the game come to him too often. He doesn't go out and impose himself as much as I would like to see.

Its not all the time, and when he is going he is doing that often. But when he disappears, he really disappears.

And what I mean by that is not necessarily throwing hits. But looking like he is involved and not just skating in circles. Go get the puck, get your stick on a pass, break up a rush, get a takeaway, force a turnover, create a scoring chance, etc...

He needs to be more consistent (just like everyone else)
- MBFlyerfan

I would personally feel that an expectation of Frost imposing himself on the game is unrealistic. That is a trait of a first line all star players or higher. Frost is one of the top offensive and defensive forwards on the team. When he on the ice, the Flyers score the highest percentage of goals on the team among forwards. His shot quality, puck possession, scoring chances generation is all among the highest on the team. He is the best PP producer on the team. Best player maker and a leader in primary assist rates. One of the best defensive forwards on the team. A player doesn't put up those numbers if he is invisible at the rate that many say he is. All the signed are there that he is a player.

All that being said, I agree I would like him to be a more consistent point producer and not have stretches like he had an the end of the season. A big part of that though is for the coach to stop screwing with him.

It's the same thing that TK and B Schenn went thru.

The same thing that Owen Tippett is going thru.

Ditto Farabee.

Most players never break out of that inconsistency. It's what separates the best from rest.

Door's not closed on Frost, IMO. What he has to do is to make it impossible for Torts to take him out of the lineup. That's his only path to success here. We'll see if it happens.
- Tomahawk

Not sure how he does that.

It's the same thing that TK and B Schenn went thru.

The same thing that Owen Tippett is going thru.

Ditto Farabee.

Most players never break out of that inconsistency. It's what separates the best from rest.

Door's not closed on Frost, IMO. What he has to do is to make it impossible for Torts to take him out of the lineup. That's his only path to success here. We'll see if it happens.
- Tomahawk

I don't think Torts should have taken him out of the lineup. This is a rebuild. Let him play through the good and bad.

I feel like people want Frost to be a player he is not. He will never be a Scott Laughton type.

This is why you build a "roster" and you need to put pieces together. Let Frost be Frost and build around that. Don't try to make him something he is not.

You're right, they do. They're just not capable of accurately assessing the player.
- MJL

everyone can't be an nhl level scout/gm like you cliff.

it is uncanny you do not work for the nhl or an nhl team.

Not sure how he does that.
- mickel25

Walk in the office and scream at Torts every morning?

Or start off hot and never cool off?

I would personally feel that an expectation of Frost imposing himself on the game is unrealistic. That is a trait of a first line all star players or higher. Frost is one of the top offensive and defensive forwards on the team. When he on the ice, the Flyers score the highest percentage of goals on the team among forwards. His shot quality, puck possession, scoring chances generation is all among the highest on the team. He is the best PP producer on the team. Best player maker and a leader in primary assist rates. One of the best defensive forwards on the team. A player doesn't put up those numbers if he is invisible at the rate that many say he is. All the signed are there that he is a player.

All that being said, I agree I would like him to be a more consistent point producer and not have stretches like he had an the end of the season. A big part of that though is for the coach to stop screwing with him.
- MJL

tallest midget. not a great endorsement.

enjoy the frost felatin as it never gets old. What does your dad think of frost?

I don't think Torts should have taken him out of the lineup. This is a rebuild. Let him play through the good and bad.

I feel like people want Frost to be a player he is not. He will never be a Scott Laughton type.

This is why you build a "roster" and you need to put pieces together. Let Frost be Frost and build around that. Don't try to make him something he is not.
- J35Bacher

it is not a rebuild

Don't try to make him something he is not.
- J35Bacher

Walk in the office and scream at Torts every morning?

Or start off hot and never cool off?



- Tomahawk

Didn't he already spend time under Torts' desk?

To me it's more about Torts than it is Frost. I just do not see Torts changing his opinion of Frost. Seems like Brink is headed down a similar road.

Did anyone see Button's mock after the lottery?

He says Demidov is better than Michkov and says the Flyers will pick Jett Luchanko at #12.

Button really hates the Flyers.

it is not a rebuild
- hello it's me 2050

It's a rebuild on the fly, there are more than one single way to perform a rebuild. A scorched earth Arizona type rebuild is not the only way to rebuild. They had two first round picks last year, they've got two this year and they have two next year in 2025.

nope not one. it can never happen. give me fn break with the any examples response.

can you prove it can't happen?
- hello it's me 2050

Surely you can think of one example...

Because I can think of quite a few examples of supremely talented players who played for some of the best coaches in NHL history and even they couldn't help those players learn to give enough (frank)s to come anywhere close to their potential.

It's a rebuild on the fly, there are more than one single way to perform a rebuild. A scorched earth Arizona type rebuild is not the only way to rebuild. They had two first round picks last year, they've got two this year and they have two next year in 2025.
- Dave21Brown

I get where you are coming from but we have been retooling on the fly for a decade and it has been a failure. We need elite talent. If we keep picking in the middle of the pack they are going to need to be extremely lucky. To get elite players you need top draft picks. I am not a fan of the "rebuilding" on the fly. I rather get as many assets as possible why putting yourself in a position to get elite young players.

Didn't he already spend time under Torts' desk?

To me it's more about Torts than it is Frost. I just do not see Torts changing his opinion of Frost. Seems like Brink is headed down a similar road.
- mickel25

Let's put it this way. In the final game of the season. One center was benched after the first period and the other, played almost 19 minutes in the game of a 2-1 loss when the Flyers had to win. Below are the numbers of the season. Guess which center played almost 19 minutes and which one was benched

Center #1. P/60 1.77 CF% 51.35% GF% 56.25% SCF% 54.52%

Center#2 P/60 1.28 CF% 50.23% GF% 43.24% SCF% 50.58%

Did anyone see Button's mock after the lottery?

He says Demidov is better than Michkov and says the Flyers will pick Jett Luchanko at #12.

Button really hates the Flyers.
- MBFlyerfan

At 12!!

It's a rebuild on the fly, there are more than one single way to perform a rebuild. A scorched earth Arizona type rebuild is not the only way to rebuild. They had two first round picks last year, they've got two this year and they have two next year in 2025.
- Dave21Brown

Garbage. It's a recipe for failure and we should all stop watching the team until they start a 10 year rebuild. Sarcasm... haha

The loss of cutter hurts as I mentioned but I am willing to give DB some time and generally like the plan of stockpiling the 1sts.

I get where you are coming from but we have been retooling on the fly for a decade and it has been a failure. We need elite talent. If we keep picking in the middle of the pack they are going to need to be extremely lucky. To get elite players you need top draft picks. I am not a fan of the "rebuilding" on the fly. I rather get as many assets as possible why putting yourself in a position to get elite young players.
- Flyfly

The Flyers are like a contractor you hire to build you a beautiful house. Its looks great at first, but because they cheap out on the materials to pocket more money, the house starts to fall apart way sooner than it should. Then they do a patch job using the same cheap materials. Hide the cracks with some paint, etc etc etc. They end up spending more money than if they just bit the bullet and built it the right way to begin with.

It's a rebuild on the fly, there are more than one single way to perform a rebuild. A scorched earth Arizona type rebuild is not the only way to rebuild. They had two first round picks last year, they've got two this year and they have two next year in 2025.
- Dave21Brown

it is not a rebuild. what the flyers are doing is garbage. they will stay in no mans land continuing to do what they have for the last x amount of years.

At 12!!
- Just5

Yep!

Surely you can think of one example...

Because I can think of quite a few examples of supremely talented players who played for some of the best coaches in NHL history and even they couldn't help those players learn to give enough (frank)s to come anywhere close to their potential.
- Tomahawk

yes some players cant be helped. nothing new there.

so show proof That it can never happen.

Surely you can think of one example...

Because I can think of quite a few examples of supremely talented players who played for some of the best coaches in NHL history and even they couldn't help those players learn to give enough (frank)s to come anywhere close to their potential.
- Tomahawk

Was wondering what your thoughts are on ole Mitch? Does he get dealt? The rumour is he's looking for 8 yrs 12 mil AAV. I think the popular opinion in leafs land right now is that he's the odd man out. I've thought about what it would take to get him but that contract demand is insane. Also, i doubt we're a team he'd want to go to in trade waving his NTC

The Flyers are like a contractor you hire to build you a beautiful house. Its looks great at first, but because they cheap out on the materials to pocket more money, the house starts to fall apart way sooner than it should. Then they do a patch job using the same cheap materials. Hide the cracks with some paint, etc etc etc. They end up spending more money than if they just bit the bullet and built it the right way to begin with.
- MBFlyerfan

The house doesn't even really get built. They just keep showing you beautiful renderings while repouring the foundation wrong over and over again.

Nolan Patrick had a ton of natural talent….sure there was injuries, but he never seemed to have that drive even when he was healthy. I think it matters.
- landros 2

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I didnt see anything elite with Nolan when he was with us, some good qualities, but i wouldnt even say excellent qualities. Made a couple good plays here and there, but thats about it