Question to flames fans about White... I see that he's playing to minutes this game... has he been on your top pairing since the trade?

They don't look like they're very close to winning a Cup now! So yes I can say that. And I can also say that having a top prospect like Sbisa and those two 1st rouond picks would imprve their future prospectus then the current number of draft picks and prospects they have now. That's just common sense.
- MJL

That's a matter of opinion. I think they're a talented team with a fair chance to get into the playoffs and challenge for a Cup. Not that they don't have some issues, but all teams do... the Flyers, despite their problems, have been among the best teams in the league over the past 25 games or so and are thus, in the mix...in the hunt for the Cup...there's no guarantee that this would be the case now, or years into the future, had they not traded for Pronger.

It's absolutely true to say that if they don't win the Cup, it's a bad deal. That's why you make that deal. To put the team over the top. It looks right now like Holmgren miscalculated. We'll see how it plays out.
- MJL

Stealing a series or two doesn't make it a success. You can do that without giving up a large part of your future. Do you get a parade for winning a series or two? LOL
- MJL

If winning the Cup is your only barometer of a trade, than that's true...but I think it's not a simple as that. If the trade helps the team be more competitive than they were or otherwise would have been, if it kept them in the playoffs and increased their chances at a Cup, without overly sacrificing their future competency, then it was a fair/good deal...if they win a Cup then it was a great deal... if they fall out of playoff contention and also suffer in the future due to the lack of assets given up in the deal then it was a really bad deal...we just don't know how to judge it yet...as you say, we'll see how it plays out.


And when I say steal a series or two, I mean that's what will have to happen if they're to win a Cup... win the series' they should win as well as stealing one or two from the caps or whoever, en route to a Cup...get it?

You repeatedly refuse to look at the future situation of this team right now with any clarity. Maybe all your looking for as a fan is to be in the playoff mix, but I'm not. We've been doing that for the most part since 1975. That's a loser mentality. Unless Holmgren can somehow pull some rabbits out of his head and right the mistakes he's made, the future is supsect.
- MJL

I think it's extremely difficult if not impossible for a GM to build a team that will definitely win the Cup. There are so many varibales, that the best you can do is build a team that has a very high probability of being a competitive playoff team and if they're good enough and things go their way, they might win it all. Those trips deep into the playoffs that the Flyers' teams have taken...maybe you take them for granted, but I know that some of those seasons the Flyers were among the top few teams in the league and had a damn good chance to grab a Cup. Injuries to key guys at the worst times played a big role in keeping the Flyers from their goal some will point to other factors...regardless, you have to say that those teams had that bona-fide chance to win it all...the GM and staff did what they had to do to put the team into position to win a Cup...while it's deeply frustrating they came up short, I wouldn't (necessarily) call those teams failures or blame the GM for the fate that befell those teams. Only one team can win a Cup each year...there are 29 other teams that are gunning for it each season. You can't predict which team will win it all based on what they look like on paper (don't we know it)...maybe if you're good, you can pick a group of 5 or 6 teams that will have a legit shot at it....so as a GM, if you feel you're in that group of say, the top 8 teams in the league, and you think you can improve your odds of winning a Cup by adding a big piece, I think you have to do it...put yourself in the mix, in the conversation about a Cup...give your team that opportunity. Holmgren has done that imo.

If this iteration of the team doesn't capitalize and proves to be unsuccessful in achieving their goal to win a Cup over the next 2-3 yrs, then I'm sure they will take whatever measures necessary to rebuild/retool and restock the cupboard etc....they'll have contracts coming off the books and/or will make moves to create cap room as necessary...sure, there will be some tough decisions down the line, but that's just the way it is in this cap world...I'm prepared for that and am ok with what they're doing to try and win now and over the next couple of years.

That's the job of a GM. To look at it and ask yourself, if I make this move and give up so much of the future, am I better than the Pens/Hawks/Sharks?Caps? YOu don't give up that much of your future to improve the team. YOu do it because you think it's the final peice of the puzzle to try and win the Cup. This team doesn't look like a contender. This what your not getting.

- MJL

So, let's say the Flyers kept Luca Sbisa, Lupul and the picks. What would unfold under that scenario that would make the Flyers better poised to win a Cup from Pens/Hawks/Sharks/Caps versus where they are now? If the Flyers wait and wait until they think they'd be better than the Caps and Pens and Hawks they might be waiting a looooong time and it may never come. At some point you have to take a shot. Many pundits believed Holmgren's move for Pronger made them favorites for the Cup. I think maybe even you bought into it too. Turns out they have to play the games before winning the Cup...yeah the Flyers have had their struggles with a new team a new coaching staff, injuries, instability in net...etc. Sometimes seasons can be a rollercoaster...but that doesn't mean this team can't pull their collective s%%t together and challenge for a Cup when the second season begins, as many teams that have come before them have done (undergone in-season adversity to rebound an win it all). If you don't have enough faith in your team to believe that it's possible well, that's a shame. Enjoy wallowing in your glass that's half empty.

Pfffft....you ain't no 87+71.....he gives Cold Hard Facts at least.
- Symba007

MJL's opinions are to be interpreted as facts, didn't you get the memo?

Question to flames fans about White... I see that he's playing to minutes this game... has he been on your top pairing since the trade?
- Feeling Glucky?

He has been playing with regher, so the shut down pair plus lots of PP time. Bouwmeester has been weak lately

How about Toskala...... .931 save %!!!!

He has been playing with regher, so the shut down pair plus lots of PP time. Bouwmeester has been weak lately

How about Toskala...... .931 save %!!!!
- scoot174

See? Leafs fans weren't just hyping White up. He's a damned good d-man

As for Toskala... grain of salt- take it.

That's a matter of opinion. I think they're a talented team with a fair chance to get into the playoffs and challenge for a Cup. Not that they don't have some issues, but all teams do... the Flyers, despite their problems, have been among the best teams in the league over the past 25 games or so and are thus, in the mix...in the hunt for the Cup...there's no guarantee that this would be the case now, or years into the future, had they not traded for Pronger.


- exlund

The Flyers have not been among the best teams in the League at any point this Season. And yes, there's the old adage that once you get into the playoffs, anything can happen. But the odds are slim. And I'll reiterate that having top draft picks and a solid group of prospects, bodes for a stronger future. Again, that's simple common sense.

If winning the Cup is your only barometer of a trade, than that's true...but I think it's not a simple as that. If the trade helps the team be more competitive than they were or otherwise would have been, if it kept them in the playoffs and increased their chances at a Cup, without overly sacrificing their future competency, then it was a fair/good deal...if they win a Cup then it was a great deal... if they fall out of playoff contention and also suffer in the future due to the lack of assets given up in the deal then it was a really bad deal...we just don't know how to judge it yet...as you say, we'll see how it plays out.


- exlund

It's not a barometer of A trade. It's the barometer of THIS trade. Which you don't seem able to grasp. You don't trade for a 35 year old player and give up 2 #1 draft picks and a top prospect like Sbisa to be more competitive. You do it because you think it's puts you over the top. Anything can happen once you get into the playoffs. But the Flyers aren't a team that is considered a contender. For good reason.

And when I say steal a series or two, I mean that's what will have to happen if they're to win a Cup... win the series' they should win as well as stealing one or two from the caps or whoever, en route to a Cup...get it?


- exlund

Oh I get it! LOL

I think it's extremely difficult if not impossible for a GM to build a team that will definitely win the Cup. There are so many varibales, that the best you can do is build a team that has a very high probability of being a competitive playoff team and if they're good enough and things go their way, they might win it all. Those trips deep into the playoffs that the Flyers' teams have taken...maybe you take them for granted, but I know that some of those seasons the Flyers were among the top few teams in the league and had a damn good chance to grab a Cup. Injuries to key guys at the worst times played a big role in keeping the Flyers from their goal some will point to other factors...regardless, you have to say that those teams had that bona-fide chance to win it all...the GM and staff did what they had to do to put the team into position to win a Cup...while it's deeply frustrating they came up short, I wouldn't (necessarily) call those teams failures or blame the GM for the fate that befell those teams. Only one team can win a Cup each year...there are 29 other teams that are gunning for it each season. You can't predict which team will win it all based on what they look like on paper (don't we know it)...maybe if you're good, you can pick a group of 5 or 6 teams that will have a legit shot at it....so as a GM, if you feel you're in that group of say, the top 8 teams in the league, and you think you can improve your odds of winning a Cup by adding a big piece, I think you have to do it...put yourself in the mix, in the conversation about a Cup...give your team that opportunity. Holmgren has done that imo.


- exlund

Those past years results are irrelevant to this team. This is the second time you've made this statement about building a team that can definitely win the Cup. No such thing. Are the Flyers in the mix? I don't think they are. I don't think Holmgren has done that. What he's done is hamstring his team against the Cap. And deplete the Team of draft picks and prospects.

If this iteration of the team doesn't capitalize and proves to be unsuccessful in achieving their goal to win a Cup over the next 2-3 yrs, then I'm sure they will take whatever measures necessary to rebuild/retool and restock the cupboard etc....they'll have contracts coming off the books and/or will make moves to create cap room as necessary...sure, there will be some tough decisions down the line, but that's just the way it is in this cap world...I'm prepared for that and am ok with what they're doing to try and win now and over the next couple of years.


- exlund

This team's window could be a lot smaller than 2-3 years. Draft picks and prospects are what sustains an orginization.

So, let's say the Flyers kept Luca Sbisa, Lupul and the picks. What would unfold under that scenario that would make the Flyers better poised to win a Cup from Pens/Hawks/Sharks/Caps versus where they are now? If the Flyers wait and wait until they think they'd be better than the Caps and Pens and Hawks they might be waiting a looooong time and it may never come. At some point you have to take a shot. Many pundits believed Holmgren's move for Pronger made them favorites for the Cup. I think maybe even you bought into it too. Turns out they have to play the games before winning the Cup...yeah the Flyers have had their struggles with a new team a new coaching staff, injuries, instability in net...etc. Sometimes seasons can be a rollercoaster...but that doesn't mean this team can't pull their collective s%%t together and challenge for a Cup when the second season begins, as many teams that have come before them have done (undergone in-season adversity to rebound an win it all). If you don't have enough faith in your team to believe that it's possible well, that's a shame. Enjoy wallowing in your glass that's half empty.
- exlund

This team could pull it together and compete for a Cup. History has shown us that's possible in the NHL. What are the odds. Again, the reason you give for the teams struggles aren't the main reasons. They still have the same problems that have cost them all year. . How did the Caps/Pens/Hawks get to where they are now. With smart drafting and player moves. Something Holmgren hasn't matched. Making the Pronger move hasn't made them better than the top teams. And unless that changes in the playoffs this year, or in the next few years. Then it was a mistake. It's that simple.
Enjoy your view through your orange colored glasses that obscure your view of reality.

I'm done with this!

LOLcopterz...

LOLcopterz...
- exlund

Status quo. Nothing has changed. Thanks for stopping by in the middle of the night again.

I'm going to start keeping count of your failures. LOLcopterz...

P.S. Have you noticed how effort and intensity can overcome injuries to key players?

Status quo. Nothing has changed. Thanks for stopping by in the middle of the night again.
- MJL

Speaking of status quo,

"I know one thing. Your suggestion (exlund) of keeping the status quo, will get us no where. Changes need to be made. " - MJL - 4/5/2010

P.S. Have you noticed how effort and intensity can overcome injuries to key players?
- MJL

P.S. Injuries have, in fact, played a key role here. If Gagne hadn't come back early from injury and/or if Krejci hadn't been "knocked the F out" by Richards in game 3, the Flyers, in all liklihood wouldn't have made it to Game 7 here against Boston. Injuries have been a huge factor.

Speaking of status quo,

"I know one thing. Your suggestion (exlund) of keeping the status quo, will get us no where. Changes need to be made. " - MJL - 4/5/2010




- exlund

That's as true today as it was then. This team still needs to make some changes to elevate itself to a true Cup contender. The GM, Paul Holmgren is on record as saying the same thing recently.

And we'll see who's right and who's wrong this off season to see if the team keeps the status quo.

It all comes out in the wash exlund. And it always comes out the same way.

P.S. Injuries have, in fact, played a key role here. If Gagne hadn't come back early from injury and/or if Krejci hadn't been "knocked the F out" by Richards in game 3, the Flyers, in all liklihood wouldn't have made it to Game 7 here against Boston. Injuries have been a huge factor.
- exlund

Nothing but complete speculation on your part. And there is no evidence you can offer to prove that to be a fact.
What is evident is that the Flyers can be a competetive team even with the injuries. That as long as the effort and intensity is there. Something you still need to learn. I'm just going to come to the conclusion that your not capable of grasping that concept. As basic as it is. It is the backbone of every good team. All teams have injuries. The good teams don't use them as excuses like you do.


Another complete and total exlund epic failure!

Keep em coming. I love it!

That's as true today as it was then. This team still needs to make some changes to elevate itself to a true Cup contender. The GM, Paul Holmgren is on record as saying the same thing recently.

And we'll see who's right and who's wrong this off season to see if the team keeps the status quo.

It all comes out in the wash exlund. And it always comes out the same way.




Nothing but complete speculation on your part. And there is no evidence you can offer to prove that to be a fact.
What is evident is that the Flyers can be a competetive team even with the injuries. That as long as the effort and intensity is there. Something you still need to learn. I'm just going to come to the conclusion that your not capable of grasping that concept. As basic as it is. It is the backbone of every good team. All teams have injuries. The good teams don't use them as excuses like you do.

- MJL

Wait, I thought you were arguing (earlier on this thread) that the poor player mix and goaltending were the big issues? Now it's back to effort and intensity? Your opinions are a moving target.

Bottom line, Gagne scored the OT game winner upon his return in game 4 and scored two goals to key the game 5 win. Krejci was a critical component to the Satan and Lucic line, which had been lighting it up, but whose production has been almost nothing since his injury. The Bruins PK has also faltered since losing Krejci. This isn't speculation. These are facts any knowledgeable person following these teams can attest to. I suppose you chalk it up to mere coincidence that the first game Krejci didn't play and Gagne did marked the turnaround in this series. Just like when the very game that Gagne, Powe and Betts were all back in the lineup marked the end of the horrific mid-season slump.

A team can put forth solid efforts (like the Flyers did in two of the first three games) but if they don't have talent on the healthy roster sufficient enough to overcome their opponent, they aren't going to win in most cases. You need both..enough (healthy) talent and strong efforts. If you can't see the difference these players presence (or absence) have made in this series you're even more blind to reality than I've previously thought!

Wait, I thought you were arguing (earlier on this thread) that the poor player mix and goaltending were the big issues? Now it's back to effort and intensity? Your opinions are a moving target.


- exlund

That's pretty funny. Your just dancing around. This tread was months ago and discussions move into different areas and issues. You can't keep current. It's just another lame attempt by you. Aren't your tired of embarrasing yourself?

Bottom line, Gagne scored the OT game winner upon his return in game 4 and scored two goals to key the game 5 win. Krejci was a critical component to the Satan and Lucic line, which had been lighting it up, but whose production has been almost nothing since his injury. The Bruins PK has also faltered since losing Krejci. This isn't speculation. These are facts any knowledgeable person following these teams can attest to. I suppose you chalk it up to mere coincidence that the first game Krejci didn't play and Gagne did marked the turnaround in this series. Just like when the very game that Gagne, Powe and Betts were all back in the lineup marked the end of the horrific mid-season slump.


- exlund

I think it's obvious why the series turned around. Your still stuck on injuries.
How are the Bruins leading the Flyers 3-1 after the 1st period without Krecji?
Your were wrong about the slump. How the FLyers are playing in the playoffs is iron clad irrefutable proof that I was right and you were wrong.
How the Bruins are playing tonight is more of the same.

You don't know the very basics of this game. You don't know the very basic essence of competitive sports.

Keep it coming exlund!

A team can put forth solid efforts (like the Flyers did in two of the first three games) but if they don't have talent on the healthy roster sufficient enough to overcome their opponent, they aren't going to win in most cases. You need both..enough (healthy) talent and strong efforts. If you can't see the difference these players presence (or absence) have made in this series you're even more blind to reality than I've previously thought!
- exlund

This Series is iron clad proof that a team can overcome injuries and overcome an opponent.

Let's review what was said.

You said that in all liklihood is Krejci hadn't been hurt, that the Flyers likely wouldn't have made it to game 7.

I responded that that's speculation. And it is. I didn't say that injured players don't have an impact.
I said that and I'll repeat the same mantra over and over.
Effort and intensity are more important. With that, you can be competitive and win games. And win Series. The Flyers success this playoff season proves it. The Bruins play in the first period proves it.

The evidence is clear. You can't do anything about it.

Epic failure exlund!

And for the record, this is a thread that is over two months old. There have been how many threads since then? Why would someone do that and continue to do so, unless they were looking to provoke someone into an inane debate.

exlund, your on record as saying that you don't want to be provoked. So why do you continue to do the provoking? A man of character would stand by his statements and go about his business of regular conversation on this forum.

That tells you everything you need to know.

That's pretty funny. Your just dancing around. This tread was months ago and discussions move into different areas and issues. You can't keep current. It's just another lame attempt by you. Aren't your tired of embarrasing yourself?



I think it's obvious why the series turned around. Your still stuck on injuries.
How are the Bruins leading the Flyers 3-1 after the 1st period without Krecji?
Your were wrong about the slump. How the FLyers are playing in the playoffs is iron clad irrefutable proof that I was right and you were wrong.
How the Bruins are playing tonight is more of the same.

You don't know the very basics of this game. You don't know the very basic essence of competitive sports.

Keep it coming exlund!




This Series is iron clad proof that a team can overcome injuries and overcome an opponent.

Let's review what was said.

You said that in all liklihood is Krejci hadn't been hurt, that the Flyers likely wouldn't have made it to game 7.

I responded that that's speculation. And it is. I didn't say that injured players don't have an impact.
I said that and I'll repeat the same mantra over and over.
Effort and intensity are more important. With that, you can be competitive and win games. And win Series. The Flyers success this playoff season proves it. The Bruins play in the first period proves it.

The evidence is clear. You can't do anything about it.

Epic failure exlund!

And for the record, this is a thread that is over two months old. There have been how many threads since then? Why would someone do that and continue to do so, unless they were looking to provoke someone into an inane debate.

exlund, your on record as saying that you don't want to be provoked. So why do you continue to do the provoking? A man of character would stand by his statements and go about his business of regular conversation on this forum.

That tells you everything you need to know.
- MJL

Gagne again with the game winner, making my point even more that his presence in the lineup was absolutely key to the Flyers being able to come back and win this series. They could play with the same effort and intensity that they did...but without Simon Gagne, they weren't going to win this series. Richards putting Krejci out of action also had a big impact on this series. If you cannot see these obvious facts I cannot help you...many others are able to do so.

And keep in mind as the Flyers continue to advance, your earlier words that the team isn't a contender, that Homer screwed up, that Timonen and Pronger are players in decline, that the player mix is bad and changes must be made, , that the goaltending is the team's biggest hole, meanwhile I'll recall my view, that the team is built as a playoff team with a chance to possibly grab a Cup within the next 2-3 yrs.

Gagne again with the game winner, making my point even more that his presence in the lineup was absolutely key to the Flyers being able to come back and win this series. They could play with the same effort and intensity that they did...but without Simon Gagne, they weren't going to win this series. Richards putting Krejci out of action also had a big impact on this series. If you cannot see these obvious facts I cannot help you...many others are able to do so.


- exlund

More speculation on your part. None of which is a fact. The players on the ice decided who won this Series, not injuries. That is the obvious fact.

Both teams had injuries. Injuries are a fact of life. They don't decide who wins or loses.

And keep in mind as the Flyers continue to advance, your earlier words that the team isn't a contender, that Homer screwed up, that Timonen and Pronger are players in decline, that the player mix is bad and changes must be made, , that the goaltending is the team's biggest hole, meanwhile I'll recall my view, that the team is built as a playoff team with a chance to possibly grab a Cup within the next 2-3 yrs.
- exlund

The Flyers haven't won anything yet! We'll see if they're a true contender or not.
Your view is to straddle the fence and choose both sides. That way whatever happens you can say your right.

You still haven't addressed why you continue to provoke with reposting old threads?

There is a current game day thread and a current conversation.

Are you a man of your word or not?

More speculation on your part. None of which is a fact. The players on the ice decided who won this Series, not injuries. That is the obvious fact.

Both teams had injuries. Injuries are a fact of life. They don't decide who wins or loses.



The Flyers haven't won anything yet! We'll see if they're a true contender or not.
Your view is to straddle the fence and choose both sides. That way whatever happens you can say your right.

You still haven't addressed why you continue to provoke with reposting old threads?

There is a current game day thread and a current conversation.

Are you a man of your word or not?
- MJL

I told you I use old threads because it's an easy way to look back and see who was on the mark and who was off. I'm not going to go in a new active thread and start posting this older stuff. These threads are still here so why not keep the topic going here?

I believe that injuries, depending on how many, to whom and how severe they are can have a big impact on a game and/or series. This was true in this series imo and others agree...articles have been written about how the Flyers really benefitted from Gagne's return and how Boston really missed Krejci. Gagne scored two HUGE game winners and a couple other big ones. If he's not in those games that doesn't happen. It's obvious, the impact of his return from injury, seemingly to everyone but you.

I'd say the Flyers, now being one of only four teams left in the tournament have proven they are indeed, contenders...contender doesn't mean you're the champion or even the favorite to win the championship...it means that you are among those few teams with a legit shot at being the champion. The Flyers are in that position right now, along with three other teams.

I told you I use old threads because it's an easy way to look back and see who was on the mark and who was off. I'm not going to go in a new active thread and start posting this older stuff. These threads are still here so why not keep the topic going here?


- exlund

Your full of it. Your discussing the current series and the injury to Krejci. How is this "older stuff". You motive here is clear. Speaking of older stuff. You came on a gave a sob story about not wanting to provoked, blah,blah blah. It was a bunch of bull, and it shows how full of it you are. Show some character and move on.

I believe that injuries, depending on how many, to whom and how severe they are can have a big impact on a game and/or series. This was true in this series imo and others agree...articles have been written about how the Flyers really benefitted from Gagne's return and how Boston really missed Krejci. Gagne scored two HUGE game winners and a couple other big ones. If he's not in those games that doesn't happen. It's obvious, the impact of his return from injury, seemingly to everyone but you.


- exlund

I don't recall anywhere stating that Gagne coming back didn't have an impact. But you only read what you want to. It's the only way you can make yourself look right. Now you'll come back and put all kinds of your own thoughts into what I said, and what I implied, and blah blah blah. The players on the ice decide who wins or loses. Not the players in the press box. THis Series wasn't decided by injuries. Plain and simple.

I'd say the Flyers, now being one of only four teams left in the tournament have proven they are indeed, contenders...contender doesn't mean you're the champion or even the favorite to win the championship...it means that you are among those few teams with a legit shot at being the champion. The Flyers are in that position right now, along with three other teams.
- exlund

I see the big picture. Being a contender means being capable of winning the Cup. Every team who made the playoffs had a "legit" shot at being the Champion. Every team in the League had a "legit" shot at being the Champion at the start of the Season. They're not all contenders. The Flyers are in that position. But are they truly contenders, we'll see.

exlund, move on to the current thread.

You don't understand this game!

This conversation was over 2 months ago. If you want to converse with me, do it on a current thread. Otherwise, your wasting my time. I'm tired of trying to teach this game to you. That doesn't seem possible.

Your full of it. Your discussing the current series and the injury to Krejci. How is this "older stuff". You motive here is clear. Speaking of older stuff. You came on a gave a sob story about not wanting to provoked, blah,blah blah. It was a bunch of bull, and it shows how full of it you are. Show some character and move on.



I don't recall anywhere stating that Gagne coming back didn't have an impact. But you only read what you want to. It's the only way you can make yourself look right. Now you'll come back and put all kinds of your own thoughts into what I said, and what I implied, and blah blah blah. The players on the ice decide who wins or loses. Not the players in the press box. THis Series wasn't decided by injuries. Plain and simple.




I see the big picture. Being a contender means being capable of winning the Cup. Every team who made the playoffs had a "legit" shot at being the Champion. Every team in the League had a "legit" shot at being the Champion at the start of the Season. They're not all contenders. The Flyers are in that position. But are they truly contenders, we'll see.

exlund, move on to the current thread.

You don't understand this game!

This conversation was over 2 months ago. If you want to converse with me, do it on a current thread. Otherwise, your wasting my time. I'm tired of trying to teach this game to you. That doesn't seem possible.
- MJL

Move on to a current thread, you mean where people are telling you how you're full of poop 99% of the time, where people are calling you out and exposing you? Note they don't say this about me...only about you. Hmmmm wonder why?

You saying I don't know this or that means nothing...I know what I know and I don't need your affirmation to make it ring true...the facts do that just fine. It's just fun further exposing your ignorance and lack of insight then watching you squirm to try and defend your erroneous position

Who the hell made this turd float up to the surface again?

Who the hell made this turd float up to the surface again?
- BINGO!

exlund!

Move on to a current thread, you mean where people are telling you how you're full of poop 99% of the time, where people are calling you out and exposing you? Note they don't say this about me...only about you. Hmmmm wonder why?

You saying I don't know this or that means nothing...I know what I know and I don't need your affirmation to make it ring true...the facts do that just fine. It's just fun further exposing your ignorance and lack of insight then watching you squirm to try and defend your erroneous position
- exlund

Blah, blah, blah,blah.

Whine, whine, whine.

Only in your delusional fantasy World. I'll stick to Hockey. You can throw around the personal insults. You need to do that, I don't. Hmmmm wonder why? LMAO

You can find youtube highlights for every player in the NHL. A couple of Hockey writers making statements doesn't make it so. He's not even the best playmaker on his team right now. He's 95th in the NHL in assists currently. He's no where near elite yet. Maybe in the future, but not now. It's not rearview, it's current. You call me a rearview mirror guy and yet you post an article from 2009.
Potential is just that. It's not reality, until it happens. Alexandre Daigle was considered elite also. When and if Giroux reaches the elite level, then I'll call him elite. Calling him elite now just isn't factual.
- MJL

So, is he elite now? I was able to see his elite level of talent then...some apparently weren't.

I agree, right now Giroux is overrated by most Flyers fans. Maybe not in the future, but definitely right now. And if the Pens offered Staal for Giroux right now, I'd say deal. He's better suited to that lower line Center role. Ideally if I could get a similar young Winger of similar potential for Giroux with size, I'd make that deal. Someone like Chris Stewart in Colorado.
- MJL

Interesting van sciver...interesting.

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