Wesley Peters: Minnesota gets the Calls and the Win

Meh, same thing happened for Vegas. Bullpoop calls favor one team.

Meh, same thing happened for Vegas. Bullpoop calls favor one team.
- Antilles

It's a mad mad world.

Today the officials made some very questionable non-calls against the Jets and seemed to favor the Wild in the strange calls they made. The Jets spent too much time in their own zone before the Wild scored the tying goal and that can't continue against the Habs on Monday.

So I see our defensive specialist 3C didn't think to clear the puck from the front of the net or engage in a puck battle with Staal on the game winning goal, yeah he's just so elite defensively... Lol

So I see our defensive specialist 3C didn't think to clear the puck from the front of the net or engage in a puck battle with Staal on the game winning goal, yeah he's just so elite defensively... Lol
- JetFuel

He's so elite that he tilts the ice, most of the time it's for the opponent

It's a mad mad world.
- Wesley Peters

We could poo poo the refs all we want. The fact remains that the Wild spent the majority of the game in the Jets end. It seemed like the Jets were content with allowing Minnesota to conduct a shooting gallery on Hellebyuck.

Also I am tired of hearing about how we need to "grind out" wins, especially when we have high flying forwards that can out skate and outshoot the opposition. This team needs a major shake-up. Whether it be by changing the coach or by making a massive trade.

Just some Ultimate thoughts for a Saturday night.....

He's so elite that he tilts the ice, most of the time it's for the opponent
- TheUltimateJet

The elite ice tilter had a couple more point blank range shots today but that muffin shot of his just can't make it in... Lol

His line had a shift early in the 2nd and he was coming down the middle and Perreault was wide open and Lowry had lots of time to make a clean pass or just keep going in himself for a shot but he panicked and threw the puck away with a garbage pass that got broken up and the opportunity died, he had Bitetto with them too so he had options on the play like drop it to Bitetto for a clear shot and he could've drove to the net to create a screen but he made a soft lazy pass that was easily broken up.

There was a shift about 5 minutes into the 3rd where the Wild had tons of Ozone pressure with good scoring chances that all started from a Lowry giveaway in the neutral zone and rather then being down low battling for the puck and helping the dmen Lowry's standing out by the blueline watching the Wild dmen and Perreault was doing Lowry's job battling like a mad man while Lowry looked lost the entire shift, this is the elite shutdown defensive center the Jets couldn't possibly survive without? Haha!

Whatever Lowry is supposed to be so good at pretty much any player good enough to make the NHL could do it and probably for a league minimum salary.

It's really too bad Chevy can't see what a black hole Lowry is, he should see what the Sens want for Chris Tierney, he produces at a typical 3C rate and is on pace for 40 points this season, makes what Lowry makes and is an RFA next season so if they can't fit his salary in for next season he could be traded and some assets could be recouped, he probably wouldn't take too much to get in the first place, like a 2nd and a B-prospect should be enough or close to enough.

The game against the Wild was another one where some secondary scoring would've made a difference but alas ol stone hands just doesn't have it in him.

Show me a team blaming the refs for a loss and I will show you a team not going anywhere. Move on and get ready for the next one.

The elite ice tilter had a couple more point blank range shots today but that muffin shot of his just can't make it in... Lol

His line had a shift early in the 2nd and he was coming down the middle and Perreault was wide open and Lowry had lots of time to make a clean pass or just keep going in himself for a shot but he panicked and threw the puck away with a garbage pass that got broken up and the opportunity died, he had Bitetto with them too so he had options on the play like drop it to Bitetto for a clear shot and he could've drove to the net to create a screen but he made a soft lazy pass that was easily broken up.

There was a shift about 5 minutes into the 3rd where the Wild had tons of Ozone pressure with good scoring chances that all started from a Lowry giveaway in the neutral zone and rather then being down low battling for the puck and helping the dmen Lowry's standing out by the blueline watching the Wild dmen and Perreault was doing Lowry's job battling like a mad man while Lowry looked lost the entire shift, this is the elite shutdown defensive center the Jets couldn't possibly survive without? Haha!

Whatever Lowry is supposed to be so good at pretty much any player good enough to make the NHL could do it and probably for a league minimum salary.

It's really too bad Chevy can't see what a black hole Lowry is, he should see what the Sens want for Chris Tierney, he produces at a typical 3C rate and is on pace for 40 points this season, makes what Lowry makes and is an RFA next season so if they can't fit his salary in for next season he could be traded and some assets could be recouped, he probably wouldn't take too much to get in the first place, like a 2nd and a B-prospect should be enough or close to enough.

The game against the Wild was another one where some secondary scoring would've made a difference but alas ol stone hands just doesn't have it in him.
- JetFuel

Lowry? Would death by a firing squad make you happy? Tierney for a 2nd and a B prospect??? lol You don't have to say no more.

Lowry? Would death by a firing squad make you happy? Tierney for a 2nd and a B prospect??? lol You don't have to say no more.
- grahamzky

Considering that the Jets have an abysmal drafting record outside the first round where only 2 of their second rounders have ever played in the NHL, Nik Petan and now Jansen Harkins, this could be a great deal!

Good suggestion Jet Fuel!

As for what would make me happy about Lowry and that would be him getting 8-10 minutes a game and coming in as an energy player. My comparisons have proven the two narratives around him as being false and they were that third line Centers do not need to produce points and that Lowry was “elite” defensively.

Just a FYI:

Lowry had a 25.0% Corsi against Minnesota, which was tied for worst amongst forwards with Nick Shore. He was -20 comparative as well. His numbers seem to progressively be getting worse. The sad part about the whole situation is that he got close to 20 minutes in ice time. Yikes!!!

Lowry? Would death by a firing squad make you happy? Tierney for a 2nd and a B prospect??? lol You don't have to say no more.
- grahamzky

I don't want him to die, that's a little harsh, his career as the Jets 3C though yes I'd like that to die ASAP.

A 2nd and a B-prospect is too much for a RFA 40 point center that makes $2.9 million a season??
Do you really think you'd get a player like that for any less??

Oh and the Jets have exactly one past 2nd round pick presently playing for them in his whopping 5th NHL game so trading one for a controlled player is very reasonable for an organization that blows the 2nd round of the draft usually but hey if we want to continue with status quo, keep building for the future and think teams make the playoffs with almost zero offensive production from the bottom 6 then by all means let's not trade for an experienced 40 point 25 year old center who's signing rights the team would control, guess we could always use that 2nd round pick to draft a center that'll hopefully take only three seasons to become a Jet or would trading for more rentals make more sense to you? Cause yeah that's smart asset management or does drafting another potential Lukas Sutter, Petan or Comrie sound good? The 2C rentals of Stastny and Hayes were a 1st and B-prospect for UFA's! The difference between the value of a 1st and a 2nd is a lot, parting with 1sts for a UFA is really dumb, parting with a 2nd for an RFA isn't. The Jets like every team has plenty of B-prospects, they can more then afford to part with one especially for a controlled player.

For what its worth Tierney was a 2nd round pick when he was drafted btw.

I don't want him to die, that's a little harsh, his career as the Jets 3C though yes I'd like that to die ASAP.

A 2nd and a B-prospect is too much for a RFA 40 point center that makes $2.9 million a season??
Do you really think you'd get a player like that for any less??

Oh and the Jets have exactly one past 2nd round pick presently playing for them in his whopping 5th NHL game so trading one for a controlled player is very reasonable for an organization that blows the 2nd round of the draft usually but hey if we want to continue with status quo, keep building for the future and think teams make the playoffs with almost zero offensive production from the bottom 6 then by all means let's not trade for an experienced 40 point 25 year old center who's signing rights the team would control, guess we could always use that 2nd round pick to draft a center that'll hopefully take only three seasons to become a Jet or would trading for more rentals make more sense to you? Cause yeah that's smart asset management or does drafting another potential Lukas Sutter, Petan or Comrie sound good? The 2C rentals of Stastny and Hayes were a 1st and B-prospect for UFA's! The difference between the value of a 1st and a 2nd is a lot, parting with 1sts for a UFA is really dumb, parting with a 2nd for an RFA isn't. The Jets like every team has plenty of B-prospects, they can more then afford to part with one especially for a controlled player.

For what its worth Tierney was a 2nd round pick when he was drafted btw.
- JetFuel

Yes, I guess the Jets should just pass on their 2nd rd selection if they have one this year, as making previous mistakes means dooms day till the end of time with the 2nd rd selection.

The Sharks, with their great history of successful draft picks, perhaps drafted Tierney too high. He is probably available though.

Just a FYI:

Lowry had a 25.0% Corsi against Minnesota, which was tied for worst amongst forwards with Nick Shore. He was -20 comparative as well. His numbers seem to progressively be getting worse. The sad part about the whole situation is that he got close to 20 minutes in ice time. Yikes!!!
- TheUltimateJet

Happy New Year!

On a different note - I have kind of liked the play of Jansen Harkins and Tucker Poolman, no matter their Corsi.

Always wonder when I watch Poolman, if he doesn't stick on the Jets blue-line - and he certainly should IMO - could he not play RW - maybe 3rd line? He seems to have offensive upside.

Yes, I guess the Jets should just pass on their 2nd rd selection if they have one this year, as making previous mistakes means dooms day till the end of time with the 2nd rd selection.

The Sharks, with their great history of successful draft picks, perhaps drafted Tierney too high. He is probably available though.
- grahamzky

You wouldn't cash in a 2nd for a proven commodity that could help now?

2012 Draft taken 39th overall-Lukas Sutter-Jets
2012 Draft taken 55th overall-Chris Tierney-SJS
There were better players taken after Tierney like Severson later in the 2nd and Gostisbehere in the 3rd. The Jets 3rd round pick in 2012 was Scott Kosmachuk 70th overall, some guys taken after him include Lindell, Murray, Parayko, Sundqvist, Andersen, no doubt some good players but there were also a bunch of misses who either didn't amount to much or haven't played an NHL game yet.

The Jets only 2nd round pick playing for them is Harkins from all the way back in 2015, that's how long it could take. If GM's aren't willing to part with a 2nd that's potentially multiple seasons away from contributing in exchange for a controlled player that can help them now it shouldn't be any surprise that their teams don't improve. No team is built solely through the draft, guess Chevy's hoping some great deal is gonna come along through the waiver wire?.. 😂

Funny how they'll throw away better assets like 1sts on rentals but theres almost no in season trades, who knows though maybe Tierney would take more then a 2nd and a B-prospect idk.

Happy New Year!

On a different note - I have kind of liked the play of Jansen Harkins and Tucker Poolman, no matter their Corsi.

Always wonder when I watch Poolman, if he doesn't stick on the Jets blue-line - and he certainly should IMO - could he not play RW - maybe 3rd line? He seems to have offensive upside.
- grahamzky

I too have liked the play of Harkins and Poolman.

That's not a bad idea and I recall people wondering the same about former Jet Paul Postma, both seem like guys with offensive instincts that could transition to forward.

Although it really wouldn't matter what kind of offensive upside Poolman has if he's Lowry's winger, that's the line where offense goes to die.

Show me a team blaming the refs for a loss and I will show you a team not going anywhere. Move on and get ready for the next one.
- atlantis17

It’s not about blame for the loss as the Jets were good but not great, same for wild.

Someone has to call out bad officiating when it happens and this crew (no problem with linesmen) did a bad job for the last 5 minutes and OT. Egregious non-call likely to be reviewed by the league, missed high stick, and missed knee. Soft call in OT and then the goalie interference. Forearm to the head then pushed the leg with goalie in the paint away from the play. All bad calls that benefit the wild, not blaming for loss just talking facts. They may have lost with correct calls made but we will never know.

Couldn’t help but think of James Neal shattering his stick on Helly’s mask and not considered goalie interference. It is a mystery standard, the old school system of beat on the guy who attacks the goalie was more clear.

Happy New Year!

On a different note - I have kind of liked the play of Jansen Harkins and Tucker Poolman, no matter their Corsi.

Always wonder when I watch Poolman, if he doesn't stick on the Jets blue-line - and he certainly should IMO - could he not play RW - maybe 3rd line? He seems to have offensive upside.
- grahamzky

If I were moving a dman to wing it would be Kulikov. Aggressive, looks like he enjoys the offensive side of play and good skills. I don’t have high confidence in his defense and there is little upside there.

It’s not about blame for the loss as the Jets were good but not great, same for wild.

Someone has to call out bad officiating when it happens and this crew (no problem with linesmen) did a bad job for the last 5 minutes and OT. Aggregious non-call likely to be reviewed by the league, missed high stick, and missed knee. Soft call in OT and then the goalie interference. Forearm to the head then pushed the leg with goalie in the paint away from the play. All bad calls that benefit the wild, not blaming for loss just talking facts. They may have lost with correct calls made but we will never know.
- 2.0

The hit from behind on Morrissey is inexcusable and EVERY fanbase would complain about that non call, hit from behind right in the numbers with a referee staring right at the hit with a clear view from 6 feet away, like seriously that was clearly a penalty that should've been called.

The Jets sucked but the refs sucked worse.

If I were moving a dman to wing it would be Kulikov. Aggressive, looks like he enjoys the offensive side of play and good skills. I don’t have high confidence in his defense and there is little upside there.
- 2.0

Hilariously, this is somehow (in a small sample size) the best defensive season of his career.

Looked like former jets 1.0 Igor Ulanov was a team Russia coach. Pretty sure it was him I saw getting a medal.

Looked like former jets 1.0 Igor Ulanov was a team Russia coach. Pretty sure it was him I saw getting a medal.
- 2.0

Was that Khabibulin maybe?
Pretty sure I heard his name mentioned as one of the Russian coaching staff.

Yes, I guess the Jets should just pass on their 2nd rd selection if they have one this year, as making previous mistakes means dooms day till the end of time with the 2nd rd selection.

The Sharks, with their great history of successful draft picks, perhaps drafted Tierney too high. He is probably available though.
- grahamzky

Well as my manager always tells me past results are a good indicator of future performance. I don’t see any reason to hold onto a pick where the Jets have traditionally struggled, especially if it means that we could find permanent solutions to some of our current challenges.