Voracek is pretty good, but it's telling that a lot of Flyers fans seem to be fine with him being included in a side-deal with Nashville.
- MadCap2008

Again, it isn't just him.

Nonetheless, I'd be fine moving even Schenn, and I love him, but Homer won't do it.

I'd move anyone sans Giroux or Couturier to get Weber. Our GM doesn't feel that way though.

Thats my point. Now spending up to the cap becomes that much tougher becuase of the 1st year bonus money. The first 4 or 5 years really. This means competing becomes that much more difficult. Can they win a cup at the floor? I agree they are still very good, but not sure how they are closer to a cup this year, regardless.

Looking at this from an ownership or hockey perspective its tough to rationalize matching the offer.

If they use emotion and ego then I understand. I would not blame them for going in that direction, but don't think its the brightest move.

Not getting an asset for Suter puts their outlook in a bit of a bind.
- acmilano3

Again, we have the exact same team in place that got us the third best record in the conference last season, minus Suter. However, we've added Gaustad and Gill. They don't need to spend to the cap to have a good, competitive team, but there is a willingness to do so. As far as I'm concerned, all Weber's money does is make it the same as what they were originally planning on spending for Suter and Weber together. Suter's gone. Weber's getting that money. They still have more to spend, and I believe they will.

The only bad option for this team is to not match the offer sheet. They'll lose a whole lot more if they don't.

That second last point is what would frustrate me.. If that was almost common knowledge.. trade Suter at the TDL.
- Hextall271

I think quite a few thought Nashville had a chance to make a deep run in the playoffs -- at some point, you owe it to the fans to try to finish the deal and I think that is what they did (the fact that it didn't result in a Cup doesn't mean it wasn't the right thing to do).

Again, it isn't just him.

Nonetheless, I'd be fine moving even Schenn, and I love him, but Homer won't do it.

I'd move anyone sans Giroux or Couturier to get Weber. Our GM doesn't feel that way though.
- LordStanley88

And there's the rub. You guys want to send us good while you obtain great. That doesn't work for us.

You dont often hear the term "rebuild" when youre talking about 2 players....is NJD going to rebuild b/c they lost their 3rd leading scorer last year? Id appreciate it if yall quit using the term rebuild....will it change the makeup of the team? Sure, but we are hardley going into a rebuilding season. THX
- buelleo

Your right. They would not have to rebuild. That's part of the point.

And there's the rub. You guys want to send us good while you obtain great. That doesn't work for us.
- Predaceous

You might not have a choice. That was essentially Homer's thinking when he did the OS.

If you don't want to lose him for that, then match.

The ball is in Poile's court.

And there's the rub. You guys want to send us good while you obtain great. That doesn't work for us.
- Predaceous

This is more than just a hockey trade.

And there's the rub. You guys want to send us good while you obtain great. That doesn't work for us.
- Predaceous

But the other side of the coin is all they have to send is 4 first, can you live with that?

But the other side of the coin is all they have to send is 4 first, can you live with that?
- dav12389

Don't think he would...

I'd say that package is exponentially > 4 low 1sts anyways.

The bigger problem simply may be what it will do to the franchise if they keep him under these circumstances.
- acmilano3

No, the bigger problem is what it will do to the franchise if they don't keep him. There's already a ton of resentment bubbling under the surface. If they don't keep Weber, even if they get a decent return in a trade, they will have destroyed all the good will they've developed over the last few years, and no one will trust them anymore.

Again, we have the exact same team in place that got us the third best record in the conference last season, minus Suter. However, we've added Gaustad and Gill. They don't need to spend to the cap to have a good, competitive team, but there is a willingness to do so. As far as I'm concerned, all Weber's money does is make it the same as what they were originally planning on spending for Suter and Weber together. Suter's gone. Weber's getting that money. They still have more to spend, and I believe they will.

The only bad option for this team is to not match the offer sheet. They'll lose a whole lot more if they don't.
- Predaceous

You have not added Gill and Gaustad. They will not have Suter and the money is not the same.

Matching puts this team under a tremendous financial burden. Makes them virtually unsellable and depreciates the asset tremendously in the short term.

Again, we have the exact same team in place that got us the third best record in the conference last season, minus Suter. However, we've added Gaustad and Gill. They don't need to spend to the cap to have a good, competitive team, but there is a willingness to do so. As far as I'm concerned, all Weber's money does is make it the same as what they were originally planning on spending for Suter and Weber together. Suter's gone. Weber's getting that money. They still have more to spend, and I believe they will.

The only bad option for this team is to not match the offer sheet. They'll lose a whole lot more if they don't.
- Predaceous

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You have not added Gill and Gaustad. They will not have Suter and the money is not the same.

Matching puts this team under a tremendous financial burden. Makes them virtually unsellable and depreciates the asset tremendously in the short term.
- acmilano3

Go back and look at Brett Wilson's tweet earlier in this thread.

No, the bigger problem is what it will do to the franchise if they don't keep him. There's already a ton of resentment bubbling under the surface. If they don't keep Weber, even if they get a decent return in a trade, they will have destroyed all the good will they've developed over the last few years, and no one will trust them anymore.
- Predaceous

But dosent it mean web wants out anyway by signing that, the guy is the leader of the team, if he really wanted to be there wouldnt he say to the gm, look i got this offer sheet for this, get close and we call it a day?
Now what happens if after nashville matches and the year gos by and he says trade me the same as nash

You might not have a choice. That was essentially Homer's thinking when he did the OS.

If you don't want to lose him for that, then match.

The ball is in Poile's court.
- LordStanley88

It's a very arrogant stance (we'll take your best player and you'll take back what we tell you and also tell you what a fantastic deal you are getting) and represents much of what is bad about professional sports.

Go back and look at Brett Wilson's tweet earlier in this thread.
- Predaceous

im not looking it up. what did he say?

will it be as relevant as Weber's agent saying he wants to play in phila?

But dosent it mean web wants out anyway by signing that, the guy is the leader of the team, if he really wanted to be there wouldnt he say to the gm, look i got this offer sheet for this, get close and we call it a day?
Now what happens if after nashville matches and the year gos by and he says trade me the same as nash
- dav12389

If he really wanted out he would have never signed the offer sheet to begin with. If you read the article on Gillis he essentially says that Weber's motivations were purely monetary. He wanted the best deal he could get, period. Philly gave him that deal, and now Nashville has to make a determination about keeping him or not.

If he wanted out why would he sign something that could keep him here the rest of his career?

im not looking it up. what did he say?

will it be as relevant as Weber saying he wants to play in phila?
- acmilano3

Mannn, are you really that lazy? This thread is only 5 pages long, but here it is again.

If he really wanted out he would have never signed the offer sheet to begin with. If you read the article on Gillis he essentially says that Weber's motivations were purely monetary. He wanted the best deal he could get, period. Philly gave him that deal, and now Nashville has to make a determination about keeping him or not.

If he wanted out why would he sign something that could keep him here the rest of his career?
- Predaceous

it could be a fair point, but it also could mean they did not believe Nash could match.

Btw, apparently there's going to be some news on Colin Wilson soon.

Mannn, are you really that lazy? This thread is only 5 pages long, but here it is again.




- Predaceous

saw this. assumed you were referring to something else. what does this have to do with price of tea in china?

what does this have to do with their fiscal ability or responsiblity to match?

he wants to win a cup and the preds have deep pockets (according to him). great.

it could be a fair point, but it also could mean they did not believe Nash could match.
- acmilano3

That's a pretty big risk to take. According to reports, Poile was already looking to deal him. He could have waited it out. He has until September. I think he was just tired of waiting. Preds made good offers, but I'm positive none of them included the bonus money.

Philly fans dreaming when they think they are getting the best Dman in the NHL for the next decade for scraps. It isn't happening. Canes fans thought the same thing of Jordan Staal because of outside factors, it didn't happen.

In the end you will have to pay. One of Schenn or Couturier plus more will be going the other way. Have to give to get.
- psoneill

I agree they will have to give to get. Which Schenn?

saw this. assumed you were referring to something else. what does this have to do with price of tea in china?
- acmilano3

It has nothing to do with the price of tea in China, and everything to do with you constantly stating that the finances will be a burden to the Predators. Clearly, they will not.

If he really wanted out he would have never signed the offer sheet to begin with. If you read the article on Gillis he essentially says that Weber's motivations were purely monetary. He wanted the best deal he could get, period. Philly gave him that deal, and now Nashville has to make a determination about keeping him or not.

If he wanted out why would he sign something that could keep him here the rest of his career?
- Predaceous

well i really do think he took his chances to get paid now...Theres the new CBA in which he would never get this kind of money.