Because that role is taken by a legit 2nd line winger. Kadri needs to EARN his way into the top 6.

By playing on the 3rd line.

If they can get him in the top 6 role, cool? But they can't, because Macarthur is there.
- jbold

with Frattin hurt to start the season, you could certainly see Kadri starting the season on the third line, but eventually they want to slot him into a top 6 spot, thats where he will excell, his vision is superb.

Good morning, afternoon and goodnight.
- LeafMan

G'day

THE INSTIGATOR RULE IS STUPID HEAD!!
- Dozzer

Ya but it's the reality. You need players that can fight, not fighters that can't play.

Besides the best fights are ones with emotion and impromptu bouts, not staged centre ice "Ok you wanna go?" "Ya ok" "Nice fight see you on Thursday" "How's the wife and kids?"

with Frattin hurt to start the season, you could certainly see Kadri starting the season on the third line, but eventually they want to slot him into a top 6 spot, thats where he will excell, his vision is superb.
- big_dion

kadri is not a 3rd liner, he needs to play with good players that can feed off his vision.

MacArthur, 43 points in 73 games this season.

And 62points last season.

But we have to put him on the 4th line because Kadri needs top 6 minutes?

That makes sense....

Uh, what?
- jbold

Gump

kadri is not a 3rd liner,
- big_dion

But MacArthur is?

THE INSTIGATOR RULE IS STUPID HEAD!!
- Dozzer

Agreed! The Instigator rule allowed goon tactics to stay in the game. Do you think that hit and run type players would be as prevelant, if they had to face the music for a dirty hit? Too many Ruuitu, Sekara and Ott types around that never receive the justice that they deserve.

MacArthur, 43 points in 73 games this season.

And 62points last season.

But we have to put him on the 4th line because Kadri needs top 6 minutes?

That makes sense....
- jbold

62 points, down to 43 points, i guess hes on the decline

you dont get it do you? IF kadri makes the team, and is ready, having him in a checking roll passing the puck to Mcclemment isnt ideal. you want him essentially feeding guys who can bury on command...thats what i think anyhow

Mike Rupp was on the bench when Crosby got dropped, didn't stop anything. Fighters can't hit back since they are slow and have 3 minutes of ice-time, so why should I fear a guy who will not see any playing time and who I could just say "(frank) you I won't fight." If the fighter jumps him then he gets the instigator and the guy is laughing. Aka Kaleta/Avery/Lappierre who are the masters of this. How did the Habs do with George Laraque the best fighter in the league? Nobody would fight him so how is he protecting his team? The 80's and 90's are over.
- AdamFrench

Thats when you need to Scott Stevens guys in mid ice...thatll learn them.

I agree...with the exception of the whole UFA RFA thing.

It does make Kessel's contract look fantastic though.
- yemrots

Yes.

this is dumb

the roles of the 3rd liner and second liner arent even close to the same thing

you really want kadri shutting down opposition top lines?

dumb.
- Dozzer

top 6 bottom 6 no longer really exists...top 9 bottom 3 is more like it....

62 points, down to 43 points, i guess hes on the decline
- big_dion

Or maybe MacArthur had an injury this season.

you dont get it do you? IF kadri makes the team, and is ready, having him in a checking roll passing the puck to Mcclemment isnt ideal.

But having MacArthur, an actual 2nd line winger, on the 4th line is ideal?

You really want MacArthur playing on the 4th line?


dumb.
- jbold

Could just trade him

You really want MacArthur playing on the 4th line?


dumb.
- jbold

no, but I would drop him to the third in a heartbeat

Lupul-JVR-Kessel
MacArthur-Grabo-Kadri
Bozak-McClement-Kulemin
Brown-Steckel-Komarov.




Done. Case closed.

no, but I would drop him to the third in a heartbeat
- Dozzer

"the roles of the 3rd liner and second liner arent even close to the same thing

you really want MacArthur shutting down opposition top lines?"

There. I switched names for you.

Besides, like Colin said. Top 6 bottom 6 dont exist anymore.

Pretty sure Burke said a month ago they're looking at a top 8 bottom 4 lineup.

MacArthur, 43 points in 73 games this season.

And 62points last season.

But we have to put him on the 4th line because Kadri needs top 6 minutes?

That makes sense....
- jbold

You guys are both wrong.

Mac needs to be moved for assets if the plan is to put Kadri in. The team objective is not to build Kadri up, its to get W's. If Kadri is on the 3rd line then you risk W's. 2nd line or AHL.

this is dumb

the roles of the 3rd liner and second liner arent even close to the same thing

you really want kadri shutting down opposition top lines?

dumb.
- Dozzer

Shouldn't you have said "I think this is dumb"?

Lupul-JVR-Kessel
MacArthur-Grabo-Kadri
Bozak-McClement-Kulemin
Brown-Steckel-Komarov.




Done. Case closed.
- jbold

no frattin? i guess we traded him for Bernier then?

so we cant move mac down a line, but we can move kadri in from the AHL to 2nd line winger and move frattin from 2nd/3rd line winger to the AHL.

riiiiiiight

top 6 bottom 6 no longer really exists...top 9 bottom 3 is more like it....
- Colin Dambrauskas

with a line matching coach like carlyle the leafs will have very specific roles to play on each particular line

under wilson yes, under carlyle, no.. the third line will be a traditional checking line

no frattin? i guess we traded him for Bernier then?
- big_dion

Maybe you should go read back and what I said about Frattin.

so we cant move mac down a line, but we can move kadri in from the AHL to 2nd line winger and move frattin from 2nd/3rd line winger to the AHL.

riiiiiiight

Actually, you said MacArthur on the 4th line also, which is stupid.

And once again, go back and read about Frattin.

thanks.

You guys are both wrong.

Mac needs to be moved for assets if the plan is to put Kadri in. The team objective is not to build Kadri up, its to get W's. If Kadri is on the 3rd line then you risk W's. 2nd line or AHL.
- markmark

the entire arguement started with me saying "unless a trade is made".

basically if kadri is in the lineup, its top 6 or nothing, unless of course they had him on the third line until Frattin came in, then perhaps they could move him to the 2nd and trade Mac, if not, id rather mac be playing where they can mix him into the top 3 lines and have him on the 4th line.

PK's happen, PP's happen, the lines do fluctuate a bit.

Shouldn't you have said "I think this is dumb"?
- yemrots

Oh no, not this again. I think someone got banned for this...can't remember who though.

with a line matching coach like carlyle the leafs will likely have very specific roles to play on each particular line

under wilson yes, under carlyle, no.. I think the third line will be a traditional checking line
- Dozzer

fixed.


You're welcome.