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- Lahey

Doesn't work anymore, I've tried in the past.

I read that, but I also read the part where you said I was wrong about you considering Fox a legitimate news source. So I was confused.

Also, you have posted many articles from Fox news, whether you've posted from other sources or not is irrelevant to that statement. Why would you even bring it up?
- Feeling Glucky?

yeah..........why did you bring it up?

yeah..........why did you bring it up?
- Doppleganger

Why are you answering a question with a question? Is there something you are avoiding?

It's sad that you actually believe this.

This doesn't even have anything to do with you being conservative or liberal. You(and dopps) are just being idiots.
- Feeling Glucky?

I believe it because it's mostly true.

Look, I know you're a centrist.....in Canada that means you're more left than right, and you ripped on the Occupy Morons, so you aren't a Left way or no way type person, but the fact is, in my country.....my statements in that last post are most certainly closer to fact, even though I did it in a commical format

I believe it because it's mostly true.

Look, I know you're a centrist.....in Canada that means you're more left than right, and you ripped on the Occupy Morons, so you aren't a Left way or no way type person, but the fact is, in my country.....my statements in that last post are most certainly closer to fact, even though I did it in a commical format
- bruinsbeer69

I'm actually more conservative than liberal by Canadian standards, but I still think what you're saying is stupid.

Used to be people chose their political parties based on their beliefs...now people choose their beliefs based on their political party. That saddens me.

Personally I'm not affiliated with any party, I don't even vote since I think it's a waste of time. All politicians are the same, so what's the difference? Hell, I lived in Ottawa and after a Question Period session in the House they all go to the pubs across the street and hang out together, laughing and chatting. It's a literally a farce. They don't believe a word that is coming out of their mouths, so why should you? And why care if one is in power over the other? They are all going to lie, cheat and steal from you, only difference is they will make a few meaningless decisions that make it look like they give a poop about the party they come from.

I'm actually more conservative than liberal by Canadian standards, but I still think what you're saying is stupid.
- prock

what a coincidence, that's what I think when I read most of your posts.....on any topic

what a coincidence, that's what I think when I read most of your posts.....on any topic
- bruinsbeer69

Oh, I’m so hurt.

You seem to be pretty butthurt the last year or two. Probably something to do with your beloved Yotes likely leaving town? All your arguing about how they should stay, not their fault, etc. It must suck for you.

Used to be people chose their political parties based on their beliefs...now people choose their beliefs based on their political party. That saddens me.

Personally I'm not affiliated with any party, I don't even vote since I think it's a waste of time. All politicians are the same, so what's the difference? Hell, I lived in Ottawa and after a Question Period session in the House they all go to the pubs across the street and hang out together, laughing and chatting. It's a literally a farce. They don't believe a word that is coming out of their mouths, so why should you? And why care if one is in power over the other? They are all going to lie, cheat and steal from you, only difference is they will make a few meaningless decisions that make it look like they give a poop about the party they come from.
- deerow84

If you don't vote, you've surrendered any right to complain.

You are part of the problem.

If you don't vote, you've surrendered any right to complain.

You are part of the problem.
- Doppleganger

- Le_Moderateur

I had never seen that before but it's basically spot on.

The whole "if you don't vote you can't complain" thing never made any sense to me. So you can only complain when you vote even if none of the parties running fit your belief structure? I mean, I could go and intentionally vote for a useless party or independant guy who has no hope at all and it's the same thing as not voting.

That's like saying if a guy walks up to you and asks you if you want to be punched in the face or the nuts you have no right to complain about being assaulted unless you actually picked one of the two locations. Whatever way you slice it you still got punched whether you participate in your own assualt or not.

I had never seen that before but it's basically spot on.

The whole "if you don't vote you can't complain" thing never made any sense to me. So you can only complain when you vote even if none of the parties running fit your belief structure? I mean, I could go and intentionally vote for a useless party or independant guy who has no hope at all and it's the same thing as not voting.

That's like saying if a guy walks up to you and asks you if you want to be punched in the face or the nuts you have no right to complain about being assaulted unless you actually picked one of the two locations. Whatever way you slice it you still got punched whether you participate in your own assualt or not.
- deerow84

I think there should be better measures for allowing the voices of the dissatisfied to be heard. That being said, go to the booth, and write in batman, or spoil your ballot, or say the system sucks. Those sorts of things get recorded and reported and could effect change.

If everyone who simply stayed home because they were dissatisfied wrote "I AM DISSATISFIED WITH POLITICAL DISCOURSE IN THIS COUNTRY" on their ballot, it would be national news for weeks. It would be revolutionary.

Oh, I’m so hurt.

You seem to be pretty butthurt the last year or two. Probably something to do with your beloved Yotes likely leaving town? All your arguing about how they should stay, not their fault, etc. It must suck for you.
- prock

I could give a squirt of piss if you're hurt or not. Funny how I make a little joke about your Olympic team and you go off on it like I'm trying to dodge your "point".....but then you come back with a Phoenix Coyotes reference. Huh???

Nice case of projection, cupcake

I could give a squirt of piss if you're hurt or not. Funny how I make a little joke about your Olympic team and you go off on it like I'm trying to dodge your "point".....but then you come back with a Phoenix Coyotes reference. Huh???

Nice case of projection, cupcake
- bruinsbeer69

I went off on it? Ummm, yeah.

I think there should be better measures for allowing the voices of the dissatisfied to be heard. That being said, go to the booth, and write in batman, or spoil your ballot, or say the system sucks. Those sorts of things get recorded and reported and could effect change.

If everyone who simply stayed home because they were dissatisfied wrote "I AM DISSATISFIED WITH POLITICAL DISCOURSE IN THIS COUNTRY" on their ballot, it would be national news for weeks. It would be revolutionary.
- Morris

I feel like if they made voting mandatory, like in Australia, that's what I would do. But I don't think that people spoiling their ballots really does do anything.

For the record I used to do that where I would go and vote for the guy with no shot in hell or the communist party or anything just to give me a laugh about it...but didn't seem to have any impact and I was mostly doing it because of that tired old cliche of "if you don't vote you don't have the right to complain." Now I feel like I don't have to make a meaningless stupid farce of an effort for that right, I just have it.

That being said, I'm not one of those people who constantly harp on about politicians and the direction of our country. If someone brings it up (like has happened here) I'll state my opinion and defend it but I don't go looking for it. Usually only comes up around election time, to be honest.

I had never seen that before but it's basically spot on.

The whole "if you don't vote you can't complain" thing never made any sense to me. So you can only complain when you vote even if none of the parties running fit your belief structure? I mean, I could go and intentionally vote for a useless party or independant guy who has no hope at all and it's the same thing as not voting.

That's like saying if a guy walks up to you and asks you if you want to be punched in the face or the nuts you have no right to complain about being assaulted unless you actually picked one of the two locations. Whatever way you slice it you still got punched whether you participate in your own assualt or not.
- deerow84

Politicians don't want to you vote, and will also try to sway dumb voters to their POV by lying or spin.

So unless you participate in the political/electoral system.............then all you're going to get is more of the same.

So if they've gotten you to point where you are to lazy / frustrated / to feed up to vote..............then don't complain when (in Ontario) the governing party has doubled the Debt in the past 8 years, and have thrown away billions of your tax dollars with nothing to show for it but your increased electricity rates.

Politicians don't want to you vote, and will also try to sway dumb voters to their POV by lying or spin.

So unless you participate in the political/electoral system.............then all you're going to get is more of the same.

So if they've gotten you to point where you are to lazy / frustrated / to feed up to vote..............then don't complain when (in Ontario) the governing party has doubled the Debt in the past 8 years, and have thrown away billions of your tax dollars with nothing to show for it but your increased electricity rates.
- Doppleganger

You never answered my question... why did you attack me for saying you thought Fox was a legitimate news source?

Politicians don't want to you vote, and will also try to sway dumb voters to their POV by lying or spin.

So unless you participate in the political/electoral system.............then all you're going to get is more of the same.

So if they've gotten you to point where you are to lazy / frustrated / to feed up to vote..............then don't complain when (in Ontario) the governing party has doubled the Debt in the past 8 years, and have thrown away billions of your tax dollars with nothing to show for it but your increased electricity rates.
- Doppleganger

Yeah, McGuinty sucks. He’s a mess. I’d like to see Hudak in charge. It can’t get any worse. Federally, however, I honestly wish Chretien were still in charge with Paul Martin Minister of Finance. They had this country in such great shape for so long.

Yeah, McGuinty sucks. He’s a mess. I’d like to see Hudak in charge. It can’t get any worse. Federally, however, I honestly wish Chretien were still in charge with Paul Martin Minister of Finance. They had this country in such great shape for so long.
- prock

Wow, really?? Were you a taxpayer back then?

Chertien & Martin gouged social programs to pay for corporate tax cuts, let interest rates push the deficit up and then downloaded health-care costs to the provinces to get it back down again.

Under Chretien & Martin, university tuition rose out of reach of most of the working class. Martin cut EI benefits, slashed transfers to the provinces, more than doubled Canada Pension Plan premiums, and in a move of questionable legality, helped himself to the government employees’ pension plan surplus.

Chretien & Martin conquered the federal deficit by downloading it onto the provinces, and onto private citizens in the form of “soaring household debt” and “a very sharp decline in the personal saving rate.” (According to a 2005 report by Centre for Policy Alternatives)

Martin’s financial policies reduced the unemployment rate but increased the number of part-time and precarious jobs and youth unemployment skyrocketed.


Good riddance, and may we NEVER see their ilk again.

Wow, really?? Were you a taxpayer back then?

- Doppleganger

Yes. Are you a taxpayer now? I have a hard time picturing you as a productive member of society.

Chertien & Martin gouged social programs to pay for corporate tax cuts, let interest rates push the deficit up and then downloaded health-care costs to the provinces to get it back down again.

- Doppleganger

What??? Push the defecit up? There was a huge surplus under those two, you idiot.

Under Chretien & Martin, university tuition rose out of reach of most of the working class. Martin cut EI benefits, slashed transfers to the provinces, more than doubled Canada Pension Plan premiums, and in a move of questionable legality, helped himself to the government employees’ pension plan surplus.

- Doppleganger

Since when is university tuition out of reach, even now?

I actually did a papers on the CPP when I was in school, in a senior level class on econometrics. It was on it's way to bankruptcy, before they got there. And most of that is due to the way it was designed, population demographics, etc, and had nothing to do with them.

Chretien & Martin conquered the federal deficit by downloading it onto the provinces, and onto private citizens in the form of “soaring household debt” and “a very sharp decline in the personal saving rate.” (According to a 2005 report by Centre for Policy Alternatives)

Martin’s financial policies reduced the unemployment rate but increased the number of part-time and precarious jobs and youth unemployment skyrocketed.


Good riddance, and may we NEVER see their ilk again.
- Doppleganger

someone toes the party line a little too hard.

Politicians don't want to you vote, and will also try to sway dumb voters to their POV by lying or spin.

So unless you participate in the political/electoral system.............then all you're going to get is more of the same.

So if they've gotten you to point where you are to lazy / frustrated / to feed up to vote..............then don't complain when (in Ontario) the governing party has doubled the Debt in the past 8 years, and have thrown away billions of your tax dollars with nothing to show for it but your increased electricity rates.
- Doppleganger

Here's your problem: You think I'm an idiot for not voting Conservative, not for not voting at all. You honestly believe that everything is peachy-keen and they can do no wrong. So from your perspective I have no right to complain because there was an obvious right choice that I chose not to make that choice. I'm not that blind. I realize that they are all liars, that they are all ripping us off and that no matter who you vote for that's not going to change.

Unless there is a parliamentary reform party to vote for (and they'd never win a seat even if there was) then there's no point in voting as no matter who I vote for is going to continue the vicious cycle.

If the Rhinoceros Party ran in my riding I would vote for them. For the uninformed here are just a few of the campaign promises:
-Repealing the law of gravity
-Providing higher education by building taller schools
-Instituting English, French and illiteracy as Canada's three official languages
-Tearing down the Rocky Mountains so that Albertans could see the Pacific sunset
-Making Montreal the Venice of North America by damming the St. Lawrence River
-Abolishing the environment because it's too hard to keep clean and it takes up so much space
-Annexing the United States, which would take its place as the third territory in Canada's backyard (after the Yukon and the Northwest Territories -- Nunavut did not yet exist), in order to eliminate foreign control of Canada's natural resources
-Ending crime by abolishing all laws
-To provide more parking in the Maritimes and to create the world's largest parking lot respectively, paving the Bay of Fundy and the province of Manitoba
-Turning Montreal's Saint Catherine Street into the world's longest bowling alley
-Amending Canada's Freedom of Information Act. "Nothing is free anymore; Canadians should have to pay for their information."
-Making the Canadian climate more temperate by tapping into the natural resource of hot air in Ottawa.
-Storing nuclear waste in the Senate. "After all, we've been storing political waste there for years."
-Adopting the British system of driving on the left; this was to be gradually phased in over five years with large trucks and tractors first, then buses, eventually including small cars and bicycles last.
-Selling the Canadian Senate at an antique auction in California
-Putting the national debt on Visa
-Declaring war on Belgium because a Belgian cartoon character, Tintin, killed a rhinoceros in one of the cartoons
-Offering to call off the proposed Belgium-Canada war if Belgium delivered a case of mussels and a case of Belgian beer to Rhinoceros "Hindquarters" in Montreal (the Belgian Embassy in Ottawa did, in fact, do this)
-Painting Canada's coastal sea limits in watercolour so that Canadian fish would know where they were at all times
-Banning guns and butter, since both kill
-Banning lousy Canadian winters
-Building a bridge spanning the country, from Vancouver Island to Newfoundland.
-Making the Trans-Canada Highway one way only.
-Changing Canada's currency to bubble gum, so it could be inflated or deflated at will.
-Donate a free rhinoceros to every aspiring artist in Canada
-Counting the Thousand Islands to see if the Americans have stolen any
The Rhino Party also declared that, should they somehow actually win an election, they would immediately dissolve and force a second election. "We Rhinos think that elections are so much fun, we want to hold them all the time."

That's just from wikipedia. Apparently they got shut down though. Lame.

Here's your problem: You think I'm an idiot for not voting Conservative, not for not voting at all. You honestly believe that everything is peachy-keen and they can do no wrong. So from your perspective I have no right to complain because there was an obvious right choice that I chose not to make that choice. I'm not that blind. I realize that they are all liars, that they are all ripping us off and that no matter who you vote for that's not going to change.

- deerow84

Yeah, this guy fully buys into everything conservative, and gulps it down like.... well, I won't go any further.

As I've said, I generally lean towards the conservative end of the spectrum (in terms of Cdn politics, anyway), but I think the Chretien government was the most effective government we've seen in quite a few decades.

Since when is university tuition out of reach, even now?

I actually did a papers on the CPP when I was in school, in a senior level class on econometrics. It was on it's way to bankruptcy, before they got there. And most of that is due to the way it was designed, population demographics, etc, and had nothing to do with them.




someone toes the party line a little too hard.
- prock

Stop using the truth. It's clearly biased against Dopps' opinions.

Stop using the truth. It's clearly biased against Dopps' opinions.
- Feeling Glucky?

I actually don’t think it’s out of reach for a student to earn enough to pay for their own tuition, either. And all of that calls into question, what is expected for a post-secondary education. How much of that should be paid for by taxpayers? It’s odd, in one breathe, he spouts staunch conservative viewpoints, and in the next, sounds like your average Occupy Toronto moron, or Quebec student rioter.

All of this, by the way, makes me wonder if it’s slipped past him, that education is within the provincial jurisdiction, and mostly funded provincially anyway.

The CPP thing, it was in big trouble. It was unsustainable.

I actually don’t think it’s out of reach for a student to earn enough to pay for their own tuition, either. And all of that calls into question, what is expected for a post-secondary education. How much of that should be paid for by taxpayers? It’s odd, in one breathe, he spouts staunch conservative viewpoints, and in the next, sounds like your average Occupy Toronto moron, or Quebec student rioter.

All of this, by the way, makes me wonder if it’s slipped past him, that education is within the provincial jurisdiction, and mostly funded provincially anyway.

The CPP thing, it was in big trouble. It was unsustainable.
- prock

Taxes should be lower, and the government should subsidize more.

Makes sense.

And yea, I know lots of people who pay their own way through university and college. It's by no means out of reach.