Taxes should be lower, and the government should subsidize more.
Makes sense.
And yea, I know lots of people who pay their own way through university and college. It's by no means out of reach. - Feeling Glucky?
Depends on the person's situation. I know some people who were kicked out of their parent's house at age 18, and were stuck with dead-end jobs because of it. That's (frank)ed up in my opinion, but to each their own I guess. Rent is so expensive these days some people I know have to work 60 hours a week just to get by. Seriously. These people would have to work about 90 hours per week, plus attend school full time... (frank) that noise. Anyway, there are different variables to consider... Level of parental support/partner's support, the university you pick (some tuition fees are definitely out of reach), the wage you make prior too/during the time you're attending school... Blah blah blah... I know in NL, if you don't have an education/trade, you're getting a sh1t job that will barely cover the essentials.
Depends on the person's situation. I know some people who were kicked out of their parent's house at age 18, and were stuck with dead-end jobs because of it. That's (frank)ed up in my opinion, but to each their own I guess. Rent is so expensive these days some people I know have to work 60 hours a week just to get by. Seriously. These people would have to work about 90 hours per week, plus attend school full time... (frank) that noise. Anyway, there are different variables to consider... Level of parental support/partner's support, the university you pick (some tuition fees are definitely out of reach), the wage you make prior too/during the time you're attending school... Blah blah blah... I know in NL, if you don't have an education, you're getting a sh1t job that will barely cover the essentials. - laughs2907
I know a girl who was paying her way through western, living on her own income the whole way through.
I'm not saying it's easy, and that everyone can do it(I probably couldn't) but OSAP definitely helps... and the people who do this wind up with more life skills than those who've had their way paid for them.
College is also cheaper, and unless you want to become a doctor/engineer/lawyer/teacher... you really don't need university.
I know a girl who was paying her way through western, living on her own income the whole way through.
I'm not saying it's easy, and that everyone can do it(I probably couldn't) but OSAP definitely helps... and the people who do this wind up with more life skills than those who've had their way paid for them.
College is also cheaper, and unless you want to become a doctor/engineer/lawyer/teacher... you really don't need university. - Feeling Glucky?
Add business person to that list... Here in NL anyway, you need a degree to get an interview. If you say you have a college diploma, 80% of the employers here will pretty much laugh at you.
Add business person to that list... Here in NL anyway, you need a degree to get an interview. If you say you have a college diploma, 80% of the employers here will pretty much laugh at you. - laughs2907
I was working at a recruiting firm here... at least for marketing, that's not true in Ontario... a lot of people we were looking at for high-end position had just diplomas. Here, it's the experience that matters. Degree is only really important for deciding where you step into the workplace.... and then for the super-high level jobs.
I was working at a recruiting firm here... at least for marketing, that's not true in Ontario... a lot of people we were looking at for high-end position had just diplomas. Here, it's the experience that matters. Degree is only really important for deciding where you step into the workplace.... and then for the super-high level jobs. - Feeling Glucky?
Side note: still no explanation from Dopps as to why he attacked me for my post saying that he felt Fox news was a legitimate news source. The guy tries to shut down my freedom of speech, and doesn't even provide an explanation.
Side note: still no explanation from Dopps as to why he attacked me for my post saying that he felt Fox news was a legitimate news source. The guy tries to shut down my freedom of speech, and doesn't even provide an explanation. - Feeling Glucky?
Fine, I'll hire you! Either way.
Degrees are usually required in NL, because there's a lot of people who have degrees relative to the number of positions that exist. I know of people in Alberta who got jobs with a one year certificate, and those same jobs here would most likely require a degree.
Degrees are usually required in NL, because there's a lot of people who have degrees relative to the number of positions that exist. I know of people in Alberta who got jobs with a one year certificate, and those same jobs here would most likely require a degree.
FOX News! - laughs2907
It seems Dopps doesn't want to discuss his reaction to the idea that he finds Fox a legitimate news source.
Here's your problem: You think I'm an idiot for not voting Conservative, not for not voting at all. You honestly believe that everything is peachy-keen and they can do no wrong. So from your perspective I have no right to complain because there was an obvious right choice that I chose not to make that choice. I'm not that blind. I realize that they are all liars, that they are all ripping us off and that no matter who you vote for that's not going to change.
Unless there is a parliamentary reform party to vote for (and they'd never win a seat even if there was) then there's no point in voting as no matter who I vote for is going to continue the vicious cycle.
If the Rhinoceros Party ran in my riding I would vote for them. For the uninformed here are just a few of the campaign promises:
-Repealing the law of gravity
-Providing higher education by building taller schools
-Instituting English, French and illiteracy as Canada's three official languages
-Tearing down the Rocky Mountains so that Albertans could see the Pacific sunset
-Making Montreal the Venice of North America by damming the St. Lawrence River
-Abolishing the environment because it's too hard to keep clean and it takes up so much space
-Annexing the United States, which would take its place as the third territory in Canada's backyard (after the Yukon and the Northwest Territories -- Nunavut did not yet exist), in order to eliminate foreign control of Canada's natural resources
-Ending crime by abolishing all laws
-To provide more parking in the Maritimes and to create the world's largest parking lot respectively, paving the Bay of Fundy and the province of Manitoba
-Turning Montreal's Saint Catherine Street into the world's longest bowling alley
-Amending Canada's Freedom of Information Act. "Nothing is free anymore; Canadians should have to pay for their information."
-Making the Canadian climate more temperate by tapping into the natural resource of hot air in Ottawa.
-Storing nuclear waste in the Senate. "After all, we've been storing political waste there for years."
-Adopting the British system of driving on the left; this was to be gradually phased in over five years with large trucks and tractors first, then buses, eventually including small cars and bicycles last.
-Selling the Canadian Senate at an antique auction in California
-Putting the national debt on Visa
-Declaring war on Belgium because a Belgian cartoon character, Tintin, killed a rhinoceros in one of the cartoons
-Offering to call off the proposed Belgium-Canada war if Belgium delivered a case of mussels and a case of Belgian beer to Rhinoceros "Hindquarters" in Montreal (the Belgian Embassy in Ottawa did, in fact, do this)
-Painting Canada's coastal sea limits in watercolour so that Canadian fish would know where they were at all times
-Banning guns and butter, since both kill
-Banning lousy Canadian winters
-Building a bridge spanning the country, from Vancouver Island to Newfoundland.
-Making the Trans-Canada Highway one way only.
-Changing Canada's currency to bubble gum, so it could be inflated or deflated at will.
-Donate a free rhinoceros to every aspiring artist in Canada
-Counting the Thousand Islands to see if the Americans have stolen any
The Rhino Party also declared that, should they somehow actually win an election, they would immediately dissolve and force a second election. "We Rhinos think that elections are so much fun, we want to hold them all the time."
That's just from wikipedia. Apparently they got shut down though. Lame. - deerow84
Here's your problem: You think that I think you're an idiot for not voting Conservative, not for not voting at all. You honestly believe that I think everything is peachy-keen and they can do no wrong.
You leftists always claim to KNOW what others are "thinking", but you never do.
So because the "world" does not operate in the way you want it to, you just sit back and complain about it, and pontificate about how things should be like, instead of engaging in the real world. "Change the rules, and then I'll join in"
That's just being lazy isn't it?
BTW the way, one of the best planks in the Rhinoceros Party platform was the switch to driving on the left side of the road ( as in England ) and that the switch would be phased in over two years with Buses and trucks switching first and followed by automobiles in the next year.
Side note: still no explanation from Dopps as to why he attacked me for my post saying that he felt Fox news was a legitimate news source. The guy tries to shut down my freedom of speech, and doesn't even provide an explanation. - Feeling Glucky?
WOW, how do "think" I attacked you, and tried to shut down your freedom of speech.
Here was my reply to your challenge over a FOX news screen shot you posted.
edit: one of the many hilarious clips from the channel he considers to be a legitimate news source:
(he won't see what's wrong with this image) - Feeling Glucky?
Once again you're assuming you know what news source I watch.
And once again you're wrong. (Surprise!!!!)
I don't watch a news source, I watch them all and seek out more POVs on radio and on the internet.
If you only follow one source of news, then you're only getting one POV and it could be heavily biased. You watch, listen and read a number of sources to get an idea of the truth, because nowadays the news sources have a distinctive "spin" top one degree or another.
Yes I watch FOX news, but I also watch CNN, MSNBC, Sun News, CBC, CTV and listen to various news/talkradio stations.
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON Joined: 08.30.2007
Aug 10 @ 11:30 AM ET
Are you claiming that the number one rated cable news network in the USA is not a news source???
- Doppleganger
Where exactly did he claim that? You put words in other peoples mouths at an incredible pace. It's a news source for sure. Hell, the National Enquirer is a news source. In fact, they had a circulation of over 6 million at one point.
Where exactly did he claim that? You put words in other peoples mouths at an incredible pace. It's a news source for sure. Hell, the National Enquirer is a news source. In fact, they had a circulation of over 6 million at one point. - prock
I'm not saying he claimed anything (like he is claiming I did)...........I'm asking him if he is claiming.
Not that hard to figure out buddy.
He is trying to drag me into a debate over the legitimacy of FOX news, or something.
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS Joined: 07.18.2007
Aug 10 @ 11:39 AM ET
I feel like if they made voting mandatory, like in Australia, that's what I would do. But I don't think that people spoiling their ballots really does do anything.
For the record I used to do that where I would go and vote for the guy with no shot in hell or the communist party or anything just to give me a laugh about it...but didn't seem to have any impact and I was mostly doing it because of that tired old cliche of "if you don't vote you don't have the right to complain." Now I feel like I don't have to make a meaningless stupid farce of an effort for that right, I just have it.
That being said, I'm not one of those people who constantly harp on about politicians and the direction of our country. If someone brings it up (like has happened here) I'll state my opinion and defend it but I don't go looking for it. Usually only comes up around election time, to be honest. - deerow84
That makes sense. In essence, they really put the responsibility of effecting change in the public's hands, which is very democratic, but of course enforces the status quo. As I say, without a mass spoiling of ballots, the whole thing loses its potency. Even those who are dissatisfied but not apathetic will not vote-spoil if those who are completely apathetic will make no effort to join them.
I sometimes wonder whether the promise of a professional review of all votes cast, with a study made public about various voters' dissatisfactions would encourage those who stay home on election night to voice their displeasure in a spoiled ballot, but I imagine that that would seem like wasted money to some of the 30 odd percent who actually do vote. Though, to play devil's advocate, those who would prefer a 30 percent voter turnout with a minimal spoil rate to a 100 percent voter turnout with a 60-70 spoil rate may not be truly invested in the democratic spirit.
That makes sense. In essence, they really put the responsibility of effecting change in the public's hands, which is very democratic, but of course enforces the status quo. As I say, without a mass spoiling of ballots, the whole thing loses its potency. Even those who are dissatisfied but not apathetic will not vote-spoil if those who are completely apathetic will make no effort to join them.
I sometimes wonder whether the promise of a professional review of all votes cast, with a study made public about various voters' dissatisfactions would encourage those who stay home on election night to voice their displeasure in a spoiled ballot, but I imagine that that would seem like wasted money to some of the 30 odd percent who actually do vote. Though, to play devil's advocate, those who would prefer a 30 percent voter turnout with a minimal spoil rate to a 100 percent voter turnout with a 60-70 spoil rate may not be truly invested in the democratic spirit. - Morris
All the more reason to get engaged beyond just voting. I was a member of union (CEP) and did not like the way the local was being run. Found out that most people did not bother to attend the regular meetings of bothered to vote on any of the issues except the CBAs.
I ran for a position, and once on the inside effected change from within and moved things in the direction I thought they should. Many members agree with my POV and voted when a issue was put to the ballot.
You can't just sit on the sidelines and wait for things to change, you have to get involved at any level you're comfortable with.
Location: Hall looks disengaged, NS Joined: 07.18.2007
Aug 10 @ 12:16 PM ET
All the more reason to get engaged beyond just voting. I was a member of union (CEP) and did not like the way the local was being run. Found out that most people did not bother to attend the regular meetings of bothered to vote on any of the issues except the CBAs.
I ran for a position, and once on the inside effected change from within and moved things in the direction I thought they should. Many members agree with my POV and voted when a issue was put to the ballot.
You can't just sit on the sidelines and wait for things to change, you have to get involved at any level you're comfortable with. - Doppleganger
I agree, in essence. However, voter turnout in most every North American election shows that people aren't willing to take it upon themselves. Most aren't even willing to pay attention when someone else takes it upon themselves.
In my experience, there was no importance placed on civic participation throughout my education. Further, the media depicts politics as a function of partisan teams, which trivializes the whole process.
These aren't excuses. But they are examples for what government or third-party initiatives could change if they wanted to foster more/better political involvement. The public definitely still needs to meet the institution halfway though.
I agree, in essence. However, voter turnout in most every North American election shows that people aren't willing to take it upon themselves. Most aren't even willing to pay attention when someone else takes it upon themselves.
In my experience, there was no importance placed on civic participation throughout my education. Further, the media depicts politics as a function of partisan teams, which trivializes the whole process.
These aren't excuses. But they are examples for what government or third-party initiatives could change if they wanted to foster more/better political involvement. The public definitely still needs to meet the institution halfway though. - Morris
Those on the "inside" of politics, at any level, don't want anyone else moving in on what they see as their territory, and will discourage people from joining in.
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON Joined: 08.30.2007
Aug 10 @ 1:48 PM ET
All the more reason to get engaged beyond just voting. I was a member of union (CEP) and did not like the way the local was being run. Found out that most people did not bother to attend the regular meetings of bothered to vote on any of the issues except the CBAs.
I ran for a position, and once on the inside effected change from within and moved things in the direction I thought they should. Many members agree with my POV and voted when a issue was put to the ballot.
You can't just sit on the sidelines and wait for things to change, you have to get involved at any level you're comfortable with. - Doppleganger
That makes sense. In essence, they really put the responsibility of effecting change in the public's hands, which is very democratic, but of course enforces the status quo. As I say, without a mass spoiling of ballots, the whole thing loses its potency. Even those who are dissatisfied but not apathetic will not vote-spoil if those who are completely apathetic will make no effort to join them.
I sometimes wonder whether the promise of a professional review of all votes cast, with a study made public about various voters' dissatisfactions would encourage those who stay home on election night to voice their displeasure in a spoiled ballot, but I imagine that that would seem like wasted money to some of the 30 odd percent who actually do vote. Though, to play devil's advocate, those who would prefer a 30 percent voter turnout with a minimal spoil rate to a 100 percent voter turnout with a 60-70 spoil rate may not be truly invested in the democratic spirit. - Morris
I don't disagree with anything you said here, I'm just not sure how effective vote-spoiling is as a method to bring about change in the current political system. Do they even release the numbers for vote spoiling? Does the winning party really care? I don't think so. The kind of change needed would have to be pretty drastic so until the vast majority of people are beyond apathetic and pushed into a full on rage about the way things are nothing is going to change. And I honestly don't see that happening any time soon. Not only are people already so brain washed to believe whatever their specific political party tells them to believe but even the people who are disillusioned (like myself) are far too lazy to actually put anything into action.
Although, to be clear, unless the majority of people are disillusioned and motivated for change nothing short of a revolution would make the changes necessary. To be blunt a revolution is absolutely not needed at all, we aren't remotely close to being that bad...North Korea or Russia in a few years if it continues on its current course, maybe, but not Canada.
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON Joined: 08.30.2007
Aug 10 @ 2:51 PM ET
I don't disagree with anything you said here, I'm just not sure how effective vote-spoiling is as a method to bring about change in the current political system. Do they even release the numbers for vote spoiling? Does the winning party really care? I don't think so. The kind of change needed would have to be pretty drastic so until the vast majority of people are beyond apathetic and pushed into a full on rage about the way things are nothing is going to change. And I honestly don't see that happening any time soon. Not only are people already so brain washed to believe whatever their specific political party tells them to believe but even the people who are disillusioned (like myself) are far too lazy to actually put anything into action.
Although, to be clear, unless the majority of people are disillusioned and motivated for change nothing short of a revolution would make the changes necessary. To be blunt a revolution is absolutely not needed at all, we aren't remotely close to being that bad...North Korea or Russia in a few years if it continues on its current course, maybe, but not Canada. - deerow84
You straight up said I was wrong about you watching fox, and threw in an insult, followed by you defending fox. This is the attack I am referring to.
And what challenge are you referring to?
I posted a screenshot, said you considered it a legitimate news source, and you went off on a rant. - Feeling Glucky?
Here's my so called "rant" (according to you that is)
Once again you're assuming you know what news source I watch.
And once again you're wrong. (Surprise!!!!)
I don't watch a news source, I watch them all and seek out more POVs on radio and on the internet.
If you only follow one source of news, then you're only getting one POV and it could be heavily biased. You watch, listen and read a number of sources to get an idea of the truth, because nowadays the news sources have a distinctive "spin" top one degree or another.
Yes I watch FOX news, but I also watch CNN, MSNBC, Sun News, CBC, CTV and listen to various news/talkradio stations.
Yeah, this guy fully buys into everything conservative, and gulps it down like.... well, I won't go any further.
As I've said, I generally lean towards the conservative end of the spectrum (in terms of Cdn politics, anyway), but I think the Chretien government was the most effective government we've seen in quite a few decades. - prock
You've pointed out that Jean Chretien and Paul Martin were responsible for reducing the deficit and putting Canada's economy on a strong foundation.
I wonder if you forgot that it was Brian Mulroney's PC government that negotiated signed the Free Trade agreement with the USA, and also brought in the GST, which six months later allowed Chretien-Martin to begin to reduce the deficit??
Also both PC Policies (GST & FTA) were susposed to be undone or "scrapped" by the Liberals after winning the election, as promised...............but as it is with all Liberal campaigns, tell the electorate what they want to hear, and then do the opposite once elected.
Chretien-Martin merely used the economic road map set by the Mulroney Tories, and then create the great Canadian Myth that they wrestled the deficit to the ground, without out once acknowledging the GST income that allowed them to do so.
FOX News! 
