BUT, the lashing out is because he exercised his first amendment rights.
If you believed equality, you would allow him to "practise what he preaches" just you do so yourself. Why do YOU, the gay community and the progressive left want to boycott his stores, insult him simply because he exercised his first amendment rights????
Is Dan Cathy and the Christian Church boycotting Ben & Jerry's???
Is Dan Cathy and the Christian Church insulting Ben or Jerry???
Is Dan Cathy and the Christian Church seeking to block new Ben & Jerry's from opening.
NO he is not, he is allowing them to exercise their first amendment rights.
That is equability my friend. - Doppleganger
First of all, I'm not your friend... You know that.
Secondly, Dan Cathy used his freedom of speech to single out a group of individuals, and belittle them. Freedom of speech is fantastic, but when it's used to attack a certain group of people, it's wrong.
Third... You seem to believe that anyone can say anything they want (because of the freedom of speech) however, you feel the gay community should not be able to voice their displeasure with what Dan Cathy said. How can this be? Do they have less rights because they're gay? Do freedom of speech not apply to them? Or does it only apply to certain people?
Now once again... If your son or daughter approached you one day and told you that he/she was gay... Would you call him/her arrogant, tell him or her that we will face god's wrath because of his/her sexual preference, and then beg for god's mercy? Would you?
It's also worth noting that, yes, there are many christians out there that boycott things that don't comply with their religion. The Harry Potter books for example, are boycotted, because they mention witches.
~ Whoever takes a census... "And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah. ... And David's heart smote him after that he had numbered the people. And David said unto the LORD, I have sinned greatly in that I have done. ... So the LORD sent a pestilence upon Israel ... and there died of the people .. seventy thousand men."
"And David said to Joab and to the rulers of the people, Go, number Israel from Beersheba even to Dan; and bring the number of them to me, that I may know it. ... And God was displeased with this thing; therefore he smote Israel. ... So the LORD sent pestilence upon Israel: and there fell of Israel seventy thousand men."
~ Childbearing is sinful... "And when the days of her purifying are fulfilled, for a son, or for a daughter, she shall bring a lamb of the first year for a burnt offering, and a young pigeon, or dove, for a sin offering, unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, unto the priest: Who shall offer it before the LORD, and make an atonement for her."
~ Those who are uncircumcised ~ "This is my covenant which ye shall keep between me and you and they seed after thee: Every man and child among you shall be circumcised."
"He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant."
"And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised."
~ Those who covet (crave/desire/want) ~ "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's."
~ Those who eat meat ~ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
~ Those who have called their father, "father" ~ Call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
~ Those of us who have eaten anything capable of flying ~ And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.
~ Anyone who has ever called someone a fool ~ Whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
~ Men with long hair ~ Doth not even nature herself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
~ Anyone who judges others ~ But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
~ Anyone who has ever lied ~ All liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone.
~ Those of us who enjoy making money ~ For the love of money is the root of all evil.
~ Those of us who have taken an oath ~ But above all things, brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.
~ Those of us who have ever tried to please others ~ For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
~ For those who pray in public ~ And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father in secret shall reward thee openly.
~ For those who have celebrated when an enemy has been defeated ~ Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth.
~ For females who have remarried ~ Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.
~ For those of us who are wealthy ~ Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
~ For those of us who work on Sundays ~ Six days my work be done; but in the seventh is the sabbath of rest, holy to the Lord: whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
~ For men who have had sex with women who are on their period ~ And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her nakedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people.
~ For those of us who have married unbelievers ~ Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? ... Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
Lets look at some other potential targets for Dan Cathy...
~ Those who covet (crave/desire/want) ~ "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's."
- laughs2907
Man, good thing slavery isn't against God's will. We should probably bring that back.
~ Those who eat meat ~ And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
~ Those of us who have eaten anything capable of flying ~ And every creeping thing that flieth is unclean unto you: they shall not be eaten.
Chick-fil-A is the harbinger of doom!
~ Men with long hair ~ Doth not even nature herself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
But... Jesus?
~ Those of us who enjoy making money ~ For the love of money is the root of all evil.
Mr. Carthy is either a bad CEO, or a bad Christian, it seems
~ For those who pray in public ~ And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father in secret shall reward thee openly.
Hmmm... bible says he should stfu about his religion, eh?
~ For those of us who are wealthy ~ Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
~ For those of us who are wealthy ~ Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
If he is wealthy, I pray for god's mercy. - laughs2907
Probably shouldn't have shut up all those occupy protesters eh? Not only where they exercising their freedom of speech... they were spreading the word of god!
Probably shouldn't have shut up all those occupy protesters eh? Not only where they exercising their freedom of speech... they were spreading the word of god! - Feeling Glucky?
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BUT, the lashing out is because he exercised his first amendment rights.
If you believed equality, you would allow him to "practise what he preaches" just you do so yourself. Why do YOU, the gay community and the progressive left want to boycott his stores, insult him simply because he exercised his first amendment rights????
Is Dan Cathy and the Christian Church boycotting Ben & Jerry's???
Is Dan Cathy and the Christian Church insulting Ben or Jerry???
Is Dan Cathy and the Christian Church seeking to block new Ben & Jerry's from opening.
NO he is not, he is allowing them to exercise their first amendment rights.
That is equability my friend.
In the USA you have the freedom to speak your mind and allow others that same courtesy in return. - Doppleganger
You think boycotting somebody/something is a violation of the first amendment? The freedom of association is in fact guaranteed by the first amendment!
The gay community and the progressive left don't like his view on traditional marriage, and are organizing boycotts of his franchises, and publicly insulting him.
Do you see Christians organizing boycotts of ......let's say, Ben & Jerry's outlets, who have publicly supported gay marriage, or publicly insulting them??
That's the difference my friend. If the gay community and the progressive left don't agree with your POV, they lash out and take action to force their opinion on you. - Doppleganger
Isnt' that what they're doing? speaking their mind? - prock
Yes, but "they" are going one step further by trying to make him change his lifelong beliefs by employing economic coercion and trying to prevent more franchises from opening.
First of all, I'm not your friend... You know that.
Secondly, Dan Cathy used his freedom of speech to single out a group of individuals, and belittle them. Freedom of speech is fantastic, but when it's used to attack a certain group of people, it's wrong.
- laughs2907
Listen my friend, don't you even realize what your saying?
The gay community and the progressive left have used their freedom of speech to single out a group of individuals, and belittle them. Freedom of speech is fantastic, but when it's used to attack a certain group of people, it's wrong.
Plus they've gone the further step of employing economic coercion and trying to prevent more franchises from opening.
You're making my case for me my friend, thanks for that.
Here's some examples of how the gay community and the progressive left feel about customers of Dan Cathy.
Yes, but "they" are going one step further by trying to make him change his lifelong beliefs by employing economic coercion and trying to prevent more franchises from opening.
Well that only took about 2 seconds on google. - mfreedman
Dude, neither of your links work.
It would appear that the gay community and the progressive left are in the minority, and the silent majority fully support Dan Cathy's right to freedom of speech and don't back down from the intolerance coming from the gay community and the progressive left who seem to think their views are right and lash at those who don't play along.
Yes, but "they" are going one step further by trying to make him change his lifelong beliefs by employing economic coercion and trying to prevent more franchises from opening.
This is not "free speech". - Doppleganger
There is a fine line between "free speech" and "hate speech." Complete free speech includes hate speech because by definition if you can say anything you want that includes spreading hate. We don't have that here and neither does America or most of the world for that matter. What we have is the ability to say what we want as long as it doesn't enter into the realm of hate speech.
Sometimes it's hard to figure out but think of it this way: If he was saying Jews shouldn't be allowed to marry it would be hate speech, if he was saying black people shouldn't be able to marry white people that would be hate speech, if he was saying Muslims shouldn't be allowed to be legally married in America that would be hate speech...so why is it not hate speech for him to say that gays shouldn't be allowed to be married?
And, if you believe in absolute free speech including hate speech then you are a hypocrite for attacking the people who have lashed out at Cathy. So you lose either way: either he engaged in hate speech or everyone is free to say anything they want in which case the people targeting him are just as well within their rights as he is. You can't have full freedom of speech for some people and restricted free speech for others, it doesn't work that way.
There is a fine line between "free speech" and "hate speech." Complete free speech includes hate speech because by definition if you can say anything you want that includes spreading hate. We don't have that here and neither does America or most of the world for that matter. What we have is the ability to say what we want as long as it doesn't enter into the realm of hate speech.
Sometimes it's hard to figure out but think of it this way: If he was saying Jews shouldn't be allowed to marry it would be hate speech, if he was saying black people shouldn't be able to marry white people that would be hate speech, if he was saying Muslims shouldn't be allowed to be legally married in America that would be hate speech...so why is it not hate speech for him to say that gays shouldn't be allowed to be married?
. - deerow84
That's easy, because he did not say that.
Also if he did sat anything that a court would deem as "hate speech" then the gay community and the progressive left would have had him charged.
Because he did not, they have lashed out by employing economic coercion and trying to prevent more franchises from opening.
They are the self appointed "thought police" and want everyone to think as they do.
Dude, neither of your links work.
It would appear that the gay community and the progressive left are in the minority, and the silent majority fully support Dan Cathy's right to freedom of speech and don't back down from the intolerance coming from the gay community and the progressive left who seem to think their views are right and lash at those who don't play along. - Doppleganger
The gay community's intolerance!?
The only thing that thye aren't tolerant of is Intolerance itself!
Let's pretend for a second that being gay was normal. Instead of sex, for procreation, we had the ability to create children by other means. You grow up and are 'different', attracted to women instead of men. You don't know why you have this attraction, you just do.
Now let's also pretend that you love a certain person of the opposite sex, and wish to get married to them. Unfortunately there are laws in place that prevent you from doing so, and are only there because of past religious beliefs that you are forced to abide by, despite not believing in them yourself.
Now lets also pretend that this place you live in stands up for equasl rights in every isue of race, religion, etc... but for some reason forces you to have less of a right than everyone else, when it comes to your choice of picking a life partner. Now you are openly fighting for your right to equality, and are getting opposition from people who would not be affected at all by your decision to marry a woman.
Would you be tolerant to these people's opinions?
Now flash back to the real world and understand that it is unfair, and actually pretty disgusting that a certain group of people who have the right to wed those that they choose to are denying that same right people who have a different view than them. On top of that, they are then firing back at that community for boycotting their product and labelling them as intollerant for not respecting their opinion that is currently being enforced on this opressed population.
The only thing that thye aren't tolerant of is Intolerance themselves!
Let's pretend for a second that being gay was normal. Instead of sex, for procreation, we had the ability to create children by other means. You grow up and are 'different', attracted to women instead of men. You don't know why you have this attraction, you just do.
Now let's also pretend that you love said a certain person of the opposite sex, and wish to get married to them. Unfortunately there are laws in place that prevent you from doing so, and are only their because of past religious beliefss that you are forced to abide by, despite not believing in them yourself.
Now lets also pretend that this place you live in stands up for equasl rights in every isue of race, religion, etc... but for some reason forces you to have less of a right than everyone else, when it comes to your choice of picking a life partner. Now you are openly fighting for your right to equality, and are getting opposition from people who would not be affected at all by your decision to marry a woman.
Would you be tolerant to these people's opinions?
Now flash back to the real world and understand that it is unfair, and actually pretty disgusting that a certain group of people who have the right to wed those that they choose to are denying that same right people who have a different view than them. On top of that, they are then firing back at that community for boycotting their product and labelling them as intollerant for not respecting their opinion that is currently being enforced on this opressed population. - mfreedman
Wow, you just don't get it do you.
The issue I've been defending Dan Cathy on, is his first amendment rights of freedom of Religion and freedom of speech, whether I agree with his Religion or what he says in an interview.
I have purposely not sided with any other issues being discussed in this thread.
I know you want to "pretend" and "spin" examples to get to say what you want me to say on these other issues.............but I'm not going to, because the pertinent issue is Dan Cathy's constitutional right to free speech and right to his religion.
It does not matter what "issue" he was talking about in the interview(s) that got the gay community and the progressive left all upset.
The only thing that I've been trying to get across to those who want him to change his beliefs and accept theirs, is that he is protected under the Constitution of the USA to be right or wrong about any issue he decides to talk about.
It's that simple, and not need to invent some convoluted parallel universe to where mice chase cats and pigs fly, to find someway to prove your point. We all live in this reality and if you can't make your point dealing in it, then just let people who you disagree with go their own way and leave them alone with you see as a "wrong" view on any given issue.
By the way, you seem to believe "one group" is denying "another group" the "right" to get married.
There is NO "right" to get married in the USA, so your premise is kinda full of holes.
For Dan Cathy's sake, I hope he isn't wealthy. 
