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steelydan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 04.16.2009

Jul 27 @ 1:12 PM ET
Also, consider what we got for JVR. Ryan is a little more established than JVR, but I think that is a better comparable than the Nash trade.
- TheGreat28


Ugh. Even after a few weeks, I feel we got fleeced in that deal.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 27 @ 1:13 PM ET
Ugh. Even after a few weeks, I feel we got fleeced in that deal.
- steelydan

canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Jul 27 @ 1:14 PM ET
N = ( R* x fp x ne x fl x fi x fc) x L
- phi1671




stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Jul 27 @ 1:15 PM ET
Doan percentages plz
- Crimsoninja


Flyers 2%
Others 98%
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 27 @ 1:16 PM ET
I never really ragged on soccer itself. I just don't like how they say nill. I think it's annoying

Not a huge fan of soccer, but I watch the World Cup and the Olympics.

And for the record...tennis is so much fun.

- Giroux_Is_God

They say nil in England because they don't say zero a lot. It's like them going A to zed, not A to Z, or calling television hosts television presenters.

Soccer as a whole doesn't say nil, but in the U.S. the announcers are really stupid. So they do what the Brits do, even though they don't wear jumpers when it's cold.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 27 @ 1:17 PM ET


The Flyers did, indeed, steal that song from the Union.

- Giroux_Is_God

I love it. It's perky!
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jul 27 @ 1:17 PM ET
Flyers 2%
Others 98%

- stveshdy

crap
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 27 @ 1:18 PM ET
You know, I can't believe one person didn't comment on Giroux saying that Crosby broke his wrist.

Was that already discussed and I missed it?
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Jul 27 @ 1:18 PM ET
crap
- Crimsoninja

You asked!
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jul 27 @ 1:18 PM ET
crap
- Crimsoninja

Doan stop believin'
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jul 27 @ 1:19 PM ET


Might as well bring back Parent/Krajicek/Syvret/Bartulis

- TheGreat28



Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 27 @ 1:25 PM ET
Doan stop believin'
- feelingkettle




ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no !
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Jul 27 @ 1:26 PM ET
You know, I can't believe one person didn't comment on Giroux saying that Crosby broke his wrist.

Was that already discussed and I missed it?

- TheGreat28



i said during round one that crosby was hacking the poop out of his wrists because it was all over the media that he had at least one injured one

the first time i heard the term fractured being used was just today
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jul 27 @ 1:27 PM ET
Joe Yerdon‏@JoeYerdonPHT

Jets reach an extension with Toby Enstrom. He’ll forever be Tobias to me. “Don’t leave your Uncle T-bag hanging!”
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 27 @ 1:28 PM ET
Cross Tobias Enstrom off the list.

Anthony Mingioni RT'd @PwilliamsNHL that he was extended by the Jets

Damn...Leight and Laught
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 27 @ 1:32 PM ET
i said during round one that crosby was hacking the poop out of his wrists because it was all over the media that he had at least one injured one

the first time i heard the term fractured being used was just today

- Don'tForgetTocchet


http://www.timminspress.c...giroux-a-modest-superstar

“Those are from (Sidney) Crosby,” he says half smiling, but with some tension in his voice. “Every time we'd line up against each other for a face-off during our (2012 playoff) series, instead of going for the puck when it was dropped, he'd hack me across the wrists. I ended up playing the series against (New) Jersey with one of them fractured and had to go for surgery on both of them after we were out of the playoffs.”
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 27 @ 1:34 PM ET
Joe Yerdon‏@JoeYerdonPHT

Jets reach an extension with Toby Enstrom. He’ll forever be Tobias to me. “Don’t leave your Uncle T-bag hanging!”

- nastyflyergirl


eshake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.20.2009

Jul 27 @ 1:38 PM ET
Simply because Bobby Ryan isn't that good of a player to command that number of assets. Your assiging values to the players given up in the deal that are false values. Read scored 25 goals last year. Look around the NHL and see how many players each team had that scored that many goals. And your labeling Meszaros as a 3rd pair defenseman. Meszaros is a top 4 defenseman in this League. Capable of playing 20 minutes plus a game, and providing offense. Laughton was a first round pick.

If you think Ryan is worth all that, your vastly overrating him as a player.

- MJL


how am i assigning "false values". i'm stating what value they have to the Philadelphia flyers.

on the Flyers, Matt Read is 3rd line forward. on the Flyers, Andres Mezaros is a 3rd pairing dman. the first round picks are what they are to the Flyers.

other teams see that too...it alters their trade value for sure
tomburton99
New York Rangers
Location: NYR distrust, NJ
Joined: 07.13.2009

Jul 27 @ 1:41 PM ET
i said during round one that crosby was hacking the poop out of his wrists because it was all over the media that he had at least one injured one

the first time i heard the term fractured being used was just today

- Don'tForgetTocchet

did you see giroux playing pong with two casts on? Boss right their.
TheGreat28
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Chadds Ford, PA
Joined: 06.20.2010

Jul 27 @ 1:41 PM ET
how am i assigning "false values". i'm stating what value they have to the Philadelphia flyers.

on the Flyers, Matt Read is 3rd line forward. on the Flyers, Andres Mezaros is a 3rd pairing dman. the first round picks are what they are to the Flyers.

other teams see that too...it alters their trade value for sure

- eshake


The value to trading partner is what matters, not where they play on the current team. For example, Columbus sees Dubinsky much differently than the Rangers.

Also, you are assuming line combinations. The Flyers could easily have Read on 1st line and Mesz with Timonen as 1st pair D at some point this year.
eshake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.20.2009

Jul 27 @ 1:43 PM ET
I think everyone is in agreement, crazy.
- steelydan


hate to be the 12th angry man...but now you're being ridiculous.

say what you want about the Mezaros inclusion...but not doing it for a 7th NHL defenseman is a joke

name the last player the flyers had on their team that scored more than 30 goals in 4 straight seasons. that is a LEGIT asset that the flyers don't have and they want to get.

and if they want to trade their lower tier players ON THEIR TEAM to get it....how is it crazy?
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Jul 27 @ 1:43 PM ET
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no !
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Hold on to that feeling
nastyflyergirl
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: this space for rent, PA
Joined: 09.19.2006

Jul 27 @ 1:44 PM ET

- LordStanley88



I second that
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Jul 27 @ 1:44 PM ET
"You're simply the best, around"

"And no one's ever going to bring you down"
eshake
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.20.2009

Jul 27 @ 1:44 PM ET
The value to trading partner is what matters, not where they play on the current team. For example, Columbus sees Dubinsky much differently than the Rangers.

Also, you are assuming line combinations. The Flyers could easily have Read on 1st line and Mesz with Timonen as 1st pair D at some point this year.

- TheGreat28


what i'm saying is, in negotiation that value to the Flyers comes into play. it has too.

and also, if Matt Read is playing the first line...then the flyers are in trouble.
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