Mark me down as saying Doan and a reasonable trade for BUFs Leopald would make me satisfied with this off season.

did you see giroux playing pong with two casts on? Boss right their.
- tomburton99

Yeah. But they never said one was broken. Only that he needed surgery on them.

One question. How can Rookie who has played one NHL Season, prove that he can be consistent in that production?
- MJL

HE CAN'T...and unfortunately for Read, he doen't have the pedigree or hype that a Schenn had when they traded for him. it works against him for his trade value coming out of left field.

might not be fair but it's true

i would actually put it something like this

we should trade for a given (Bobby Ryan top line winger with 30 goal scoring ability and physical prowes)

for question marks (2 unproven and unselected picks and lower tier players on my depth chart who could regress in their play from 2011-2012 season)

i'm sorry if it's looking like i'm "hating" on Matt Read...i love him as a player. and i like Mezaros.

having Bobby Ryan on your team creates for more constant scoring pressure and potential at 5 on 5 than having both Matt Read and Mezaros on the ice.
- eshake

It isn't just hating on Matt Read. It's also completely underrating the other assets that are along with it. Your assesment of every asset in the deal is off base.

And your last statement completely overrates Bobby Ryan.

And your last statement completely overrates Bobby Ryan.
- MJL

scouting reports proved by production and play?

he is what i stated he is

One question. How can Rookie who has played one NHL Season, prove that he can be consistent in that production?
- MJL

Exactly.

That is why his trade value is not skyhigh. No one knows what they have in Read.

i like b ryan, but in a couple of years we have to pay giroux, schenn, and couturier. how many 5-8 million dollar forwards can we afford?

I agree anything more then Read plus picks and prospects is an over payment. That said, it is only fair, to point out that Matt Read, IMHO, has a "moderate" trade value right now. He is on a great deal with his entry level, put up great numbers and played the PK. He is also smaller, not overly physical mostly due to his size, and not proven he can be consistent in that production yet. I do not agree with the poster that he will not materialize, who knows. But his value is not skyhigh nor worthless. It is moderate. That is why I would say with 2 other quality young assets it is fair value for Ryan. Read, MAB, 1st. Of some recombination like that.
- coffee junkie

Neither is Kane, St. Louis or Skinner, to name a few. Not saying Read is/will be as good as them, but I won't write him off either because of his size.

scouting reports proved by production and play?

he is what i stated he is
- eshake

No, he is not that good of a player that he can offset the loss of a top 4 defenseman, and a quality 2 way winger in Matt Read. Not to mention offset the loss of two very valuable assets in Laughton and a 1st round pick.

i like b ryan, but in a couple of years we have to pay giroux, schenn, and couturier. how many 5-8 million dollar forwards can we afford?
- Don'tForgetTocchet

at this point neither Schenn or Couturier have prove themselves worthy of 5mil

not saying they can't...or they won't...but they haven't. let's not put the cart before the horse

Exactly.

That is why his trade value is not skyhigh. No one knows what they have in Read.
- coffee junkie

I think we saw last year what we've got in Read.

at this point neither Schenn or Couturier have prove themselves worthy of 5mil

not saying they can't...or they won't...but they haven't. let's not put the cart before the horse
- eshake

And it's not realistic to project that they will be at some point? Or are they unproven assets also?

Read is COMPLETELY overrated. He's a fast skater, decent 2 way player, 25ish goal scoring sniper, money on shootouts, and possesses good hockey smarts. And he only costs about 800k.

What a useless scrub.


- Giroux_Is_God

Flyers have him 2 more years at 900K. That is tremendous value that you don't just give away. If you keep Read and pass on Ryan you have an extra $4.2 Million, Laughton, MAB and a 1st rd pick to use to improve. Stay pat Homer!

i would actually put it something like this

we should trade for a given (Bobby Ryan top line winger with 30 goal scoring ability and physical prowes)

for question marks (2 unproven and unselected picks and lower tier players on my depth chart who could regress in their play from 2011-2012 season)
i'm sorry if it's looking like i'm "hating" on Matt Read...i love him as a player. and i like Mezaros.

having Bobby Ryan on your team creates for more constant scoring pressure and potential at 5 on 5 than having both Matt Read and Mezaros on the ice.
- eshake

So if that is your assessment of the players involved going back to Anaheim... why in the world would Anaheim do that deal for the "Great" Bobby Ryan?

No, he is not that good of a player that he can offset the loss of a top 4 defenseman, and a quality 2 way winger in Matt Read. Not to mention offset the loss of two very valuable assets in Laughton and a 1st round pick.
- MJL

first off, i disagree. the guy is a FORCE and GAME CHANGER at the forward position.

and second, even the fact that Mezaros COULD play top 4 (he doesn't project that in the 2012-2013 season for the Flyers), his 4mil salary DECREASES his trade value and makes him even more important for the $ matching of this trade.

So if that is your assessment of the players involved going back to Anaheim... why in the world would Anaheim do that deal for the "Great" Bobby Ryan?
- lindros8888

Exactly!Great point.

HE CAN'T...and unfortunately for Read, he doen't have the pedigree or hype that a Schenn had when they traded for him. it works against him for his trade value coming out of left field.

might not be fair but it's true
- eshake

In some respects you are correct. A while back I argued that a package that include Read and Gus and Bob would be devalued because they were undrafted, so I do agree with it.

But would the Rangers trade Giradi right now for less because he was undrafted. How about Purcell, Kunitz or Dupuis?

Read will have the most value to the Flyers right now. Next offseason, his value might be a lot higher with another 25 goal season.

So if that is your assessment of the players involved going back to Anaheim... why in the world would Anaheim do that deal for the "Great" Bobby Ryan?
- lindros8888

never said the flyers are raping ANA with this. it's closer to an EVEN trade...not the "scoff at the notion" debacle many here are making it out to be

gimme a break dude
- eshake

Why?? You don't agree?

Have you seen his snap shot with that quick release? I'd say that's a sniper's shot, definitely. Of Stamkos caliber? Not even close. But a sniper nonetheless.

Exactly!Great point.
- MJL

see above you crazy guy!

Read is COMPLETELY overrated. He's a fast skater, decent 2 way player, 25ish goal scoring sniper, money on shootouts, and possesses good hockey smarts. And he only costs about 800k.

What a useless scrub.


- Giroux_Is_God

You rock!

first off, i disagree. the guy is a FORCE and GAME CHANGER at the forward position.

and second, even the fact that Mezaros COULD play top 4 (he doesn't project that in the 2012-2013 season for the Flyers), his 4mil salary DECREASES his trade value and makes him even more important for the $ matching of this trade.
- eshake

Bobby Ryan is not at that level. He's the 4th best Forward on his own team.

And why exactly doesn't he project to playing in the top 4 in 12-13? Your far too hung up on assigning an arbitrary number to where a player plays, versus looking at how a player is used. And 4M for a defenseman of Meszaros caliber today, is a pretty good deal. Your points are off base in every category.

i like b ryan, but in a couple of years we have to pay giroux, schenn, and couturier. how many 5-8 million dollar forwards can we afford?
- Don'tForgetTocchet

Case closed

In some respects you are correct. A while back I argued that a package that include Read and Gus and Bob would be devalued because they were undrafted, so I do agree with it.

But would the Rangers trade Giradi right now for less because he was undrafted. How about Purcell, Kunitz or Dupuis?

Read will have the most value to the Flyers right now. Next offseason, his value might be a lot higher with another 25 goal season.
- TheGreat28

i don't think it's as much he was UNDRAFTED as that he came out of NOWHERE...no scouting reports really from other pro teams (AHL) other than his BRIEF stint w/ the Phantoms.

never said the flyers are raping ANA with this. it's closer to an EVEN trade...not the "scoff at the notion" debacle many here are making it out to be
- eshake

You would have to try really hard to come up with a bigger debacle then that trade suggestion. It's utterly ridiculous.