sweet, i'll let Snider know your talents are being wasted at the moment in whatever you're doing.

get HOMER OUT OF THERE
- eshake

It's about time somebody noticed my prowess!!

I agree.

And I'll take that any day of the week.
- Giroux_Is_God

I would like to be optimistic with Read as well. And certainly if Homer is offering him in trades that is what he is pushing but if I am another teams GM I do not value Read as a given 25 goal guy and great two way player (yet). To suggest that is his size (the examples of size not effecting a players value were not the norm they were exceptions) and only being in the league 1 year as an older rookie doesn't slightly devalue his trade value is silly. We will have to agree to disagree, hopefully I am wrong and other GMs are lining up out the door if Homer is indeed going to trade him. I'm obviously high on Read and would prefer the Flyers keep him but I also don't think his trade value is as high as his performance would suggest from last year.

Dustin Leed ‏@D_LEED

RT @dshoalts: Shane Doan wants $30-million over four years if he leaves Phoenix Coyotes, source says. That will scare off more thanRed Wings


...I know who it wont scare off
- aosplayo

Too steep.

next season and a few seasons are 2 different things when it comes to rookie players.
- eshake

Why are we talking about next season when they're both still under contract for 2 more seasons? That's what I meant when I said "in a few years".

i'm glad you're all having a hoot then.



- eshake

eshake: no worries, it's all your opinion and that's what a message board is all about. It's always nice to read another angle even if other think it's laughable, comical, useless, priceless, overreaching, makes sense, dead on or on point. I forgot mistaken too.

and don't forget spicy

Why are we talking about next season when they're both still under contract for 2 more seasons? That's what I meant when I said "in a few years".
- Giroux_Is_God

because the board shifts to "serious" mode riddled with this and that...

Too steep.
- jstross

Well yea, but comon, thats not gonna stop Homer...if he can get Doan and overpay and get to keep his assets over a Ryan trade I think hed rather do that

I would like to be optimistic with Read as well. And certainly if Homer is offering him in trades that is what he is pushing but if I am another teams GM I do not value Read as a given 25 goal guy and great two way player (yet). To suggest that is his size (the examples of size not effecting a players value were not the norm they were exceptions) and only being in the league 1 year as an older rookie doesn't slightly devalue his trade value is silly. We will have to agree to disagree, hopefully I am wrong and other GMs are lining up out the door if Homer is indeed going to trade him. I'm obviously high on Read and would prefer the Flyers keep him but I also don't think his trade value is as high as his performance would suggest from last year.
- coffee junkie

I agree with this completely. That works in our favor. Don't trade him!

opcp

Too steep, but that would be 4 good lines.


hartnell/G/Voracek
Simmons/Schenn/Briere
Read/Couts/Doan
Wellwood/Talbeit/Fedetenko

Rinaldo/Sestito/Shelly

eshake: no worries, it's all your opinion and that's what a message board is all about. It's always nice to read another angle even if other think it's laughable, comical, useless, priceless, overreaching, makes sense, dead on or on point.

and don't forget spicy
- phi1671

right on. everyone's usually really respectful when it happens anyway.

we're all just trying to make the weekend happen faster

Hmmm, mood?

Too steep.
- jstross

7.5 per??? Damn! What has this league come to?

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Shane Doan ($7.500m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.750m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Tom Sestito ($0.605m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Jordan Leopold ($3.000m)
Bruno Gervais ($0.825m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Michael Leighton ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS
Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,409,444; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster):- $209,444

If you hold out Schenn for a game, LTI Pronger and trade assets only for Leopald it would work for next year.....signing RFA players beyond this year?????

I would like to be optimistic with Read as well. And certainly if Homer is offering him in trades that is what he is pushing but if I am another teams GM I do not value Read as a given 25 goal guy and great two way player (yet). To suggest that is his size (the examples of size not effecting a players value were not the norm they were exceptions) and only being in the league 1 year as an older rookie doesn't slightly devalue his trade value is silly. We will have to agree to disagree, hopefully I am wrong and other GMs are lining up out the door if Homer is indeed going to trade him. I'm obviously high on Read and would prefer the Flyers keep him but I also don't think his trade value is as high as his performance would suggest from last year.
- coffee junkie

All of this is why it would be unwise to include Read in a trade package. Why give him away for pennies on the dollar when we can benefit from his full value by keeping him on the roster?

Why are we talking about next season when they're both still under contract for 2 more seasons? That's what I meant when I said "in a few years".
- Giroux_Is_God

yeah, that's my point. with rookies, there is too much potential for a lapse in their development (sorry for the oxymoron)...especially for a guy as young as Couturier. you don't usually get your BIG contract until the second upgrade (see Giroux)

Hmmm, mood?
- stveshdy

don't know...some say comical filled with laughter...others say serious with an authoratative undertone...

who knows...is this day over with yet...LOL

yeah, that's my point. with rookies, there is too much potential for a lapse in their development (sorry for the oxymoron)...especially for a guy as young as Couturier. you don't usually get your BIG contract until the second upgrade (see Giroux)
- eshake

at the same time, if you lost the young guys and bring in high price guys then now you are back to juggling the cap. although the flyers do it all the time. but right now the low cap hits are helping the flyers and along with that the low hits are good players.

Couturier is the 3rd line center and top shutdown center CURRENTLY on the flyers. that's a much higher need to the team, so his value is higher to Holmgren (as proven by his name being on the DO NOT TOUCH list)
- eshake

Your mistaken if you think that the current role Couturier plays on the Flyers is what sets his trade value.

Dustin Leed ‏@D_LEED

RT @dshoalts: Shane Doan wants $30-million over four years if he leaves Phoenix Coyotes, source says. That will scare off more thanRed Wings


...I know who it wont scare off
- aosplayo

I would tell Doans agent to beat it.

7.5 per??? Damn! What has this league come to?

FORWARDS
Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / Claude Giroux ($3.750m) / Shane Doan ($7.500m)
Brayden Schenn ($3.110m) / Danny Briere ($6.500m) / Jakub Voracek ($4.250m)
Wayne Simmonds ($1.750m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Ruslan Fedotenko ($1.750m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m) / Tom Sestito ($0.605m)
Zac Rinaldo ($0.544m) /
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Andrej Meszaros ($4.000m)
Braydon Coburn ($4.500m) / Nicklas Grossmann ($3.500m)
Luke Schenn ($3.600m) / Jordan Leopold ($3.000m)
Bruno Gervais ($0.825m) /
GOALTENDERS
Ilya Bryzgalov ($5.667m)
Michael Leighton ($0.900m)
BUYOUTS
Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
------
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS (follow @capgeek on Twitter)
(these totals are compiled without the bonus cushion)
SALARY CAP: $70,200,000; CAP PAYROLL: $70,409,444; BONUSES: $2,705,000
CAP SPACE (22-man roster):- $209,444

If you hold out Schenn for a game, LTI Pronger and trade assets only for Leopald it would work for next year.....signing RFA players beyond this year?????
- coffee junkie

Wellwood>Sestito

I would tell Doans agent to beat it.
- stveshdy

throw in it's 35+ deal....no thanks

throw in it's 35+ deal....no thanks
- phi1671

I like Doan and the way he plays but I would give him more than 3 years at 5M per year. Thats my max.

Doesn't matter anyways b/c I think he has less than a 5% chance of landing here.

killer. so when you've wiped the tears and said your "whew...", you'd hand over 5 mil contracts for multiple years to Couturier and Schenn today?
- eshake

did i say today or a few years from now? i already forget.

yeah, that's my point. with rookies, there is too much potential for a lapse in their development (sorry for the oxymoron)...especially for a guy as young as Couturier. you don't usually get your BIG contract until the second upgrade (see Giroux)
- eshake

And there are plenty who get a big contract right out of their EL deal. See Toews and Kane.

I would tell Doans agent to beat it.
- stveshdy

me too, but i dont thiink that number scares off the flyers