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isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 27 @ 8:57 AM ET
I said this a while back...we as Flyer fans are 100% spoiled that GM Homer, in the last few years have been able to make a splash in the offseason to make the team better. Because of that, I think the fan base believes its the norm versus allowing the team evolve.

this is the first time in a long time where I see a lot of promise and youth on the team and i would like to see what they can do...

- phi1671

the flyers have a pretty glaring need for a puck mover and while going into the season standing pat is reasonable, I don't expect homer to wait until after Xmas before addressing that position. I also think we need a shooter to emerge on the wing because we lost 2 of them in the off season. let's see what plays out.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 27 @ 8:58 AM ET
I agree with that but I think Shelley knows when to hold it in till it needs to happen. Zac just kinda goes in like a crazy mad man and doesnt seem to know when to fight or start something. Don't get me wrong I like Zac but I like Shelley bc he has rep and other players knows what will happen when he is out on the ice even if it is for 7 min a game
- Flyers_1488


What will happen? Shelley will fight the other team's heavyweight, and the guy who is taking runs at the skill guys will continue to do so.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 27 @ 8:59 AM ET
I agree with that but I think Shelley knows when to hold it in till it needs to happen. Zac just kinda goes in like a crazy mad man and doesnt seem to know when to fight or start something. Don't get me wrong I like Zac but I like Shelley bc he has rep and other players knows what will happen when he is out on the ice even if it is for 7 min a game
- Flyers_1488



I agree that Rinaldo needs to mature and become a little less of a hot head. But he's a better player then Shelley. Rinaldo can effect a game more then Shelley can.
bradleyc4
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the jewelry is still out
Joined: 01.16.2007

Jul 27 @ 8:59 AM ET
Even my fat ass cat knows that cap space and 2nd round picks make Homer uncomfortable. And we have both. Ryan is coming. If they could get him for Read and prospects/picks. I say welcome home son.
- Deasr1


If Anaheim backs off of their initial asking price of a 2nd line center +, then sure. But I don't see them doing that, especially with so few impact forwards available.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 27 @ 9:01 AM ET
Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: Voracek, Cap Space, Laviolette
- bmeltzer


after reading this, I feel a lot better. If they sign doan, i'm happy, if they don't, i'm happy too. They will be able to add probably a forward and defensmen and the deadline. haven't been able to do that in a while.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jul 27 @ 9:01 AM ET
the flyers have a pretty glaring need for a puck mover and while going into the season standing pat is reasonable, I don't expect homer to wait until after Xmas before addressing that position. I also think we need a shooter to emerge on the wing because we lost 2 of them in the off season. let's see what plays out.
- isaiah520



The Flyers right now have as much offensive firepower as any team in the League. We'll also see how other players such as Meszaros and Coburn do with the opportunities they are going to be given. Having a top 4 puck mover becoming available before Christmas isn't likely.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 27 @ 9:01 AM ET
I agree about the youth, but isn't it the norm to make a big splash? He ponied up 300 million dollars in the past 3 weeks for grade A talent......
- aosplayo

I think it is the norm for the way we used to be, but look at this team.

27 or under (bold over25!):
Giroux
Read
Simmonds
Voracek
SchennX2
Couts
MaB
Wellwood
Coburn
Grossmann
Meszy

Gusty
Harry Z
Rinaldo
Sestito
Gervais
Manning
Holmstrom


That means we have 19 players that are 27 or younger, 14 of which are 25 or younger!

I am really excited about the make up of this team.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 27 @ 9:02 AM ET
The Flyers right now have as much offensive firepower as any team in the League. We'll also see how other players such as Meszaros and Coburn do with the opportunities they are going to be given. Having a top 4 puck mover becoming available before Christmas isn't likely.
- MJL

The Flyers have 8 potential 20 goal guys.
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jul 27 @ 9:02 AM ET
If Anaheim backs off of their initial asking price of a 2nd line center +, then sure. But I don't see them doing that, especially with so few impact forwards available.
- bradleyc4

That is my hope. I like Doan a lot. A whole lot. But I just don't want that crazy contract on this roster. He will be severely overpaid
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 27 @ 9:03 AM ET
Why? Rinaldo does take undisciplined penalties and has a target on his back, but he also brings speed and physical play that Shelley can't match. There were more occasions of a Rinaldo hit turning play and serving to fire up the troops than of Shelley fighting and accomplishing the same.
- Jsaquella

I could replay that hit on A-Train 30 times a day... Thing of beauty, especially after all the big hits he had thrown on Flyers.
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 27 @ 9:05 AM ET
The Flyers have 8 potential 20 goal guys.
- jak521


I'd say 9.

Who says Talbot can't repeat his 19?
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 27 @ 9:06 AM ET
Even my fat ass cat knows that cap space and 2nd round picks make Homer uncomfortable. And we have both. Ryan is coming. If they could get him for Read and prospects/picks. I say welcome home son.
- Deasr1


at this point, that's the only deal i'd do -- I wouldn't trade more than one roster player. I'm fine with Read on third line...but Ryan would be awesome to have. but not needed....just wanted.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 27 @ 9:06 AM ET
I'd say 9.

Who says Talbot can't repeat his 19?

- LordStanley88



19 is not 20, Eddie
LordStanley88
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.30.2012

Jul 27 @ 9:06 AM ET
If the Ducks asking price drops, I'm all for it. Read, Gus/MAB, and picks would be a fair deal IMO.

But no way am I including Jake, Simmonds, or Schenn. Not gonna happen.
Flyers_1488
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly , PA
Joined: 05.15.2012

Jul 27 @ 9:07 AM ET
I could replay that hit on A-Train 30 times a day... Thing of beauty, especially after all the big hits he had thrown on Flyers.
- jak521



What hit is that? I cant remember it. I would like to see it.
OrangeBlack27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i do, mike, PA
Joined: 06.29.2006

Jul 27 @ 9:07 AM ET
I am in full agreement. Ryan's a helluva player, but no need to overpay for him.
- Jsaquella


Agreed. And if I'm Bob Murray, that's what it's going to take for me to trade him away--a serious overpayment.
flyersfan51
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, NJ
Joined: 10.04.2006

Jul 27 @ 9:08 AM ET
I'd say 9.

Who says Talbot can't repeat his 19?

- LordStanley88


he said 20 goal scorers not 19 right?
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Jul 27 @ 9:08 AM ET
Glad to see we've got Jakub on board for multiple years. Is it hockey season yet?
bird_dog
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PEI
Joined: 09.30.2011

Jul 27 @ 9:09 AM ET
I wouldn't mind seeing Bob Ryan here but I also don't want to see Homer trade B Schenn or Jake to get him.
Read and MAB or Gus and a 2nd would be my max offer.
As others have stated, Ryan is more of a want than a need.
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Jul 27 @ 9:09 AM ET
If the Ducks asking price drops, I'm all for it. Read, Gus/MAB, and picks would be a fair deal IMO.

But no way am I including Jake, Simmonds, or Schenn. Not gonna happen.

- LordStanley88

Agreed. I don't think Homer would anyways. Read can play center if I'm not mistaken. I believe he did in college some. There's Anaheim's center
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 27 @ 9:11 AM ET
I'd say 9.

Who says Talbot can't repeat his 19?

- LordStanley88

I think we see him drop down to around 15...
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Jul 27 @ 9:16 AM ET
What hit is that? I cant remember it. I would like to see it.
- Flyers_1488

it was in the playoffs.. destroyed him with a perfectly clean and amazingly huge hit. Cant get youtube at work. Sorry.
isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Jul 27 @ 9:17 AM ET
lotta career years for the flyers last yr...not a lot of pure shooters. jagr created a lot of synergy that will be missed. kids can make up some of the difference.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 27 @ 9:17 AM ET
it was in the playoffs.. destroyed him with a perfectly clean and amazingly huge hit. Cant get youtube at work. Sorry.
- jak521

Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Jul 27 @ 9:19 AM ET
lotta career years for the flyers last yr...not a lot of pure shooters. jagr created a lot of synergy that will be missed. kids can make up some of the difference.
- isaiah520


I'm far more worried about losing Carle's puck moving ability. I think that offensively, once set in the zone, they will be fine.
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