I'm pumped about the prospect of watching Schenn develop into, hopefully, a shutdown blue-liner.

However, JVR is not a "press box casualty". That's insulting.
- LordStanley88

Agreed as to both.

Btw, when JVR retruns here o 10/27 no doubt he gets a big ovation. No doubt that there will be no one booing. Same for Jagr and Carle??? I think so for Jagr, not sure about Carle.

Agreed, that's troll talk, calling Schenn Elite and JVR basically a bust.

Both are good players.
- wolfos412

JVR could be a bust. He was a good fit on the Flyers I thought, but playing center could destroy his confidence even further.

I personally wouldn't have done the trade but on a situation basis only, I think Schenn could be better off than JVR.

JVR may be the next Recchi though....(not career wise) - in that we may see him in a Flyer uniform again some day.

Funny, but Luke Schenn was the one who was a healthy scratch last year at times, while van Riemsdyk played except when he was hurt.
- Jsaquella

Because of that Oaf Komisarek wearing the A and being one of Burkes signings, they were obligated to play him though he was a liability, and bench our better guys like Franson + Schenn.

Because of that Oaf Komisarek wearing the A and being one of Burkes signings, they were obligated to play him though he was a liability, and bench our better guys like Franson + Schenn.
- wolfos412

that's one guy I never hear a lot of leaf fans speak too highly of

Because of that Oaf Komisarek wearing the A and being one of Burkes signings, they were obligated to play him though he was a liability, and bench our better guys like Franson + Schenn.
- wolfos412

im curious what happened between phaneuf and schenn...heard he was riding the kid pretty hard. Interesting first game that will be next year.

JVR could be a bust. He was a good fit on the Flyers I thought, but playing center could destroy his confidence even further.

I personally wouldn't have done the trade but on a situation basis only, I think Schenn could be better off than JVR.

JVR may be the next Recchi though....(not career wise) - in that we may see him in a Flyer uniform again some day.
- Daman

As a Leaf fan I don't think he will be a Center for more than a handful of games, then he will be put on wing paired with Grabo and Kulemin and he will do fine I'm sure. Grabo consistantly puts up 20+ goals 50-60 points per year and makes JVR will benifit from it, and with Kulemin probably having a bounce back season that will only help.

hey, big_dion. big fan here.

jvr's production has been trending upwards each season and before he got all banged up this year, he was pacing towards 30 goals. since the leafs are lighter at forward than the flyers, i expect jvr will have the chance to do a lot more heavy lifting and hit 30.
- OrangeBlack27

yeah sounds about right, im just hoping he stays healthy, his skill isnt what worries me, just staying healthy and playing 75 games + a year.

schenn seems to be invulnerable, so i dont see him missing too many games, and i really do think he will be much more comfortable in Phili, especially with Brayden there...i think they will be a very tight squad.

that's one guy I never hear a lot of leaf fans speak too highly of
- JoeRussomanno

His only highlight reels are of his plays resulting in goals against his team.

and he's slow as molasses.

schenn will be a force.

with some coaching and work on his game, he will progress further this year than he did with Ron Wilson who is a horrible coach, i dont care what anyone says, or stats say.

Luke will lay some of the biggest hits you have ever seen, and on top of that isnt afraid to fight anyone...he isnt the best fighter, but because he is so big and strong he usually just manhandles the opponent..thunder chucking them around if you may..

gluck, i hope schenn services you well, and for our sake i hope JVR stays healthy, we need him to have an impact.
- big_dion

I was one of those who did not want to see JvR leave. I also though we were short changed in the deal, that we should have received a pick or two in return only because I believed in JvR's huge potential. That was no comment on Schenn, but an endorsement on James.

The NHL landscape has been historically littered with big forwards (I'm not sure if I'd label JvR a pure power forward, but with a few years and pounds, who knows) who do not develop until their mid to late twenties. I was expecting this for JvR and hoped the Flyers would be a little patient with him.

IMHO, he's got a world of talent, showing glimpses throughout his short career. He has great speed, terrific hands for a big man, and a great shot. When gets his legs moving under him, he's a load to stop.

Unfortunately, with big forwards, as with young defenseman, it's their second team who reap the benefits of their talent. Too often, the team that drafts them gets a bit overanxious, for lack of a better word, and moves them before they realize their full potential. Hopefully, this is the case for both JvR and Schenn. Hopefully, very soon it'll turn out to be a great deal for both clubs.

His only highlight reels are of him directly resulting in goals against his team.
- wolfos412

so he's your matt carle or he really is that bad?

It was a good trade for both teams: our disappointment for your disappointment.

In the short term, my guess is that it will look like Philly has won this deal, simply because Schenn will be playing with the better team. He seems like a good kid, and I sincerely hope he does well. But unless he can improve his footspeed, I don't ever see him living up to the hype that surrounded him when drafted.

And puhhhhlease, can we stop with the "brings leadership" nonsense? He is 22 years old.

At 22 years old, it is not your job to provide "leadership" to an NHL dressing room. It's your job to do what the leaders ask you to do.

Let's not pile unreasonable expectations on the kid.

That's the job of Toronto fans.

im curious what happened between phaneuf and schenn...heard he was riding the kid pretty hard. Interesting first game that will be next year.
- Philly1980

looking forward to Phaneuf and Hartsy as well

im curious what happened between phaneuf and schenn...heard he was riding the kid pretty hard. Interesting first game that will be next year.
- Philly1980

I believe Dion liked him, but rode him hard because of his potential and chose the wrong way to get him to play better. As captain he saw a young stud D-man struggling and probably tried to motivate the wrong way and possibly created friction. I don't think Phaneuf disliked Schenn.

The Phillies should sign Shea Weber to an offer sheet
- Jsaquella

10/350 mill

looking forward to Phaneuf and Hartsy as well
- FlyersFirst

How bout phaneuf and l schenn. They don't like each other they will go at it

How bout phaneuf and l schenn. They don't like each other they will go at it
- griouxmvp2012

What showed they didn't like eachother?

What showed they didn't like eachother?
- wolfos412

they misspelled each other's name.

they misspelled each other's name.
- JoeRussomanno

A very servicable, good guy. 21 year NHL career 1,400+ games not too shabby.
- wolfos412

He had an interesting 5 years as a Flyer. He came here as a UFA on a 5-year deal and had a very underwhelming first 2 years. After his second year in Philly, he had some kind of meeting with management. Whatever took place really worked. He was a very solid player his final 3 years here and wore the logo proudly.

He wasn't a great fighter and probably lost more than he won but was tough as nails and backed away from no one, epscially in defense of a teammate. All in all, most Flyers fans can reflect very positively on his time here.

I am not trolling just read the article. I have never been a big fan of Schenn since the beginning. Drafting a defensive Dman so high in the draft is a wasted pick. Especially if you see the other D that went after him. Of course that is not his fault.

Luke is a great character guy, who is physical. He will stand up for teammates whenever he can. His skill is very limited and right now he needs to work on his footspeed and positioning. He also panics a lot in his own end, but just needs to settle down and he will be OK.

One thing in the article which made me laugh was his "heavy shot." That is not the case at all, his shot is actually brutal. You will be frustrated by how weak it is.

In the end on Philly he will fit in just fine! Good luck to Luke & Philly.

I am not trolling just read the article. I have never been a big fan of Schenn since the beginning. Drafting a defensive Dman so high in the draft is a wasted pick. Especially if you see the other D that went after him. Of course that is not his fault.

Luke is a great character guy, who is physical. He will stand up for teammates whenever he can. His skill is very limited and right now he needs to work on his footspeed and positioning. He also panics a lot in his own end, but just needs to settle down and he will be OK.

One thing in the article which made me laugh was his "heavy shot." That is not the case at all, his shot is actually brutal. You will be frustrated by how weak it is.

In the end on Philly he will fit in just fine! Good luck to Luke & Philly.
- jsam7

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. His shot is average it does not stand out. It is not powerful like you said yes, but he still manages to score 5-7 goals a year. I wouldn't call that brutal for a Defensive Dman.

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration. His shot is average it does not stand out. It is not powerful like you said yes, but he still manages to score 5-7 goals a year. I wouldn't call that brutal for a Defensive Dman.
- wolfos412

His shot is below average. And why does everyone keep saying he scores 5-7 goals? Here are his numbers..... 2, 5, 5, 2

Luke Richardson was of that variety.
- BOSS_TWEED

IMO, the Luke Richardson comparisons from people up in Toronto come off as a bit lazy... sure, both guys were high picks of the Leafs and didn't meet expectations right away, and both guys are big and named Luke, but here's the difference:

Richardson put up a lot of points in junior and was expected to bring that element to the show -- that never happened, hence the massive underachievement. Schenn, on the other hand, has pretty much been able to translate much of his WHL game to the NHL, which is a good sign for things to come, and is a testament to his hockey sense.

It's interesting to note that Schenn was never a big scorer in junior, but he already has more 20+ point seasons to his record than Richardson managed in 1400+ NHL games. There's absolutely no reason to think that he won't continue that level of production, and when you consider all the shot blocking and hitting that he brings, there's really not that much to complain about at this point.

Sure, he could maybe learn to be a bit more patient defensively -- most physical young dmen are guilty of running around a bit until they learn to get the junior out of them. He's never been described as having anything other than an exemplary attitude and being completely coachabe, so there's probably no Phaneufian aspect to worry about.

His skating isn't as bad as people let on -- north-south he's fine. He does turn like a battleship and he doesn't have the best first step, but there's no shortage of current-day NHL defensmen that have had to overcome those same kinds of limitations by honing their positioning and anticipation to compensate for lack of mobility. There's also no shortage of dmen that skate like Duncan Keith but can't crack an NHL lineup...

All in all, I'm really happy to have Schenn in the lineup -- he's definitely an upgrade over Carle defensively. Offensively, they should be able to make up the loss by committee, with Meszaros and Coburn fully capable of expanded roles on the attack.

I believe Dion liked him, but rode him hard because of his potential and chose the wrong way to get him to play better. As captain he saw a young stud D-man struggling and probably tried to motivate the wrong way and possibly created friction. I don't think Phaneuf disliked Schenn.
- wolfos412

Schenn certainly disliked Phaneuf by all reports. I thought that Schenn was actually developing pretty well. There seemed to be a definite turn down in his play when Phaneuf arrived on the scene.

Mark my words. TML will rue the day this deal was made.
Luke Schenn really is the next coming of Adam foote.
Luke was the right guy in the wrong place in the Wilson system. His confidence was absolutely destroyed.
Put in the right situation, with the right coach, and if Flyers forwards do any back checking at all, and slow the oppositions forwards down even slightly, then watch out! Schenn will line then up like ducks in a shooting galary Scott Stevens style.

I expect Luke will be top 4 if not top 2 for the flyers by years end.
He will never be a PP guy, or give you offense, but defensively he can be awesome.

It's unfortunate that Luke was dealt now, because I think a year under Carlyle and we would have seen his stock rise exponentially.