Well, this thread has gone off the rails early.
- MBFlyerfan

It's best just to stand back and leave the discussion to today's brain trust, methinks.

Serious question, wasn't Carle on one of your PP units? Who's going to replace him on the point? Last I checked Schenn isnt exactly an offensive dman.
- Rally_Shots

A healthy Meszaros may be able to fill that void.

Well, this thread has gone off the rails early.
- MBFlyerfan

Lets talk about stupid baseball and Phillies blowing it this year

he's listed at 6'2 and 183 pounds at 23 years of age. It would behoove him to put on about 15 pounds even if it isn't all muscle other wise he's gonna get shoved around like a rag doll the way he was against NJ. He's gotta hit the weights and at least improve his leg strength.
- JoeRussomanno

To be fair, Simmer wasn't the only guy getting thrown around by that beefy NJ D. Hartnell, Jagr, JvR, go on down the line... that Devils back-end was built for the playoff grind... is it any wonder that Homer proceeded to lock up Grossmann and deal for Luke Schenn?

And for a guy who probably actually weighs in closer to 175-180, Simmonds has incredible balance on his skates. He wouldn't score half the goals he does if he wasn't able to hold his own in front of the net, nor would he be be able to stand toe-to-toe w/ guys like Bickell and Brewer that outweight him by a good 30-40 lbs and come out above even more often than not.

Simmonds

A healthy Meszaros may be able to fill that void.
- BulliesPhan87

Interesting if true.

A healthy Meszaros may be able to fill that void.
- BulliesPhan87

Coburn used to see a lot of PP back in the day, too. Don't forget about him.

Serious question, wasn't Carle on one of your PP units? Who's going to replace him on the point? Last I checked Schenn isnt exactly an offensive dman.
- Rally_Shots

I hoping one of Mezzy, or Coburn can pick up some of that slack. Carle gets killed in here by certain portion of the fan base, but I think losing him was pretty frikkin horrible. Especially because, personally, I think the Flyers wasted time and effort trying to sign Parise and Suter to those ridiculous contracts everyone and their mother knew they wouldn't accept. They left Carle hanging out there and lost him.

The overall makeup of the defense has switched from puck moving to a more physical group. And now it will behoove the forwards to remember there is an extra 40 feet of ice behind them that they always forget about.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Lavy trot a forward out there on the point like Voracek or Read.

looks like ottawa used mesz on the PP...

http://sports.yahoo.com/n...edNOcKRdBKiiyY653dtJivLYF

the year ott went to the cup finals 24 of his 39 points were on the PP

I hoping one of Mezzy, or Coburn can pick up some of that slack. Carle gets killed in here by certain portion of the fan base, but I think losing him was pretty frikkin horrible. Especially because, personally, I think the Flyers wasted time and effort trying to sign Parise and Suter to those ridiculous contracts everyone and their mother knew they wouldn't accept. They left Carle hanging out there and lost him.

The overall makeup of the defense has switched from puck moving to a more physical group. And now it will behoove the forwards to remember there is an extra 40 feet of ice behind them that they always forget about.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Lavy trot a forward out there on the point like Voracek or Read.
- MBFlyerfan

yea, guessing the first unit with Timonen & Voracek on the points will stay the same...

I hoping one of Mezzy, or Coburn can pick up some of that slack. Carle gets killed in here by certain portion of the fan base, but I think losing him was pretty frikkin horrible. Especially because, personally, I think the Flyers wasted time and effort trying to sign Parise and Suter to those ridiculous contracts everyone and their mother knew they wouldn't accept. They left Carle hanging out there and lost him.

The overall makeup of the defense has switched from puck moving to a more physical group. And now it will behoove the forwards to remember there is an extra 40 feet of ice behind them that they always forget about.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Lavy trot a forward out there on the point like Voracek or Read.
- MBFlyerfan

Would you have wanted to keep Carle with the terms of the contract he signed? Or do you think they would have got him for less if they showed interest?

Would you have wanted to keep Carle with the terms of the contract he signed? Or do you think they would have got him for less if they showed interest?
- canadianpenfan

I'm not sure if they would have got him for less...but after seeing what the market bore compared to what he got, I definitely would have signed him. Even the 6 years didn't bother me.

Personally, I believe it was the biggest mistake Homer made in the off season.

I will also add that 10 times out of 10 I would rather have Carle at his cap hit over Suter at his cap hit.

I'm not sure if they would have got him for less...but after seeing what the market bore compared to what he got, I definitely would have signed him. Even the 6 years didn't bother me.

Personally, I believe it was the biggest mistake Homer made in the off season.
- MBFlyerfan

But had homer made that move and resigned Carle, it could have had a domino effect---he would then not have been able to OS Weber and then Weber might be playing in the East. Would you want THAT?!?!?

But had homer made that move and resigned Carle, it could have had a domino effect---he would then not have been able to OS Weber and then Weber might be playing in the East. Would you want THAT?!?!?
- FlyersFirst

I think Nashville showed Weber wasn't going anywhere when they matched that ridiculous offer.

But had homer made that move and resigned Carle, it could have had a domino effect---he would then not have been able to OS Weber and then Weber might be playing in the East. Would you want THAT?!?!?
- FlyersFirst

I don't think Weber was ever going anywhere.

I hoping one of Mezzy, or Coburn can pick up some of that slack. Carle gets killed in here by certain portion of the fan base, but I think losing him was pretty frikkin horrible. Especially because, personally, I think the Flyers wasted time and effort trying to sign Parise and Suter to those ridiculous contracts everyone and their mother knew they wouldn't accept. They left Carle hanging out there and lost him. The overall makeup of the defense has switched from puck moving to a more physical group. And now it will behoove the forwards to remember there is an extra 40 feet of ice behind them that they always forget about.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Lavy trot a forward out there on the point like Voracek or Read.
- MBFlyerfan

Thats a good point with the makeup of the Flyers defense.

I've never been a fan of using a forward at the point on the PP. Not worth the risk of giving up an odd man rush for the occasional play made in the offensive zone. Just my 5 cents.

Thats a good point with the makeup of the Flyers defense.

I've never been a fan of using a forward at the point on the PP. Not worth the risk of giving up an odd man rush for the occasional play made in the offensive zone. Just my 5 cents.
- Rally_Shots

Yes, that seems to be the standard reason. It also happens to be a legitimate reason. The Flyers were somewhat successful using Voracek last season. And a guy who can skate like that will be somewhat more fitting than a guy who is used to skating forward all of the time.

Voracek is the best skater on the team, one of the best skaters in the league as far as I am concerned. If anyone will be good back there it will be him.

let's get back on topic folks
- Crimsoninja

shall we discuss the banana throwing incident?

Yes, that seems to be the standard reason. It also happens to be a legitimate reason. The Flyers were somewhat successful using Voracek last season. And a guy who can skate like that will be somewhat more fitting than a guy who is used to skating forward all of the time.

Voracek is the best skater on the team, one of the best skaters in the league as far as I am concerned. If anyone will be good back there it will be him.
- MBFlyerfan

It's not even so much about skating. I find the forwards at the point often dont know when to pinch and when to play back and often get stuck unable to decide and that indecisiveness costs them in the end.

he did that in LA and he'll continue here, but he's primarily an ectomorph an he'll tend to have trouble keeping weight on.
- isaiah520

I'm not sure what that word means, but I think I have an idea of what it means. His body type isn't the type to carry a lot of weight. And I don't really see his weight as an issue. It would definitely help. But I don't see it having anything to do with his play in the playoffs.

It's not even so much about skating. I find the forwards at the point often dont know when to pinch and when to play back and often get stuck unable to decide and that indecisiveness costs them in the end.
- Rally_Shots

All true, but hockey sense comes in to play as well. Ideally Meszaros or Coburn steps up their games.

All true, but hockey sense comes in to play as well. Ideally Meszaros or Coburn steps up their games.
- MBFlyerfan

I remember posting about Coburn after the 07-08 Season where he registered 36 points. I envisioned a possible 50 point Season for Coburn in the future. That Season, Coburn averaged 2:28 a game on the PP, and put up 15 PP points that Season. Which is more then the 12 PP points Carle registered last Season. And then again in 08-09, Coburn averaged about the same amount of time on the PP, and registered 11 PP points. Slowly but surely, Coburn's PP time got less and less as the Seasons went on. Probably a combination of the Flyers adding players such as Carle and Pronger. But Coburn has shown in the past that he has some offensive ability. I don't know if he can get it back, as he has been developed as more of a defensive defenseman and PKer. But he has the talent. Same with Meszaros. Now all they have to do is go out on the ice and do it.

I remember posting about Coburn after the 07-08 Season where he registered 36 points. I envisioned a possible 50 point Season for Coburn in the future. That Season, Coburn averaged 2:28 a game on the PP, and put up 15 PP points that Season. Which is more then the 12 PP points Carle registered last Season. And then again in 08-09, Coburn averaged about the same amount of time on the PP, and registered 11 PP points. Slowly but surely, Coburn's PP time got less and less as the Seasons went on. Probably a combination of the Flyers adding players such as Carle and Pronger. But Coburn has shown in the past that he has some offensive ability. I don't know if he can get it back, as he has been developed as more of a defensive defenseman and PKer. But he has the talent. Same with Meszaros. Now all they have to do is go out on the ice and do it.
- MJL

I still think we will miss Carle moving the puck and his first pass out of the d zone. Our talent at D is great, but the mix isnt as good as of last year IMO.

shall we discuss the banana throwing incident?
- watsonnostaw

Is each eastern conference team sending a troll to our board?

Troll Friday?

Happy Friday Trolls!

Is each eastern conference team sending a troll to our board?

Troll Friday?

Happy Friday Trolls!
- Daman

ty that guy needs 2 b dealt w/