And you of course have a few links to share that show the financial difficulties of the Predators right? And not just a link that says hockey revenue but combined investment revenue. B/c here is the truth. Nashville lost b/w 5-7 million last year on hockey revenue depending on what site you use. And that factored in about 3 million in extraordinary costs associated with improvements to the arena and boards. However, they made 15 million on non hockey revenue. i.e., non hockey events at the arena. Keep in mind the Bridgestone arena is the 5th busiest arena in the country.
- dgutzman

Loans from the local government are part of the public record. If the organization is making so much money, why have they been borrowing so much from the city of Nashville?

http://www.tennessean.com...-ice-success-public-money

$38.6mm loaned to the organziation over the past 5 years by Nashville is almost the average annual value of the Weber contract.

There's also the quote that the local owners have had to sink $60mm of their own money into the team over that time period. So while the arena might be making money, the Predators are not.

Also, the Predators do not own the building, and as such do not receive 100% of the revenues from the building, as a team like the Flyers do. Certainly, the Preds own Powers Management and operate the building, receiving some money from that, but they're not the owners, which means that non hockey revenue is split between them and the Sports Authority of Nashville.

I personally hope that the Predators stay in Nashville. The local fanbase has shown itself to be passionate. But there may well come the day when owners tire of losing money on a team, or simply can't afford to lose any more money.

Who has St. Louis added? Who has Detroit added? Who has Chicago Added? In fact, who has Philly Added? Of those 4 teams, Philly has taken the biggest hit this year, especially on D.

Nashville lost Suter and Tootoo. We will be fine. Ellis may not be Suter, but he has the talent to be as good if not better. Also keep mind that NSH had the youngest team in the league last year. We are a year older, and have scoring youth on the way up.
- dgutzman

3 playoff teams in that division and a Columbus team that may have not gotten tons better but will be a lot harder to play against.

You guys got nothing for Suter and added no one. And also drafted no one in the first because Poile blew a first on Gaustad, who with the exception of the Jackets wouldnt even be playing top six hockey on any of those other teams. It's going to be a rough year in Philly, it's going to be a rough year(at the very least) in Nashville. Deal with it.

Who has St. Louis added? Who has Detroit added? Who has Chicago Added? In fact, who has Philly Added? Of those 4 teams, Philly has taken the biggest hit this year, especially on D.

Nashville lost Suter and Tootoo. We will be fine. Ellis may not be Suter, but he has the talent to be as good if not better. Also keep mind that NSH had the youngest team in the league last year. We are a year older, and have scoring youth on the way up.
- dgutzman

Detroit lost Nick Lidstrom. That's bigger than anything the Flyers lost on defense. The Red Wings also lost Brad Stuart.

Who does St Louis need to add, they almost won the President's Trophy last season and have a good young team.

The more I look at the FA defensemen, there's really nobody out there who replaces Meszaros. That means a trade. Looking at the trade possibilities, unless they go for the home run, I'd rather stand pat and see what the kids can do.

They could easily end up trading valuable assets for a guy who would be no better than Gustafsson
- Jsaquella

His AHL #'s are actually pretty good..
105 games played in the AHL, 73 points... with 65 assists.


And honestly, I thought he looked really good during the playoffs. Im personally rooting for him to make it because of his comment when the Flyers OS'd Weber.

Something to the tune of: "I heard might be adding a very good defenseman, but I will make the team."

His AHL #'s are actually pretty good..
105 games played in the AHL, 73 points... with 65 assists.


And honestly, I thought he looked really good during the playoffs. Im personally rooting for him to make it because of his comment when the Flyers OS'd Weber.

Something to the tune of: "I heard might be adding a very good defenseman, but I will make the team."
- jak521

He did play well against the Pens. I worry about his size and strength against bigger forwards, but he can move the puck and skate well.

So doing the simplest form of math.. they made a total of (15-7, carry the one) 8 million dollars..

Fantastic... makes for an even easier argument as to why they should move THE TEAM. You dont pick up and move the (frank)ing building.

If they didnt have a money losing Nashville Preds team, the interest group (or whoever actually owns the building) would have made 15 million instead of 8.

What happens if the team struggles and doesnt make the playoffs for a few years in a row.. and doesnt really ice a strong team? Odds are they will lose more and more money. Das ist schade
- jak521

I honestly don't know why anyone get's involved in discussing the specifics of a team's finances. None of us have the factual information to do so accurately.

S.t Louis, no one cares, Detroit, they add from within, Chicago is loaded with talent, Philly they've sure as hell tried to add but came up short. Nashville needed offensive Help just like Philly needed D help would have been good for both to make a deal.
- JoeRussomanno

Nashville had the 9th best offense last year and we retained all of our offensive talent with the exception of Suter, who wasn't a scoring D. We have Ryan Ellis who is an offensive talent. We also have 20+ goal scoring forward prospects that are a year or less away from making it to Nashville. Look up Taylor Beck, Austin Watson, Josh Shalla. And on top of that, we still have plenty of flexibility at the trade deadline if we need help. We will be fine.

Detroit lost Nick Lidstrom. That's bigger than anything the Flyers lost on defense. The Red Wings also lost Brad Stuart.

Who does St Louis need to add, they almost won the President's Trophy last season and have a good young team.
- Jsaquella

Might be the biggest understatement you have made in a while.

That team is just starting to come into their own. They may have the best young defensive corps in the entire league, and so long as they can stay healthy offensively, they are can contend for the best group of young forwards as well. Also dont discount what Vlady Tarasenko brings to the table... He is my preseason favorite for Calder Trophy winner.. over Nail

Courtesy of Hockeys Future:
Tarasenko's strongest asset is his goal scoring ability with his quick hands and sudden release. His explosive acceleration allows him to create space, where he can score or use his strong playmaking ability. A fiery competitor, he plays with grit and tenacity. He is solidly built at 5'11 202 pounds, and has been playing against men in the KHL since the age of 16, making him one of the more pro ready prospects of the 2010 class.

how billionaire's spend money is their own business...


y'all need to move on from the nashville bashing/bitterness

His AHL #'s are actually pretty good..
105 games played in the AHL, 73 points... with 65 assists.


And honestly, I thought he looked really good during the playoffs. Im personally rooting for him to make it because of his comment when the Flyers OS'd Weber.

Something to the tune of: "I heard might be adding a very good defenseman, but I will make the team."
- jak521

I like that attytood!

I honestly don't know why anyone get's involved in discussing the specifics of a team's finances. None of us have the factual information to do so accurately.
- MJL

If you dont wanna discuss or "play along" nobody is forcing you.

Nashville had the 9th best offense last year and we retained all of our offensive talent with the exception of Suter, who wasn't a scoring D. We have Ryan Ellis who is an offensive talent. We also have 20+ goal scoring forward prospects that are a year or less away from making it to Nashville. Look up Taylor Beck, Austin Watson, Josh Shalla. And on top of that, we still have plenty of flexibility at the trade deadline if we need help. We will be fine.
- dgutzman

Suter wasn't a scoring defenseman? He was 11th in the NHL in scoring among defensemen.

how billionaire's spend money is their own business...


y'all need to move on from the nashville bashing/bitterness
- b0s0o1

is that what you think this is?

is 8 million dollars really that much for a sports franchise owned by a group of investors? they each get their own million I suppose.
- JoeRussomanno

Your right, it isn't. But it is a heck of a lot more then many of the teams in the NHL made last year. And that is why the owners are asking for more concessions from the players in the new CBA. The NHL will only survive if there is a system in place where all of the teams can be stable. I mean, Winnipeg, with all the hoopla with their inaugural season, merchandise revenue, and publicity, still lost money last year.

If you dont wanna discuss or "play along" nobody is forcing you.
- jak521

It isn't about wanting to or not wanting to. It has to do with having the facts to discuss it accurately.

Loans from the local government are part of the public record. If the organization is making so much money, why have they been borrowing so much from the city of Nashville?

http://www.tennessean.com...-ice-success-public-money

$38.6mm loaned to the organziation over the past 5 years by Nashville is almost the average annual value of the Weber contract.

There's also the quote that the local owners have had to sink $60mm of their own money into the team over that time period. So while the arena might be making money, the Predators are not.

Also, the Predators do not own the building, and as such do not receive 100% of the revenues from the building, as a team like the Flyers do. Certainly, the Preds own Powers Management and operate the building, receiving some money from that, but they're not the owners, which means that non hockey revenue is split between them and the Sports Authority of Nashville.

I personally hope that the Predators stay in Nashville. The local fanbase has shown itself to be passionate. But there may well come the day when owners tire of losing money on a team, or simply can't afford to lose any more money.
- Jsaquella

And you have information that shows that NSH is the only organization that receives subsides from the government?

is that what you think this is?

- MBFlyerfan

absolutely...i don't have the same orange and black glasses on that many on this thread do

It isn't about wanting to or not wanting to. It has to do with having the facts to discuss it accurately.
- MJL

Again.. simply ignore it then...

There have been numerous reports that they lost 7 million in revenues. They were one of the teams taking money in the RS group...

The rest was based off of what our Nashville friend brought to us.

I honestly don't know why anyone get's involved in discussing the specifics of a team's finances. None of us have the factual information to do so accurately.
- MJL

I second this comment. Nobody knows how much is made, how much is spent, or how much is hidden in the clouds that the bankers control.

And you have information that shows that NSH is the only organization that receives subsides from the government?
- dgutzman

Im sure Nashville and Florida might as well.. but that has never been the point.

Haha meant Phoenix, Freudian slip

It isn't about wanting to or not wanting to. It has to do with having the facts to discuss it accurately.
- MJL

your on HB to discuss facts?

Again.. simply ignore it then...

There have been numerous reports that they lost 7 million in revenues. They were one of the teams taking money in the RS group...

The rest was based off of what our Nashville friend brought to us.
- jak521

I can discuss any aspect of it I choose to, including the part that nobody has access to Nashville's finance records. They don't open thier books to the public. How much Nashville made or lost, is all specualtion.

absolutely...i don't have the same orange and black glasses on that many on this thread do
- b0s0o1

Hell i guess i'd take O&B glasses over being blind.

The guy came in here with his Karma BS... Its not bashing... they took a contract on that could cripple them, and if it does, may end up costing the city a team.

And you have information that shows that NSH is the only organization that receives subsides from the government?
- dgutzman

I'm sure they are not. However, that's not the point. There's several teams that are in financial difficulties in the NHL. The issue we are discussing is the Nashville Predators, let's stick to that subject.

It's a matter of public record that the Preds took almost $40mm in loans from the city government in the past 5 years. Regardless of what other teams took loans from their local governments, it's not a sign of financial stability. The situations of other teams is immaterial to this particular discussion.

The point of this discussion is simply are the Predators owners willing to continue to lose money out of their pockets and borrow money from the city of Nashville at an annual average rate of $7.7mm a year if an alternative city promises more potential income?

What's happening in Phoenix, Florida and elsewhere isn't relevant in this discussion.

I can discuss any aspect of it I choose to, including the part that nobody has access to Nashville's finance records. They don't open thier books to the public. How much Nashville made or lost, is all specualtion.
- MJL

"I honestly don't know why anyone get's involved in discussing the specifics of a team's finances. None of us have the factual information to do so accurately."

If you dont want to get involved then dont get (frank)ing involved. Simple as that.. If we as a group want to discuss it and make up (frank)ing fantasy numbers.. then so be it.

Their financial struggles are well documented. The exacts, maybe not... but speculating isnt a crime.