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canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Aug 10 @ 5:40 PM ET
Name that free agent:

Big, highly mobile defender has easily the most offensive upside of any blue-liner in the draft. Hardly had to break a sweat this year while putting up outstanding numbers. Didn’t often perform at the top of his game - played nearly 30 minutes a night and seemed to pace himself. Is most effective when he forcefully takes the puck and heads up ice, leading the break and creating dangerous odd-man rushes. Has the ability to undress opponents as he goes end-to-end. Excellent vision and can make plays at top speed. A top-notch PP quarterback with a hard shot who makes good decisions in puck distribution. Still a work in progress in own zone, but improved steadily in both physical play and positioning as the year progressed. While he lacks explosive speed, he has good agility and his overall mobility is above average. Projection: #1 defenceman for a good team.

I know he's had his struggles but I'd rather sign him cheaply and see what he can do. I hate these JBo rumors. Paying a guy 7 million dollars to do what Bourdon can do doesn't seem very smart.

- The_Universe



Paul Martin.

edit- except he's not a FA. Too bad, you described him perfectly.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Aug 10 @ 5:42 PM ET
So...you actually at one time in your life possessed Ricky Martin tickets? I was just starting to warm up to you too. This is very disappointing.
- canadianpenfan


Wearing Jean shorts too?

phantasm
Joined: 04.17.2011

Aug 10 @ 5:44 PM ET
You never know with a player, as player projections aren't an exact science. But he projects to a 3rd pair defenseman in the League, not a top 4 defenseman.
- MJL


You have your opinion, I have mine. Neither is right or wrong until proven so.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 5:44 PM ET
You're logical, but I don't have to like it.
- canadianpenfan


Well why not?
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Aug 10 @ 5:45 PM ET
Well why not?
- ob18



Why don't I have to like it?
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 5:47 PM ET
Why don't I have to like it?
- canadianpenfan


yes
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Aug 10 @ 5:48 PM ET
canadianpenfan
Pittsburgh Penguins
Location: Calgary
Joined: 05.13.2010

Aug 10 @ 5:51 PM ET
yes
- ob18





mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Aug 10 @ 6:22 PM ET
Dale the Wombat ‏@wombathockey

(From a source), Peter Laviolette: "I'm not expecting any hockey until at least December at this point" @NHLFlyers #Flyers #NHLLockout #RT

flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

Aug 10 @ 6:23 PM ET
You never know with a player, as player projections aren't an exact science. But he projects to a 3rd pair defenseman in the League, not a top 4 defenseman.
- MJL


To be fair to everyone he's projected to be on the Cusp. If he WERE to become a reliable 2nd pairing guy, it sure as heck won't happen this year. I think a 3rd pairing with upside is more than enough to hope for from him this year. But I would not want to put a ceiling on anyone's development.

Both He and Gus played big minutes against big names last year and were equal to the task. I'm interested in seeing what they can do now, not what the Scouts 3-5 years ago thought they could do.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 6:29 PM ET
You have your opinion, I have mine. Neither is right or wrong until proven so.
- phantasm


That we agree on. But I honestly hope your right. The Flyers should stop looking for a defenseman for this Season, and play Bourdon top 4 minutes and let him meet that potential.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 6:36 PM ET
To be fair to everyone he's projected to be on the Cusp. If he WERE to become a reliable 2nd pairing guy, it sure as heck won't happen this year. I think a 3rd pairing with upside is more than enough to hope for from him this year. But I would not want to put a ceiling on anyone's development.

Both He and Gus played big minutes against big names last year and were equal to the task. I'm interested in seeing what they can do now, not what the Scouts 3-5 years ago thought they could do.

- flyler



I wouldn't say big minutes. Some games they played more then others, but both showed potential to be NHL defenseman. How far they can progress, time will tell. But you judge a player over the long haul, and not over the short term. Which is why using stats such as goals per 60 minutes for a player like Bourdon as a sign in part of top 4 potential is foolish. He only played 46 games. Way too small of a sample size.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 10 @ 6:43 PM ET
Dale the Wombat ‏@wombathockey

(From a source), Peter Laviolette: "I'm not expecting any hockey until at least December at this point" @NHLFlyers #Flyers #NHLLockout #RT


- mochoson

sucks for the preds! lol
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 6:47 PM ET
sucks for the preds! lol
- 2Real


It's bad period.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Aug 10 @ 6:49 PM ET
That we agree on. But I honestly hope your right. The Flyers should stop looking for a defenseman for this Season, and play Bourdon top 4 minutes and let him meet that potential.

- MJL

I'd very much prefer seeing if any of the young defensemen can handle some big responsibilities to pursuing some bandaid player. The caliber defenseman we're seeking just isn't available right now.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Aug 10 @ 7:00 PM ET
i'm not allowed to say that?
Pixote Andolini
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.23.2007

Aug 10 @ 7:05 PM ET
Pfffft. Dale the Wombat.
mochoson
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Josi is the most overrated player in the nhl. He isnt even close to a top ten. - James_Tanner, NJ
Joined: 02.28.2009

Aug 10 @ 7:09 PM ET
Pfffft. Dale the Wombat.
- Pixote Andolini


Love the guy. Follow him. He's not like hOckeyInsiDerrRrRr or NHLScoutGMTradeBreaker9000 or whatever the (frank) those 16 year olds call themselves.

He called Staal trade, Nash trade, and Mcclement + Mueller signings from what I've seen so far.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Aug 10 @ 7:24 PM ET
I'd very much prefer seeing if any of the young defensemen can handle some big responsibilities to pursuing some bandaid player. The caliber defenseman we're seeking just isn't available right now.
- BulliesPhan87


Many intelligent observers agree with this.

flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

Aug 10 @ 7:39 PM ET
I wouldn't say big minutes. Some games they played more then others, but both showed potential to be NHL defenseman. How far they can progress, time will tell. But you judge a player over the long haul, and not over the short term. Which is why using stats such as goals per 60 minutes for a player like Bourdon as a sign in part of top 4 potential is foolish. He only played 46 games. Way too small of a sample size.
- MJL


Agreed over the stats, it is a small sampling and that should be noted. As far as the big minutes I'm referring to the fact that before he got hurt he was logging 18-20 minutes a game and was still a + Player. For a Rookie, that's pretty solid. But projecting anything beyond continuing to be a solid 3rd liner is foolish, at least for this coming year.
coffee junkie
Joined: 02.25.2007

Aug 10 @ 8:13 PM ET
I'm not at all worried about putting pressure on Schenn. He has been a top minutes guy as a 21 year old already. Timonen is going to play 20+ minutes. Just need to watch his PK minutes.
- MJL

The Flyers are in trouble. They need to add a D man. I don't know who or how but one injury or one "hope" not fulfilled....... it will be exciting if they don't but not for the right reasons.
tangent_man
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey
Joined: 11.28.2007

Aug 10 @ 8:30 PM ET
I'd very much prefer seeing if any of the young defensemen can handle some big responsibilities to pursuing some bandaid player. The caliber defenseman we're seeking just isn't available right now.
- BulliesPhan87


Yep, there's always time to make a deal, and I'd prefer an older (mid to late-20s) guy since we have the youth coming up. You never know who will become available around the league as younger guys earn spots.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 8:37 PM ET
I'd very much prefer seeing if any of the young defensemen can handle some big responsibilities to pursuing some bandaid player. The caliber defenseman we're seeking just isn't available right now.
- BulliesPhan87


I think you have to be careful about putting them in too many situations that they might not be ready for. But certainly give them a taste. I'd also much rather see what Gustafsson, Bourdon, Manning, or Gervais can do in a 3rd pair role. As well as Luke Schenn in top 4 role. As opposed to obtaining one of the overpaid veterans that have been discussed. Let the kids play, and if need be, address a need later.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 8:39 PM ET
Agreed over the stats, it is a small sampling and that should be noted. As far as the big minutes I'm referring to the fact that before he got hurt he was logging 18-20 minutes a game and was still a + Player. For a Rookie, that's pretty solid. But projecting anything beyond continuing to be a solid 3rd liner is foolish, at least for this coming year.
- flyler



Bourdon averaged 16:11 a game. And Gustafsson 16:47.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 10 @ 8:40 PM ET
The Flyers are in trouble. They need to add a D man. I don't know who or how but one injury or one "hope" not fulfilled....... it will be exciting if they don't but not for the right reasons.
- coffee junkie



I would disagree that they are in trouble. They certainly have a need. But the playoffs are 8 months away. A lot can happen between now and then.
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