when did i ever say assaulting people was ok?
all i'm saying the only thing you're allowed to say in EULAs is pretty much don't break any laws using the software

telling someone how it is isn't breaking the law that's 1st amendment
- 2Real

If you'd like to discuss this we can but it will be privately & not in a threads the place it belongs.

Cousins is said by some local reporters to have as a legit shot if not more of one than Laughton.

If they earn it fine if not I send them right back to juniors.
- ob18

i'm excited to see our youngsters play if laughton is anything like richards and then we got schenn and simmonds

i'm excited to see our youngsters play if laughton is anything like richards and then we got schenn and simmonds
- 2Real

Already saw him in juniors last year. It will be nice to see him get the chance just think with the lockout it won't be for another year unless you see him in the OHL.

Already saw him in juniors last year. It will be nice to see him get the chance just think with the lockout it won't be for another year unless you see him in the OHL.
- ob18

oh well if gives us some time to figure out how to draft defense

oh well if gives us some time to figure out how to draft defense
- 2Real

That's been said for years, don't get the hopes to high on it.

That's been said for years, don't get the hopes to high on it.
- ob18

you can always hope right!

you can always hope right!
- 2Real

I'm in that boat along with drafting all positions and developing them all not just forwards & trying to trade or sign them as free agents.

I'm in that boat along with drafting all positions and developing them all not just forwards & trying to trade or sign them as free agents.
- ob18

They do draft defensemen, they just do a poop job of developing them.

Hopefully Bourdon or Gustafsson or Manning can change that trend.

They do draft defensemen, they just do a poop job of developing them.

Hopefully Bourdon or Gustafsson or Manning can change that trend.
- Jsaquella

True.

I'd like to see that and maybe 2 of the 3 they drafted this year make some sort of impact.

How's the water?
- BulliesPhan87

It's pretty deep up in Sea Isle City

True.

I'd like to see that and maybe 2 of the 3 they drafted this year make some sort of impact.
- ob18

That's the big thing. They get these early round forwards and they're in the NHL in 2 or 3 years max and that's great, but the patience hasn't been there for defensemen.

I'm not sold that Bourdon, Manning or Gustafsson will ever be more than 3rd pair guys, or that kids like Gostisbehere or Wilcox or Larsson will be even that good, but be patient with them.

That's the big thing. They get these early round forwards and they're in the NHL in 2 or 3 years max and that's great, but the patience hasn't been there for defensemen.

I'm not sold that Bourdon, Manning or Gustafsson will ever be more than 3rd pair guys, or that kids like Gostisbehere or Wilcox or Larsson will be even that good, but be patient with them.
- Jsaquella

Somebody in there can be a 2nd pair guy, odds are as you mentioned the patience may not be there for that chance to be with the Flyers.

Anthony Stolarz 36 MIN, 16 SVs, 0 GA in Team USA's 3-2 loss to Finland today. Shayne Gostisbehere had final day off after strong camp.

Anthony Stolarz 36 MIN, 16 SVs, 0 GA in Team USA's 3-2 loss to Finland today. Shayne Gostisbehere had final day off after strong camp.
- bmeltzer

How realistic of a chance does Gostisbehere have to make the WJC squad? I'd imagine Stolarz won't make it this time around.

How realistic of a chance does Gostisbehere have to make the WJC squad? I'd imagine Stolarz won't make it this time around.
- ob18

Hearing that Ghost has a good shot. Stolarz is still #4 -- #3 at absolute max -- on goaltending depth chart this year.

They do draft defensemen, they just do a poop job of developing them.

Hopefully Bourdon or Gustafsson or Manning can change that trend.
- Jsaquella

What exactly are they doing wrong when developing their defenseman?

What exactly are they doing wrong when developing their defenseman?
- stveshdy

In my opinion:

1) They have tended to prefer to draft big-bodied but modestly-skilled defensemen who didn't have much upside to begin with (Kenny, Mallette,Beckett, Forbes)
2) Many of the more athletic/skilled D showed questionable hockey sense even at the lower levels (Ratchuk, Bodrov, etc)
3) Organizational impatience: Too many young D who DID show early promise as pros got rushed a bit and then fell out of favor when they struggled-- thinking here of players like Niinimaa, Seidenberg, Eaton, Picard.

What exactly are they doing wrong when developing their defenseman?
- stveshdy

Maybe they just don't choose good ones. But even the ones who became NHL regulars didn't do it here for long.

Since I became a STH in 1995 they've drafted the following defensemen:

Shane Kenny never NHL
Dmitri Tertyshny (and he was going to be good you could see him learn every shift--this is one they got right and maybe he'd have been one they'd have waited for)
Jamie Sokolsky never NHL
Jeff Lank 2 NHL games
Chris Mallette never NHL
Mikhail Chernov never NHL
Jordon Flodel never NHL
Marko Kauppinen never NHL
Par Styf never NHL
Jason Beckett never NHL
Ian Forbes never NHL
J.P. Morin never NHL
Bruno St. Jaques 67 NHL games 13 with Philly
Sergei Skrobot never NHL
Jeff Feniak never NHL
Regan Kelly never NHL
Jeff Woywitka 278 NHL games none with Philly still in NHL
Jussi Timonen 14 NHL games
Dennis Seidenberg 535 NHL games 92 with the Flyers (I never liked their giving up on him after the broken leg. Didn't make sense to me.) still in NHL
Thierry Douville never NHL
Joni Pitkanen 513 NHL games 135 with Philadelphia still in NHL
David Printz 13 NHL games
Rosario Ruggeri none NHL
Nikita Korovkin none NHL
Joey Mormina 1 NHL game none with Flyers
Alexandre Picard 253 NHL games 72 with Flyers still in NHL
Ryan Potulny 126 NHL games 42 with Flyers fringe NHL
R.J. Anderson never NHL
Chris Zarb never NHL
Travis Gawryletz never NHL
Oskars Bartulis 66 NHL games still in Flyers system
John Flatters never NHL
Mike Ratchuk never NHL
Denis Bodrov never NHL
Joonas Lehtivuori never NHL I'm not sure of his current status, he was on loan from the Flyers last year.
Kevin Marshall 10 NHL games for Flyers traded to Caps
Luca Sbisa 195 NHL games 39 for Flyers played full season for Ducks last season
Marc-Andre Bourdon 45 NHL games just re-signed with Flyers

recent draftees
Simon Bertilsson
Oliver Lauridsen
Nicholas Luukko
Ricard Blidstrand
Colin Suellentrop
Shayne Gostisbehere
Fredrick Larsson
Reece Wilcox
Valeri Vasiliev

Maybe they just don't choose good ones. But even the ones who became NHL regulars didn't do it here for long.

Since I became a STH in 1995 they've drafted the following defensemen:


- bodiva88

they drafted Seidenberg? thought he came over in the Lindros deal.

they drafted Seidenberg? thought he came over in the Lindros deal.
- JoeRussomanno

Don;t say that around Crims....

Maybe they just don't choose good ones. But even the ones who became NHL regulars didn't do it here for long.

Since I became a STH in 1995 they've drafted the following defensemen:

Shane Kenny never NHL
Dmitri Tertyshny (and he was going to be good you could see him learn every shift--this is one they got right and maybe he'd have been one they'd have waited for)
Jamie Sokolsky never NHL
Jeff Lank 2 NHL games
Chris Mallette never NHL
Mikhail Chernov never NHL
Jordon Flodel never NHL
Marko Kauppinen never NHL
Par Styf never NHL
Jason Beckett never NHL
Ian Forbes never NHL
J.P. Morin never NHL
Bruno St. Jaques 67 NHL games 13 with Philly
Sergei Skrobot never NHL
Jeff Feniak never NHL
Regan Kelly never NHL
Jeff Woywitka 278 NHL games none with Philly still in NHL
Jussi Timonen 14 NHL games
Dennis Seidenberg 535 NHL games 92 with the Flyers (I never liked their giving up on him after the broken leg. Didn't make sense to me.) still in NHL
Thierry Douville never NHL
Joni Pitkanen 513 NHL games 135 with Philadelphia still in NHL
David Printz 13 NHL games
Rosario Ruggeri none NHL
Nikita Korovkin none NHL
Joey Mormina 1 NHL game none with Flyers
Alexandre Picard 253 NHL games 72 with Flyers still in NHL
Ryan Potulny 126 NHL games 42 with Flyers fringe NHL
R.J. Anderson never NHL
Chris Zarb never NHL
Travis Gawryletz never NHL
Oskars Bartulis 66 NHL games still in Flyers system
John Flatters never NHL
Mike Ratchuk never NHL
Denis Bodrov never NHL
Joonas Lehtivuori never NHL I'm not sure of his current status, he was on loan from the Flyers last year.
Kevin Marshall 10 NHL games for Flyers traded to Caps
Luca Sbisa 195 NHL games 39 for Flyers played full season for Ducks last season
Marc-Andre Bourdon 45 NHL games just re-signed with Flyers

recent draftees
Simon Bertilsson
Oliver Lauridsen
Nicholas Luukko
Ricard Blidstrand
Colin Suellentrop
Shayne Gostisbehere
Fredrick Larsson
Reece Wilcox
Valeri Vasiliev
- bodiva88

Ryan Potulny? He couldn't spell defense, let alone play it...and I liked that kid

Chernov was good friends with Tertyshyny, and with him the day of the tragic accident. I think that he was a changed man after that day.

Maybe they just don't choose good ones. But even the ones who became NHL regulars didn't do it here for long.

Since I became a STH in 1995 they've drafted the following defensemen:

Shane Kenny never NHL
Dmitri Tertyshny (and he was going to be good you could see him learn every shift--this is one they got right and maybe he'd have been one they'd have waited for)
Jamie Sokolsky never NHL
Jeff Lank 2 NHL games
Chris Mallette never NHL
Mikhail Chernov never NHL
Jordon Flodel never NHL
Marko Kauppinen never NHL
Par Styf never NHL
Jason Beckett never NHL
Ian Forbes never NHL
J.P. Morin never NHL
Bruno St. Jaques 67 NHL games 13 with Philly
Sergei Skrobot never NHL
Jeff Feniak never NHL
Regan Kelly never NHL
Jeff Woywitka 278 NHL games none with Philly still in NHL
Jussi Timonen 14 NHL games
Dennis Seidenberg 535 NHL games 92 with the Flyers (I never liked their giving up on him after the broken leg. Didn't make sense to me.) still in NHL
Thierry Douville never NHL
Joni Pitkanen 513 NHL games 135 with Philadelphia still in NHL
David Printz 13 NHL games
Rosario Ruggeri none NHL
Nikita Korovkin none NHL
Joey Mormina 1 NHL game none with Flyers
Alexandre Picard 253 NHL games 72 with Flyers still in NHL
Ryan Potulny 126 NHL games 42 with Flyers fringe NHL
R.J. Anderson never NHL
Chris Zarb never NHL
Travis Gawryletz never NHL
Oskars Bartulis 66 NHL games still in Flyers system
John Flatters never NHL
Mike Ratchuk never NHL
Denis Bodrov never NHL
Joonas Lehtivuori never NHL I'm not sure of his current status, he was on loan from the Flyers last year.
Kevin Marshall 10 NHL games for Flyers traded to Caps
Luca Sbisa 195 NHL games 39 for Flyers played full season for Ducks last season
Marc-Andre Bourdon 45 NHL games just re-signed with Flyers

recent draftees
Simon Bertilsson
Oliver Lauridsen
Nicholas Luukko
Ricard Blidstrand
Colin Suellentrop
Shayne Gostisbehere
Fredrick Larsson
Reece Wilcox
Valeri Vasiliev
- bodiva88

So 24 of the 37 D-men drafted since 95 never made the NHL, and Joni Pitkanen with a little over 100 games made the biggest contribution to the Flyers team.

Puddles at the feet of everyone involved from incompetence running down their legs.

So 24 of the 37 D-men drafted since 95 never made the NHL, and Joni Pitkanen with a little over 100 games made the biggest contribution to the Flyers team.

Puddles at the feet of everyone involved from incompetence running down their legs.
- PLindbergh31

Over the same time period, the Detroit Red Wings have drafted 41 defensemen. 10 of them have played any games in the NHL.

Detroit also took twice as many defensemen in round one as compared to the Flyers over that time.

You should try paxil.

So I read a recent article that quoted Rob Zombie saying he is going to gore up this flick on the broad street bullies. I am pretty pumped for this.

So I read a recent article that quoted Rob Zombie saying he is going to gore up this flick on the broad street bullies. I am pretty pumped for this.

- TPC

yea I don't know how I feel about him doing that movie. Like his music but sometimes he's too psychedelic gore for my taste. Thought he did a good job with the first Halloween installment then (frank)ed it up by making an over the top weirdo session with the sequel.