I sorta agree. But I tried selling live cattle on the Pens board, and still got banned. What gives? I guess Canadianpenfan thought this was ebay.
- Daman

Was the prospective buyer from outside Pennsylvania? Interstate commerce can be tricky

Over the same time period, the Detroit Red Wings have drafted 41 defensemen. 10 of them have played any games in the NHL.

Detroit also took twice as many defensemen in round one as compared to the Flyers over that time.

You should try paxil.
- Jsaquella

If you exclude the 4 Cups the Wings have won since 95, and take away the fact they drafted some Swedish D-man with the 53rd pick a few years prior, then yeah sure...

Billy Tibbetts is a POS. You should work on an angle defending him.

Was the prospective buyer from outside Pennsylvania? Interstate commerce can be tricky
- BulliesPhan87

Perhaps that was the nature of the ban. I may have violated hockeybuzz rules, as well as state laws.

My understanding is most mods are trained in etiquette and interstate commerce.

I leaned my lesson and stopped putting 1000's of tiny little ads here.

Edit - cheesy Don Lapre reference

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- Crimsoninja

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- PLindbergh31

1 x 2 x 3 = 6

If you exclude the 4 Cups the Wings have won since 95, and take away the fact they drafted some Swedish D-man with the 53rd pick a few years prior, then yeah sure...

Billy Tibbetts is a POS. You should work on an angle defending him.
- PLindbergh31

so they hit on Lidstrom, but overall have done worse than the Flyers at drafting d-men in terms of the % that have contributed at the NHL level as stated

so they hit on Lidstrom, but overall have done worse than the Flyers at drafting d-men in terms of the % that have contributed at the NHL level as stated
- Crimsoninja

So they hit on the best D-man in the last quarter century in the draft no big deal right? A player that just happened to be the # 1 reason why that franchise has been the gold standard in the NHL the last 15-20 years and why they have won 4 Stanley Cups.

Flyers landed Therien the very next year. That makes all things equal.

So they hit on the best D-man in the last quarter century in the draft no big deal right? A player that just happened to be the # 1 reason why that franchise has been the gold standard in the NHL the last 15-20 years and why they have won 4 Stanley Cups.

Flyers landed Therien the very next year. That makes all things equal.
- PLindbergh31

of course its a big deal, but you are changing topics

pretty sure you said that because 24 of the 37 dmen they drafted since 1995 never made the nhl that there should be Puddles at the feet of everyone involved from incompetence running down their legs

when it was pointed out that this percentage isnt as low as that of the Wings, you move the conversation to focus on the one big hit they've had.

if you want to say Lidstrom is better than any dman the Flyers have drafted since 95 id obv agree. but that has nothing to do with your original statement about incompetence puddles.

of course its a big deal, but you are changing topics

pretty sure you said that because 24 of the 37 dmen they drafted since 1995 never made the nhl that there should be Puddles at the feet of everyone involved from incompetence running down their legs

when it was pointed out that this percentage isnt as low as that of the Wings, you move the conversation to focus on the one big hit they've had.

if you want to say Lidstrom is better than any dman the Flyers have drafted since 95 id obv agree. but that has nothing to do with your original statement about incompetence puddles.
- Crimsoninja

Comparing the Flyers to the Red Wings is pretty nonsensical imo. If the Flyers had won 4 Cups since 95, and drafted a 7 time Norris winner a few years prior, would anyone give a rats ass that they have struggled drafting D-men the last 15 years?

Comparing the Flyers to the Red Wings is pretty nonsensical imo. If the Flyers had won 4 Cups since 95, and drafted a 7 time Norris winner a few years prior, would anyone give a rats ass that they have struggled drafting D-men the last 15 years?
- PLindbergh31

but that's the point. the Wings are the gold standard. so comparing a team with the Wings in terms of one specific realm of team management, it can put things in perspective. So again, while you saw the Flyers % of drafted Dmen contributing in the NHL as incompetent.. when compared to the Wings it becomes clear that those numbers are actually not that bad or at least probably closer to the league average.

but that's the point. the Wings are the gold standard. so comparing a team with the Wings in terms of one specific realm of team management, it can put things in perspective. So again, while you saw the Flyers % of drafted Dmen contributing in the NHL as incompetent.. when compared to the Wings it becomes clear that those numbers are actually not that bad or at least probably closer to the league average.
- Crimsoninja

In 2000 the Wings drafted Nik Kronwall. This entire argument comparing the Flyers to the Red Wings is preposterous.

In 2000 the Wings drafted Nik Kronwall. This entire argument comparing the Flyers to the Red Wings is preposterous.
- PLindbergh31

then compare them with the rest of the league

or just assume they should be pissing puddles of incompetence

and i think the stat itself is kind of lame actually

obviously a team that doesnt spend in free agency or does not field a competitive team will have more of their drafted dmen taking up roster spots.. whereas some of those same players would likely not crack the rosters of competitive teams that spend.

then compare them with the rest of the league

or just assume they should be pissing puddles of incompetence
- Crimsoninja

When I have time during the week. I will do some research. If the biggest contribution to the Flyers blueline from 95 to present via the draft is Joni Pitkanen, I'm fairly confident I can find better players from every other franchise in the NHL drafted during that time frame.

When I have time during the week. I will do some research. If the biggest contribution to the Flyers blueline from 95 to present via the draft is Joni Pitkanen, I'm fairly confident I can find better players from every other franchise in the NHL drafted during that time frame.
- PLindbergh31

If houre single, it may be more fun to look for chicks

When I have time during the week. I will do some research. If the biggest contribution to the Flyers blueline from 95 to present via the draft is Joni Pitkanen, I'm fairly confident I can find better players from every other franchise in the NHL drafted during that time frame.
- PLindbergh31

love how the prospect of finding ways to deem the flyers incompetent gets you so motivated

love how the prospect of finding ways to deem the flyers incompetent gets you so motivated

- Crimsoninja

If houre single, it may be more fun to look for chicks
- Daman

I'm not, and you are still correct.

Spector's:

KUKLA’S KORNER: Cited a report from Sweden claiming Philadelphia Flyers defenseman Andreas Lilja underwent hip surgery and could be sidelined for four months.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: In the immortal words of Scooby-Doo: “Ruh-roh”. That would be another huge blow to a Flyers blueline which already lost Andrej Mezsaros to injury, isn’t expecting Chris Pronger to return from a concussion injury, and lost Matt Carle to free agency. GM Paul Holmgren suggested he’d be comfortable waiting for training camp to evaluate his blueline before making any moves to bolster his defense. This, however, could put more pressure upon him to make a move.

If you exclude the 4 Cups the Wings have won since 95, and take away the fact they drafted some Swedish D-man with the 53rd pick a few years prior, then yeah sure...

Billy Tibbetts is a POS. You should work on an angle defending him.
- PLindbergh31

I don't need to defend Tibbetts. He is a piece of poop.

I'm just capable of seeing the good and bad, rather than crying about the bad nonstop like some sort of unstable prom queen who got pink flowers instead of red.

This is the role you fill on Hockeybuzz:



Congrats on being a caricature.

Spector's:

KUKLA’S KORNER: Cited a report from Sweden claiming Philadelphia Flyers defenseman Andreas Lilja underwent hip surgery and could be sidelined for four months.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: In the immortal words of Scooby-Doo: “Ruh-roh”. That would be another huge blow to a Flyers blueline which already lost Andrej Mezsaros to injury, isn’t expecting Chris Pronger to return from a concussion injury, and lost Matt Carle to free agency. GM Paul Holmgren suggested he’d be comfortable waiting for training camp to evaluate his blueline before making any moves to bolster his defense. This, however, could put more pressure upon him to make a move.
- moylander

Lilja was expected to be a 6th or 7th defenseman anyhow, this isn't exactly a major loss. If anything it gives Bourdon and Gustafsson more opportunity.

Lilja was expected to be a 6th or 7th defenseman anyhow, this isn't exactly a major loss. If anything it gives Bourdon and Gustafsson more opportunity.
- Jsaquella

Understand that.... but at this point with long term injuries.... it won't be just mab and Gus getting pt. One more minor injury and lauridsen and manning will be getting opportunity. pretty thin d corp.

Understand that.... but at this point with long term injuries.... it won't be just mab and Gus getting pt. One more minor injury and lauridsen and manning will be getting opportunity. pretty thin d corp.
- moylander

There's a slew of free agents that are available that can fill the 6th/7th roles. I expect part of the reason that a lot of depth FA's are still out there is the unresolved CBA.

When I have time during the week. I will do some research. If the biggest contribution to the Flyers blueline from 95 to present via the draft is Joni Pitkanen, I'm fairly confident I can find better players from every other franchise in the NHL drafted during that time frame.
- PLindbergh31

Please, go root for them and post on their forums. I'm sure their fan bases will enjoy your own special blend of pessimism and invective.

I sorta agree. But I tried selling live cattle on the Pens board, and still got banned. What gives? I guess Canadianpenfan thought this was ebay.
- Daman

I think he thought it was eBay and you thought it was craigslist.