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stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 13 @ 9:37 PM ET
Playing with a guy like Timonen could really help Schenn. He could learn a ton from Kimmo, and Kimmo can free him up to be a big hitter and play physical
- Jsaquella


I'm expecting big things from Schenn this year on defense.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 9:38 PM ET
Playing with a guy like Timonen could really help Schenn. He could learn a ton from Kimmo, and Kimmo can free him up to be a big hitter and play physical
- Jsaquella


I really like that pairing. And then Coburn and Grossmann are solid. I just won't like putting two kids together on the 3rd pair. But Gervais is also in the mix. One of the biggest issues is going to be on the PP. As per Bill's blog, we'll see if Coburn can step up there. They will really miss Carle and Mezaros there, as well as in 5 on 5 play.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 9:42 PM ET
I really like that pairing. And then Coburn and Grossmann are solid. I just won't like putting two kids together on the 3rd pair. But Gervais is also in the mix. One of the biggest issues is going to be on the PP. As per Bill's blog, we'll see if Coburn can step up there. They will really miss Carle and Mezaros there, as well as in 5 on 5 play.
- MJL


I think we'll see mixing and matching, too, unless there's an addition.

I could see Coburn and Timonen getting the odd shift with Gervais, Bourdon and Gustafsson, or depending upon who dresses maybe see something like Timone-Schenn, Coburn-Gustafsson & Grossmann-Gervais.

If they add Colaiacovo, maybe the pairs you mentioned and a third pair of CC & one of the other 3(Gus, Gervais or MAB) isn;t bad at all for a top six.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Aug 13 @ 9:42 PM ET
I really like that pairing. And then Coburn and Grossmann are solid. I just won't like putting two kids together on the 3rd pair. But Gervais is also in the mix. One of the biggest issues is going to be on the PP. As per Bill's blog, we'll see if Coburn can step up there. They will really miss Carle and Mezaros there, as well as in 5 on 5 play.
- MJL




the third pair two kids situation is the glaring problem


enter carlo coliacavo
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 13 @ 9:43 PM ET
I think we'll see mixing and matching, too, unless there's an addition.

I could see Coburn and Timonen getting the odd shift with Gervais, Bourdon and Gustafsson, or depending upon who dresses maybe see something like Timone-Schenn, Coburn-Gustafsson & Grossmann-Gervais.

- Jsaquella


Any chance they go with seven defenseman?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 13 @ 9:44 PM ET
the third pair two kids situation is the glaring problem


enter carlo coliacavo

- Don'tForgetTocchet


Two year deal max. Worth the risk, IMO.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 9:44 PM ET
Any chance they go with seven defenseman?
- stveshdy


I think they could carry 8 defensemen, but I don;t see them dressing 7 for games. Of course, Laviolette did that in Carolina, so it's not impossible.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 9:44 PM ET
I think we'll see mixing and matching, too, unless there's an addition.

I could see Coburn and Timonen getting the odd shift with Gervais, Bourdon and Gustafsson, or depending upon who dresses maybe see something like Timone-Schenn, Coburn-Gustafsson & Grossmann-Gervais.

If they add Colaiacovo, maybe the pairs you mentioned and a third pair of CC & one of the other 3(Gus, Gervais or MAB) isn;t bad at all for a top six.

- Jsaquella


Definitely. I have no idea what the pairing will be. And I think there will be a lot of combinations seen.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 13 @ 9:45 PM ET
the third pair two kids situation is the glaring problem


enter carlo coliacavo

- Don'tForgetTocchet


I agree that is not an ideal situation. For the players or the team. We'll see what moves the Flyers make. If any.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Aug 13 @ 9:46 PM ET
Two year deal max. Worth the risk, IMO.
- stveshdy




yup, offer him two years and a chance to prove he can play enough to be worth another contract.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 9:47 PM ET
Definitely. I have no idea what the pairing will be. And I think there will be a lot of combinations seen.
- MJL


If only Bouwmeester was making $5mm or so...
twotoekenn
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: perkasie, PA
Joined: 12.16.2009

Aug 13 @ 9:47 PM ET
Years ago Carter and Richards exploded on the scene. Really sped up the development of the team at the time.

You never know if Schenn or Cooties could do the same. Yet it took bringing in a guy like Pronger to put them near the top.

It may not be this season, but I do think they will need to bring in another star on D to get there again.

I just wish they would make a run for it this season. When Kimmo is healthy that adds to big war horses to the back end, assuming they brought in someone else.

I'd like to see Homer add OEL before the season begins. If it costs Schenn so be it. I wouldn't deal both Schenn/Cooties for a guy like that but one of them with other pieces I would.

OEL or Subban.

- flyer_nutter


When richards and carter lead the team they were actually pretty good. 07-08 they weren't quite ready, 08-09 if you remember that first round series pitt barely beat us. Cup finals the next season, blown up after that. I like the team we have now, but how long before people start crying about giroux, couts, and schenn being a core that can't win the big one?
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 13 @ 9:47 PM ET
I think they could carry 8 defensemen, but I don;t see them dressing 7 for games. Of course, Laviolette did that in Carolina, so it's not impossible.
- Jsaquella


That's what I was trying to ask. Do you think they would dress 7 defenseman for games?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Aug 13 @ 9:48 PM ET
the third pair two kids situation is the glaring problem


enter carlo coliacavo

- Don'tForgetTocchet

I'd throw a 2 yr/4.5 mil deal at him. No problems here
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 13 @ 9:49 PM ET
yup, offer him two years and a chance to prove he can play enough to be worth another contract.
- Don'tForgetTocchet


I would have no problem with that even with his injury history.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Aug 13 @ 9:49 PM ET
That's what I was trying to ask. Do you think they would dress 7 defenseman for games?
- stveshdy


It's possible. If the 12th forward is a guy who is going to play a handful of minutes that's basically useless.
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Aug 13 @ 9:49 PM ET
I would have no problem with that even with his injury history.
- stveshdy



http://frozennotes.com/20...against-carlo-colaiacovo/
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 9:50 PM ET
That's what I was trying to ask. Do you think they would dress 7 defenseman for games?
- stveshdy


I started typing before I fully understood, so it kind of flowed in there


I'd guess it's possible. I'm not against it if the coach sees it as giving the team the best chance to win the game.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 13 @ 9:52 PM ET
I started typing before I fully understood, so it kind of flowed in there


I'd guess it's possible. I'm not against it if the coach sees it as giving the team the best chance to win the game.

- Jsaquella


I don't know if it would benefit or hurt the team more by dressing 7 defenseman.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 9:53 PM ET
Montreal has reportedly re-signed Max Pacioretty to a six year extension, probably means that Subban will be signed soon.
Don'tForgetTocchet
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ground Zero Brooklyn
Joined: 02.08.2007

Aug 13 @ 9:53 PM ET
http://frozennotes.com/20...against-carlo-colaiacovo/
- MBFlyerfan



haha that article has the classic clip of cc running into the camera
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 13 @ 9:54 PM ET
http://frozennotes.com/20...against-carlo-colaiacovo/
- MBFlyerfan


I'm not asking him to save the Flyers just looking to add a player with experience who can move the puck well.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 9:54 PM ET
I don't know if it would benefit or hurt the team more by dressing 7 defenseman.
- stveshdy


If there's a team that draws a ton of penalties, like the Pens of Devils, I'd lean towards dressing Gus and Bourdon ahead of a guy like Rinaldo. At the very least they aren't as likely to put the team down a man, and they can be used to better spell the top four, who will likely be seeing more PK time.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Aug 13 @ 9:57 PM ET
http://frozennotes.com/20...against-carlo-colaiacovo/
- MBFlyerfan


The biggest issue is his injury history. Honestly, one of the big reasons Bouwmeester appeals to me on some level is that he's an ironman
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 13 @ 9:58 PM ET
If there's a team that draws a ton of penalties, like the Pens of Devils, I'd lean towards dressing Gus and Bourdon ahead of a guy like Rinaldo. At the very least they aren't as likely to put the team down a man, and they can be used to better spell the top four, who will likely be seeing more PK time.
- Jsaquella


Lavi has some options.
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