I still believe there is a trade to be done between the Yotes and Flyers if Jamison can finally gain control of the team. The Yotes have a tremendous amount of young defensive depth in the organziation, and obviously the Flyers are loaded at forward. Yandle is the obvious target, but Gormley and Rundblad aren't even on the big club yet. I'm not even going to mention Ekman-Larsson, just no way he is available. Of course, he is a RFA next year, and we'll see where the next CBA goes. A topic for another day.

- aightwebang17

He wears a facial expression that suggests broken dreams and false hopes.

The newest design in cool crutches?
- bodiva88

ya never seen that variety before

actually some good points by you, except for Kimo being the best dmen for us this year, I didn't think so but maybe that's just a matter of Opinion. You do make it seem like you're saying Coburn sucks.
- JoeRussomanno

i think coburn is a good player for what he brings but i wouldn't list him as an NHL experienced vet yet

He wears a facial expression that suggests broken dreams and false hopes.
- NickTheKid87

well he knows he just screwed the city of philadelphia

The situations where his minutes were elevated in the last 7 games or so, were in blowouts such as 7-1 win over Toronto. And also in games late in the Season where the Flyers were limiting minutes to players such as Timonen and Grossmann due to being banged up, to help them get ready for the playoffs.

I like Bourdon. I favor him over Gustafsson and what little we've seen in Manning. I like BOurdon's agressiveness,a nd his physical edge. I have doubts that he'll be a top 4 level player in the future. It certainly is possible, but not likely in my opinion. But I have no doubt that he can be a solid 3rd pair player.
- MJL

Yeah most of us are saying similiar things. We all feel like he's going to be at least a good call up, probably a good third liner and possibly, maybe, a second pairing guy IF he continues to improve. Understand nobody making a guarantee of top 4 status. However I am pointing out that we won't know if his progression was ended because of his injury or because he hit a wall in his development until he can get playing again and see where he's at.

He wears a facial expression that suggests broken dreams and false hopes.
- NickTheKid87

Or the sun in his eyes.

Or the sun in his eyes.
- bodiva88

That's far too logical.

i think coburn is a good player for what he brings but i wouldn't list him as an NHL experienced vet yet
- 2Real

Then I have to ask, what are your criteria for being known as an NHL experienced vet?

Then I have to ask, what are your criteria for being known as an NHL experienced vet?
- MBFlyerfan

Must be retired for at least 5 years.

Then I have to ask, what are your criteria for being known as an NHL experienced vet?
- MBFlyerfan

meaningful leadership and able to teach younger players
i don't see that in coburn yet

meaningful leadership and able to teach younger players
i don't see that in coburn yet
- 2Real

Fair enough.

meaningful leadership and able to teach younger players
i don't see that in coburn yet
- 2Real

Yeah but some people are just not leaders. Coburn may never become what you deem a veteran but that doesn't mean he is not experienced. Experience is essentially what creates a vet.

Then I have to ask, what are your criteria for being known as an NHL experienced vet?
- MBFlyerfan

I gotta Concur. I think Coby Solidified his Veteran status during our cup run and has been using his size and footspeed to be one of the better and more underated defenders in the leauge for a couple years now. He does not have the offensive prowess of most elite Defensemen but he's got everything else and I think he could pull down 35- 40 points setting up someone like Giroux.

meaningful leadership and able to teach younger players
i don't see that in coburn yet
- 2Real

Maybe it's not overt enough a show of leadership for your criteria (not an insult, to be certain), but the way Coburn shoulders the hard minutes in the playoffs are my idea of leadership. Sure, he's not a vet in the same way an older player like Doan is, but I'd still call Coburn a vet in his own right.

Fair enough.
- MBFlyerfan

if you need specific example
derian hatcher
guy was a great leader and could teach younger players positioning

meaningful leadership and able to teach younger players
i don't see that in coburn yet
- 2Real

Hopefully we'll see that this year.

edit : I think a Coburn/Bourdon pairing could work out really well. Coby has the speed and veteran presence and Bourdon worked well with Carle last year. Bourdon could help supply a little more offensive firepower as well. Both are physical.

if you need specific example
derian hatcher
guy was a great leader and could teach younger players positioning
- 2Real

Future HOF-er? Are experienced vets and future/current HOF-ers synonymous in your book?

Future HOF-er? Are experienced vets and future/current HOF-ers synonymous in your book?
- steelydan

ok sean o'donnel he's not a hall of famer but he was able to give a lot to the team

if you need specific example
derian hatcher
guy was a great leader and could teach younger players positioning
- 2Real

In all fairness, none of know what is taught in practice and by whom unless a journalist makes the observation or is told by someone on the team. I would be willing to bet that if Coburn sees a younger player make a mistake or sees something the player can work on, he'll pull him aside. I think what you are trying to say is he's not a mentor, that's ok he hasn't done anything that we know of to say otherwise, but a leader or vet, he fits that bill.

- aightwebang17

Picture taken outside the Gulag.
Poor Drej.

In all fairness, none of know what is taught in practice and by whom unless a journalist makes the observation or is told by someone on the team. I would be willing to bet that if Coburn sees a younger player make a mistake or sees something the player can work on, he'll pull him aside. I think what you are trying to say is he's not a mentor, that's ok he hasn't done anything that we know of to say otherwise, but a leader or vet, he fits that bill.
- JoeRussomanno

jason smith when he was with the flyers

jason smith when he was with the flyers
- 2Real

what about him, he wasn't here very long.

That's far too logical.
- NickTheKid87

My curse.

My curse.
- bodiva88

its terrible isnt it?

I get so frustrated with certain things...