Seriously? Points total? For a defenseman?
- Pecafan Fan

Like it or not, it should be a contributing factor. Is moving the puck out of your zone not a contributing factor in the game? How about the Power Play....nothing?

While Dan Girardi is a great defensemen....you don't want 6 of them.

Paneuf was -10.
Subban was +9.

I think this is clear.
- hscesq

Plus/Minus

Best stat when it helps your point

Meaningless pile of drivel when it doesn't.

For everything else, there's Corsi.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/anti-semite-hungarian-politician-an-outcast-after-discovering-his-jewish-roots/article4481572/


- _nay_

Hilarious. Real funny stuff right there.

BOOM

He might not play for team Canada, but he is far away from sucking.

1. Phaneuf is 6th in the NHL among defenseman in TOI.
2. He plays PP and PK.
3. He plays against the other teams best players ever night
4. He scored 44 pts last season (12th in NHL)
5. 9th among D-men in goals in the NHL
6. He has the hardest job of being captain of the Leafs with people breaking him down on a daily basis
7. 4th in the NHL among D-men with 7 PP goals. Meanwhile he is 18th in PP ice time per game.

He is much better than people give him credit.

Haters gonns hate!
- AdamFrench

PK is black, that alone trumps all of the above.

Plus/Minus

Best stat when it helps your point

Meaningless pile of drivel when it doesn't.

For everything else, there's Corsi.
- AdamFrench

I assume your reply is nonsense - I didn't read it. Bottom line is, Subban's numbers are better, so he is better than Dion.

Like it or not, it should be a contributing factor. Is moving the puck out of your zone not a contributing factor in the game? How about the Power Play....nothing?

While Dan Girardi is a great defensemen....you don't want 6 of them.
- stormey

With Reiminister and Scrivenator in net I'd take 6 of them just to stand in front of them.

Hilarious. Real funny stuff right there.
- hscesq

Well, the irony is hilarous. Kind of an "arroseur arrosé" situation. Let's see what he does from there.

PAR UNE VIEILLE MÉMÈRE!!!!
- Pecafan Fan

une Campivallensienne, rien de moins!!

Well, the irony is hilarous. Kind of an "arroseur arrosé" situation. Let's see what he does from there.
- _nay_

The fact that the poop still goes on in 2012 is sickening.

The fact that the poop still goes on in 2012 is sickening.
- hscesq

Humanity never changes.

BOOM

He might not play for team Canada, but he is far away from sucking.

1. Phaneuf is 6th in the NHL among defenseman in TOI.
2. He plays PP and PK.
3. He plays against the other teams best players ever night
4. He scored 44 pts last season (12th in NHL)
5. 9th among D-men in goals in the NHL
6. He has the hardest job of being captain of the Leafs with people breaking him down on a daily basis
7. 4th in the NHL among D-men with 7 PP goals. Meanwhile he is 18th in PP ice time per game.

He is much better than people give him credit.

Haters gonns hate!
- AdamFrench

-10

Paneuf was -10.
Subban was +9.

I think this is clear.
- hscesq

Giveaways. PK 88 Dion 76.
Takeaways. PK 26 Dion 30
Hits. PK 105 Dion 213
Blocked Shots. PK 113 Dion 127

une Campivallensienne, rien de moins!!
- Le_Moderateur

on appelle ça un Wobbey...je sais pas c'est quoi la provenance de ce mot, mais j'habite pas loin de Valleyfield, et c'est comme ça que le monde ici les appellent....je te dirais que ça vient probablement de "Wanna-be", parce que le monde de Valleyfield en général sont des osties de wanna-be

I assume your reply is nonsense - I didn't read it. Bottom line is, Subban's numbers are better, so he is better than Dion.
- hscesq

Read my last post. You are wrong....again.

Humanity never changes.
- AdamFrench

I know eh? Just yesterday I sold my 12 year old daughter to my 39 year old neighbour for a goat and traded the goat for 16 negros to plow my farm

Giveaways. PK 88 Dion 76.
Takeaways. PK 26 Dion 30
Hits. PK 105 Dion 213
Blocked Shots. PK 113 Dion 127
- stormey

Hits totals don't impress me. The rest are pretty close. And PK is much younger and had to lead a defense corps that really, really sucked before he was ready to.

Oh, and also, this isn't about comparing the two.

Read my last post. You are wrong....again.
- stormey

-10

Read my last post. You are wrong....again.
- stormey

No, I was not wrong.

Dion was -10
Subban was +9

Subban's better.

-10
- Pea-Brain

Voila.

on appelle ça un Wobbey...je sais pas c'est quoi la provenance de ce mot, mais j'habite pas loin de Valleyfield, et c'est comme ça que le monde ici les appellent....je te dirais que ça vient probablement de "Wanna-be", parce que le monde de Valleyfield en général sont des osties de wanna-be
- stinger67

Moi je suis un Avellinois. C'est fif et j'aime ça.

Voila.
- hscesq

For the record, without the extra 2-3M in salary cap, I'd take Phaneuf on my team

I know eh? Just yesterday I sold my 12 year old daughter to my 39 year old neighbour for a goat and traded the goat for 16 negros to plow my farm
- Pea-Brain

omg your neighbour totally FLEECED you.
Are you BRIAN BURKE???


omg this is gonna piss off our Leaf whiners lol

For the record, without the extra 2-3M in salary cap, I'd take Phaneuf on my team
- Pea-Brain

And lose the, what, 8 years of career? No way.

Read my last post. You are wrong....again.
- stormey

Voted most overrated player in the league

Voted most overrated player in the league
- BashCH

Overrated is very different from sucking.