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PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Aug 20 @ 4:35 PM ET
I cant wait to see what Giroux gets.
- stveshdy


Another reason why I don't have an issue with this contract. Hartnell has missed 3 games in the last 5 years. There is something to be said for that. He's earned this contract imo.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Aug 20 @ 4:35 PM ET
Anthony SanFilippo ‏@AnthonySan37

I'm hearing the cap hit for Hartnell is $5.5 million per, so if my math is right, that would make it a $33 million deal. #Flyers

- FLYERSROCK!




$5.5M is fine -- if it's front-loaded, that should mitigate the six-year term.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 20 @ 4:35 PM ET
Homer loves spending Comcast money
- vejim


He was going to spend $110 on Weber so why not sign some guys to extensions since we have it.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Aug 20 @ 4:36 PM ET
I cant wait to see what Giroux gets.
- stveshdy

Ain't that the biggest conversation nobody's having?
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Aug 20 @ 4:36 PM ET
Ain't that the biggest conversation nobody's having?
- BulliesPhan87

someone will complain.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 20 @ 4:36 PM ET
Another reason why I don't have an issue with this contract. Hartnell has missed 3 games in the last 5 years. There is something to be said for that. He's earned this contract imo.
- PLindbergh31


I dont mind the AAV of this deal. Its fair.
vejim
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: FL
Joined: 07.08.2007

Aug 20 @ 4:37 PM ET
Ain't that the biggest conversation nobody's having?
- BulliesPhan87

8.5 mill per year for 12 years for Giroux
FLYERSROCK!
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Anyone who takes Andrew MacDonald's contract will instantly become my 3rd favourite team, SK
Joined: 09.09.2008

Aug 20 @ 4:37 PM ET
Another reason why I don't have an issue with this contract. Hartnell has missed 3 games in the last 5 years. There is something to be said for that. He's earned this contract imo.
- PLindbergh31

Friend is bashing the signing syaing that hes had 1 good year and is a 25-25 guy... playing with G he isnt. Hes a 35-30 guy
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 20 @ 4:37 PM ET
Ain't that the biggest conversation nobody's having?
- BulliesPhan87


They may have to trade three players to keep him and his cap hit. Especially if the new CBA only allows for 5 year deals max.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Aug 20 @ 4:38 PM ET
Another reason why I don't have an issue with this contract. Hartnell has missed 3 games in the last 5 years. There is something to be said for that. He's earned this contract imo.
- PLindbergh31

He consistently plays the games and breaks the 20 goal mark (except, for 2009-10, though I think his playoffs were enough to look past it). I like keeping the oaf around.
Deasr1
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mays Landing, NJ
Joined: 06.21.2009

Aug 20 @ 4:38 PM ET
Hartnell annoyed me the first couple of years here. However, past 2 years, especially last year, he has really grown on me. He changed some for the better. Glad to see a character like that stay around awhile. Homer locking everyone up before there is a cap on years in new CBA
flyler
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: LA, CA
Joined: 05.23.2008

Aug 20 @ 4:39 PM ET
Power forwards are notorious for major declines around age 32-35... and signing him right after a career year almost assures that he's snagged himself a healthy raise. Have to see the terms first, but a 3-4 year deal would have been ideal.
- Tomahawk


Well, Hartnell has been thus far very Durable (Knock on wood). And I would point out that the whole point of signing everyone right now is to take advantage of the longer term Signing ability of the CBA and probably includes a front loaded deal to keep the whole thing cap friendly.

I'll be honest, the one guy I would like to sign to one of these extentions is Coburn. I have a feeling that for better or worse, he will be our #1 Defensemen once Kimmo retires.

edit: Darn just had the deal come out. 5.5 pretty good.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Aug 20 @ 4:39 PM ET
Friend is bashing the signing syaing that hes had 1 good year and is a 25-25 guy... playing with G he isnt. Hes a 35-30 guy
- FLYERSROCK!


Fair deal for both sides. I would prefer it be 4 yrs or 5 tops, but not that big of a deal. Power forwards who average around 25 goals a year for the better part of six years are going to get paid.
feelingkettle
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "No sir, I don't like it" Phil, PA
Joined: 11.13.2006

Aug 20 @ 4:40 PM ET
He consistently plays the games and breaks the 20 goal mark (except, for 2009-10, though I think his playoffs were enough to look past it). I like keeping the oaf around.
- BulliesPhan87

He has been a big part of the top line of the team the last 3 years.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Aug 20 @ 4:40 PM ET
They may have to trade three players to keep him and his cap hit. Especially if the new CBA only allows for 5 year deals max.
- stveshdy

I suppose we'll see, what with the CBA uncertainty. He won't be cheap though, that's for sure.
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Aug 20 @ 4:40 PM ET
Oh wow I'm a pro-athlete who'd a thunk it?
- JoeRussomanno

Yeah, I'm sure you were recruited, paid, and trained to be an athlete for the service in which you were enlisted with no intention of you ever doing anything military.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Aug 20 @ 4:40 PM ET
He consistently plays the games and breaks the 20 goal mark (except, for 2009-10, though I think his playoffs were enough to look past it). I like keeping the oaf around.
- BulliesPhan87




No problem with giving money to a guy who answers the bell every night.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Aug 20 @ 4:40 PM ET
Well, Hartnell has been thus far very Durable (Knock on wood). And I would point out that the whole point of signing everyone right now is to take advantage of the longer term Signing ability of the CBA and probably includes a front loaded deal to keep the whole thing cap friendly.

I'll be honest, the one guy I would like to sign to one of these extentions is Coburn. I have a feeling that for better or worse, he will be our #1 Defensemen once Kimmo retires.

edit: Darn just had the deal come out. 5.5 pretty good.

- flyler

they just re-signed coburn this past season.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 20 @ 4:41 PM ET
I suppose we'll see, what with the CBA uncertainty. He won't be cheap though, that's for sure.
- BulliesPhan87


He's going to command elite player money. I'm expecting over $8M AAV.
mayorofangrytown
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Downingtown, PA
Joined: 08.16.2006

Aug 20 @ 4:42 PM ET
Well, the attitude here on Hartnell has changed a lot since I was getting screamed down every time someone tried to trade him for a pair of new skate blades.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Aug 20 @ 4:42 PM ET
So apparently a career change for the Director of Top Gun. Now a stuntman.
- PLindbergh31


Suicide and someone dying really isn't something to joke about.
stveshdy
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.28.2010

Aug 20 @ 4:42 PM ET


No problem with giving money to a guy who answers the bell every night.

- PLindbergh31


You will be yelling at him by New Years (if theres a season).
bodiva88
Referee
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: There aren't any answers. Only choices.
Joined: 07.01.2007

Aug 20 @ 4:42 PM ET
?

So what, they were just gonna give him a 1 year extension?

Im not worried about the cap at all. We have more cap space than people think. Now stop complaining. This is a good day.

Also, Hartnell showed this past year that hes a vital asset to this team. Losing him would be a huge blow.
You're the only one complaining baout it so far...

- FLYERSROCK!

This isn't an election. He's entitled to his opinion.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Aug 20 @ 4:43 PM ET
Yeah, I'm sure you were recruited, paid, and trained to be an athlete for the service in which you were enlisted with no intention of you ever doing anything military.
- bodiva88

If you join the military to play sports you must be hard up for cash and really not that good anyway. The leagues you're talking about aren't quite "Pro" leagues, not much different than collegiate sports.
FLYERSROCK!
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Anyone who takes Andrew MacDonald's contract will instantly become my 3rd favourite team, SK
Joined: 09.09.2008

Aug 20 @ 4:44 PM ET
Cap hit is 4.75M, not 5.5M!!!!!!!
Anybody gonna bash now!?!!?

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN

Source: HARTNELL's cap his has AVV of $4.750 mill per year
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