What the hell ever happened to proving yourself before you get big money thrown at you ?? It's a joke that these kids are getting this kind of money thrown at them based of potential which may never be fully met.
- HawksGuySince85

He'll be the Oiler's Yashin.

Funny how before he signed people were saying he would leave ASAP for 7+ mill.


Now that's he's signed long term for 6, he's overpaid.


Oilers always lose!

You guys obviously don't watch Oiler games, and didn't even do any research on Hall before making a blog about him, or these ppl commenting on here it's actually quite laughable, try comparing Halls Corsi stats to Seguin and Tavares then make an educated blog about it, and Eberle is a stud for sure, but he's not better, not when you compare more in depth stats than points, and even hall was on a pace for very similar points to Ebs last year until he got hurt
- SpoiledByOil

1. Corsi 'stats' are, in the real game, meaningless and mostly useless.

2. Injuries might continue to be a factor for Hall -- as they have been.

3. Seguin is better, Tavares about equal.

4. Eberle is better.

5. Hall has been no more than learning how to lose in the NHL: ie, he could be a loser.

That being said, he is still a fine hockey player who needs to learn to keep his head up or his career will be a short one.

More interesting question, besides what Seguin is worth, is how much does Eberle get now? At least he has shown his potential more than Hall. I also agree that they should not have paid Hall more than Tavares or Duchene.
- immature_male

Two firsts and a second?

Two firsts and a second?
- Atomic Wedgie

Raymond, Ballard & a 2nd.

What the hell ever happened to proving yourself before you get big money thrown at you ?? It's a joke that these kids are getting this kind of money thrown at them based of potential which may never be fully met.
- HawksGuySince85

It's a risk that the Oilers feel is worth taking.

But look at the most optimistic scenario: salaries are rolled back 24%, and the guy lives up to his full potential.

You have a 40-50 goal guy, locked up for the next 7 years at $4.5 million.

As a GM or fan, wouldn't you be happy with that?

Raymond, Ballard & a 2nd.
- Marwood

Komisarek likes the low-fat butter on his popcorn during games.

Please let the Vancouver press box know.

Thanks.

Komisarek likes the low-fat butter on his popcorn during games.

Please let the Vancouver press box know.

Thanks.
- Atomic Wedgie

Does he like waffles?

Does he like waffles?
- Marwood

Absolutely not.

He resents the fact that when he pours syrup on them, the syrup moves faster than him.

1. Corsi 'stats' are, in the real game, meaningless and mostly useless.

2. Injuries might continue to be a factor for Hall -- as they have been.

3. Seguin is better, Tavares about equal.

4. Eberle is better.

5. Hall has been no more than learning how to lose in the NHL: ie, he could be a loser.

That being said, he is still a fine hockey player who needs to learn to keep his head up or his career will be a short one.
- Vagabond

Something tells me that had the Oilers taken Seguin we would hear how Hall is better and Seguin is learning how to lose.


Just a hunch.

Komisarek likes the low-fat butter on his popcorn during games.

Please let the Vancouver press box know.

Thanks.
- Atomic Wedgie

Took 2 pages to turn this into a Luongo for Komisarek Leafs vs Canucks thread. Thats gotta be a record.

Took 2 pages to turn this into a Luongo for Komisarek Leafs vs Canucks thread. Thats gotta be a record.
- stuckey

He started it!!!!!!!!!!!!!

top 20 Corsi from last year

1 Daniel Sedin Van +22.5

2 Patrice Bergeron Bos +18.5

3 Tyler Seguin Bos +18.4

4 Henrik Sedin Van +18.1

5 Brad Marchand Bos +17.4

6 Andrew Ladd Win +17.1

7 TJ Brodie Cal +17.0

8 Patric Hornqvist Nas +16.8

9 Alec Martinez LA +16.7

10 David Booth Van +16.1

11 Alexandre Burrows Van +16.1

12 Justin Williams LA +16.1

13 Alex Goligoski Dal +16.0

14 Corey Perry Ana +15.9

15 Kyle Wellwood Win +15.8

16 Taylor Hall Edm +15.2

17 Gabriel Landeskog Col +15.0

18 Patrick Sharp Chi +15.0

19 Joe Thornton SJ +14.9

20 Mikhail Grabovski Tor +14.9
- IanEsplen

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So Seguin was above him, but was playing less time against way easier competition so really he should be, is there some kind of stat that measures production against level of opposition?

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So Seguin was above him, but was playing less time against way easier competition so really he should be, is there some kind of stat that measures production against level of opposition?
- SpoiledByOil

So this is the stat YOU quoted and told everyone else that they hadn't done their homework on. Pot meet kettle.

I am sure Hall is higher on the OILER LUV METER.

How is Seguin playing against way easier competition? I am sure when teams play the defending champs they are playing way harder than when playing team 30.

Absolutely not.

He resents the fact that when he pours syrup on them, the syrup moves faster than him.
- Atomic Wedgie

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So Seguin was above him, but was playing less time against way easier competition so really he should be, is there some kind of stat that measures production against level of opposition?
- SpoiledByOil

Yes, the stat is called "wins"

Something tells me that had the Oilers taken Seguin we would hear how Hall is better and Seguin is learning how to lose.


Just a hunch.
- robin_steele264

Besides...The Oilers got a better number one center anyways with Nuge...

But the haters will always find something to say. As with everything else...this will play out and we wont know who is right for about 4-5 years.

Yes, the stat is called "wins"
- A_SteamingLombardi

Awesome

Ian Esplen: JR, Taylor, & Ryp
JR, Taylor, & Ryp
- IanEsplen

Tavares re-signed a year ago, Taylor Hall's contract doesn't take effect for another year. There's been a pretty big change in the market over that time.

Duchene's is designed as a show me contract (way shorter term, less money, he's still an RFA when it expires). It's not really that comparable either since the contracts aim to do different things. In fact, Duchene's contract could indicates one thing about his health and Hall's indicates something different altogether.

So this is the stat YOU quoted and told everyone else that they hadn't done their homework on. Pot meet kettle.

I am sure Hall is higher on the OILER LUV METER.

How is Seguin playing against way easier competition? I am sure when teams play the defending champs they are playing way harder than when playing team 30.
- stuckey

I'd say they had pretty similar competition actually: same off zone start %, both playing high PP and low PK minutes, both have a quality of competition rating below 1 (Hall's was slightlt better).

I really don't think professional athletes play any team easier than they play others though, as you've suggested.

I'd say they had pretty similar competition actually: same off zone start %, both playing high PP and low PK minutes, both have a quality of competition rating below 1 (Hall's was slightlt better).

I really don't think professional athletes play any team easier than they play others though, as you've suggested.
- Morris

Fair enough.

I think that teams get up for playing the defending champs more than say Edmonton or Columbus.

My point was spoiledbyoil claimed "way easier competition".

Fair enough.

I think that teams get up for playing the defending champs more than say Edmonton or Columbus.

My point was spoiledbyoil claimed "way easier competition".
- stuckey

It's tough to make that claim when talking about players on different teams. There are many metrics by which you can easily say that Horcoff played way tougher competition than RNH, but it's all about how a player is used in a given system. There's an argument to be made that there are a lot more great players to lighten the load on Boston than there are on Edmonton, but then you could make the argument that there are a lot fewer offensive opportunities, too.

All in all they were pretty even in terms of their assignments, imo.

Fair enough.

I think that teams get up for playing the defending champs more than say Edmonton or Columbus.

My point was spoiledbyoil claimed "way easier competition".
- stuckey

It could go either way.

Hard to get up for a game when you know you are going to have to pay a physical price each time you touch the puck.

It's a little easier when you are playing a team that you know you can put some points on.

You don't get a little excited in your men's league when you are playing the 0-14-3 last place team, and last time you played them you got a hat trick while playing with a broken stick?

Id take JT over Hall and Hall over Douchene

Tavares re-signed a year ago, Taylor Hall's contract doesn't take effect for another year. There's been a pretty big change in the market over that time.

Duchene's is designed as a show me contract (way shorter term, less money, he's still an RFA when it expires). It's not really that comparable either since the contracts aim to do different things. In fact, Duchene's contract could indicates one thing about his health and Hall's indicates something different altogether.
- Morris

This is the only thing that is a bit off for me, that Hall will never be an RFA. I think the Oilers gave up too much on the length, and risk some years later if Hall decides he wants to test UFA. If the contract is shorter, the Oilers still have control of the situation for contract #3.