You don't think they've grown at all?
- BulliesPhan87

yea they grew. but its not enough to turn a profit. Read that article I posted, they're hurting. After this many years how much more time can they throw money at this thing and expect blood to come from the stone?

I'm only posting this b/c I like you but here
http://www.tennessean.com...-ice-success-public-money

It's actually worse than I thought looking for investors to chip in 15-20 mill yea they're in good shape.
- JoeRussomanno

To clarify, I'm not arguing this to be a Richard

Anyway, I've seen this article, and I'm not disputing the 'Poile needed to go to the owners to get Weber signed' part, nor that they're subsidized by the NHL and Nashville. But where's the data on tight budget teams failing due to signing top players?

This article brings me back to my original point, that this is a big risk to grow the brand. You know what grows a sports brand, generates the interest to make it profitable? Winning. What gives the Preds the best chance to win?

To clarify, I'm not arguing this to be a Richard

Anyway, I've seen this article, and I'm not disputing the 'Poile needed to go to the owners to get Weber signed' part, and that they're subsidized by the NHL and Nashville. But where's the data on tight budget teams failing due to signing top players?

This article brings me back to my original point, that this is a big risk to grow the brand. You know what grows a sports brand, generates the interest to make it profitable? Winning. What gives the Preds the best chance to win?
- BulliesPhan87

Honestly I'm trying to log off and am guilty of waiting for your reply. I don't have time to dig up that data but I do know if Nashville would have made a package deal with the Flyers for weber, it would have helped in a big way to their financials. First they wouldn't have gotten crap back in return. It might have initially made them a weaker team but if they load up on young talent at say Matt Read money, then they can still make the playoffs, remain competitive and with expenses down maximize their profits.

I'm not saying they will definitely fall on their face, just what seems most likely to me. I'm out.

How does that lower a team's Upper Limit to be Cap compliant?
- MJL

I have no idea... I read it elsewhere also but couldn't remember where and couldn't find it.

I'm curious about that too.

Honestly I'm trying to log off and am guilty of waiting for your reply. I don't have time to dig up that data but I do know if Nashville would have made a package deal with the Flyers for weber, it would have helped in a big way to their financials. First they wouldn't have gotten crap back in return. It might have initially made them a weaker team but if they load up on young talent at say Matt Read money, then they can still make the playoffs, remain competitive and with expenses down maximize their profits.

I'm not saying they will definitely fall on their face, just what seems most likely to me. I'm out.
- JoeRussomanno

That package may not have been an option. Also, I empathize: I should be working

To clarify, I'm not arguing this to be a Richard

Anyway, I've seen this article, and I'm not disputing the 'Poile needed to go to the owners to get Weber signed' part, nor that they're subsidized by the NHL and Nashville. But where's the data on tight budget teams failing due to signing top players?

This article brings me back to my original point, that this is a big risk to grow the brand. You know what grows a sports brand, generates the interest to make it profitable? Winning. What gives the Preds the best chance to win?
- BulliesPhan87

Fielding a competitive team, from top to bottom?

I have no idea... I read it elsewhere also but couldn't remember where and couldn't find it.

I'm curious about that too.
- mayorofangrytown

By cutting back the player's share of HRR. That would effect the salary midpoint, which affects the cap; but doesn't have to affect current player salaries.

Fielding a competitive team, from top to bottom?
- jak521

Well, that and cybernetic implants.

By cutting back the player's share of HRR. That would effect the salary midpoint, which affects the cap; but doesn't have to affect current player salaries.
- bradleyc4

Okay, I can see how they can make the overall player percentage compliant by taking more from the escrow hence dropping even existing contract within the overall cap but what I don't understand is how, if they allow existing contracts to stand, they are going to get individual teams under their proposed cap of 58 mil to start the season. 16 teams are currently above the proposed cap.

By cutting back the player's share of HRR. That would effect the salary midpoint, which affects the cap; but doesn't have to affect current player salaries.
- bradleyc4

interesting usage of effect/affect

interesting usage of effect/affect
- aightwebang17

should have all been "affects" I'M SORRY

should have all been "affects" I'M SORRY
- bradleyc4

eff it...no bigge

should have all been "affects" I'M SORRY
- bradleyc4

I was deeply affected by your post. However awb17's post had no effect on me.

Okay, I can see how they can make the overall player percentage compliant by taking more from the escrow hence dropping even existing contract within the overall cap but what I don't understand is how, if they allow existing contracts to stand, they are going to get individual teams under their proposed cap of 58 mil to start the season. 16 teams are currently above the proposed cap.
- mayorofangrytown

Buyouts?

(Should that be two words? I'll need an official ruling.)

Buyouts?

(Should that be two words? I'll need an official ruling.)
- bradleyc4

No.

Buyouts?
- bradleyc4

Even then, the Flyers would have to buy out 8+ mil in payroll and replace those two to three high priced players on the cheap. None of this is making sense. I feel like I'm missing a big chunk of information.

interesting usage of effect/affect
- aightwebang17

pretty sure he had it right, no?

Even then, the Flyers would have to buy out 8+ mil in payroll and replace those two to three high priced players on the cheap. None of this is making sense. I feel like I'm missing a big chunk of information.
- mayorofangrytown

I'd start first with thinking that the $58 million number is a starting point, not the endpoint, in the owner's proposal.

Also, I don't think too many -- outside of the owner's group -- believe that their proposal is feasible.

So a 12 goal forward can bank a 3.5 mil contract in Ottawa? I need to hire Turris' agent.

I'm only posting this b/c I like you but here
http://www.tennessean.com...-ice-success-public-money

It's actually worse than I thought looking for investors to chip in 15-20 mill yea they're in good shape.
- JoeRussomanno

The leader of the local ownership group said members have been forced to put $60 million of their own money into the operation over the past five years, largely to cover losses. The city has given the Predators $38.6 million in the same period.



And that was before the Weber contract.

And what kind of dummy votes to let public money be used for a private venture?

I'd start first with thinking that the $58 million number is a starting point, not the endpoint, in the owner's proposal.

Also, I don't think too many -- outside of the owner's group -- believe that their proposal is feasible.
- bradleyc4

Under their current proposal I don't see how they can drop the ceiling. Dropping the floor would do the trick but then the competitive balance they said they wanted in 2005 is shot.

Other than wanting more money none of the owners proposals make economic or competitive sense for the league as a whole. They might as well flush or move 6 franchises and be done with it.

pretty sure he had it right, no?
- Crimsoninja

Think affect should have been used in each case.

The leader of the local ownership group said members have been forced to put $60 million of their own money into the operation over the past five years, largely to cover losses. The city has given the Predators $38.6 million in the same period.



And that was before the Weber contract.

And what kind of dummy votes to let public money be used for a private venture?
- Scoob

Every elected official in the U.S.

Think affect should have been used in each case.
- aightwebang17

o damn, didnt even notice the first one. you are correct

ty for getting me
- bradleyc4