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Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 4 @ 3:57 PM ET
Seems like the Japanese have taken over the horror trade. All we can do is copy them.
- mayorofangrytown

LTROI is swedish i believe



jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Sep 4 @ 3:58 PM ET
It'll come as no surprise that I'd recommend the original Star Wars trilogy and Star Trek II (even for non-fans). On the burner, I've got the Rocketeer and Dark City (loaned to me by a friend). I've been meaning to watch Drive, as well.
- BulliesPhan87

Not a Tom Cruise fan, but Collateral was very good imo.

Lucky Number Sleven was also a very cool movie.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 4 @ 4:04 PM ET
Not a Tom Cruise fan, but Collateral was very good imo.

Lucky Number Sleven was also a very cool movie.

- jak521

Added to the list. That reminds me, another regular here recommended the Hustler, I never got around to it. It's a good problem to have, not being able to keep up with additions to this list.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 4 @ 4:05 PM ET
Added to the list. That reminds me, another regular here recommended the Hustler, I never got around to it. It's a good problem to have, not being able to keep up with additions to this list.
- BulliesPhan87

if you peep The Hustler, make sure to peep The Color of Money... semi-sequel directed by scorsese in 1986. fun movie
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 4 @ 4:09 PM ET
if you peep The Hustler, make sure to peep The Color of Money... semi-sequel directed by scorsese in 1986. fun movie
- Crimsoninja

Speaking of Scorsese, I need to find his all-star blues show 'Lightning in a Bottle', per the recommendation of a vinyl shop clerk this weekend.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Sep 4 @ 4:12 PM ET
Added to the list. That reminds me, another regular here recommended the Hustler, I never got around to it. It's a good problem to have, not being able to keep up with additions to this list.
- BulliesPhan87

I dont know if you like to read, but I recommend anything by David Benioff -especially City of Thieves-, Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafon, A Prisoner of Birth by Jeffrey Archer, The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark Haddon, and The Given Day by Dennis Lehane.

Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 4 @ 4:14 PM ET
I dont know if you like to read, but I recommend anything by David Benioff -especially City of Thieves-, Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafon, A Prisoner of Birth by Jeffrey Archer, The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark Haddon, and The Given Day by Dennis Lehane.


- jak521

Choooooooooooch
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Sep 4 @ 4:17 PM ET
Choooooooooooch
- Crimsoninja

ahahah I knew that was coming...
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 4 @ 4:23 PM ET
I dont know if you like to read, but I recommend anything by David Benioff -especially City of Thieves-, Shadow of the Wind by Carlos Ruiz Zafon, A Prisoner of Birth by Jeffrey Archer, The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-Time by Mark Haddon, and The Given Day by Dennis Lehane.


- jak521

The reading list has been a bit more neglected. Last book I finished was Slaughterhouse 5, and that was a few months ago.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Sep 4 @ 4:27 PM ET
The reading list has been a bit more neglected. Last book I finished was Slaughterhouse 5, and that was a few months ago.
- BulliesPhan87

Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 4 @ 4:31 PM ET
Not a Tom Cruise fan, but Collateral was very good imo.

Lucky Number Sleven was also a very cool movie.

- jak521


Kansas City Shuffle.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 4 @ 4:52 PM ET
We're dropping the Primeau thing and moving on. Jsaq and I have had this conversation too many times to keep boring this thread with more of it. He's not even on the side of the argument I disagree with. He's not the blind loyalist that makes me crazy.
- mayorofangrytown


Just to add my two cents. But I don't think it's a boring conversation at all. I've found it interesting. And it's breathed some life into this thread that lately due to the time of year and nothing other then the CBA going on, has been dead as a door nail.
JoeRussomanno
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: me bitter? F-no i think it's hilarious
Joined: 12.14.2011

Sep 4 @ 5:47 PM ET
Added to the list. That reminds me, another regular here recommended the Hustler, I never got around to it. It's a good problem to have, not being able to keep up with additions to this list.
- BulliesPhan87

Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was aight.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Sep 4 @ 5:49 PM ET
Ghost is small for a NHL defenseman. Not a lot of Timonen's out there and Gustafsson has only shown flashes. He could still end up a Freddy Meyer.

Gostisbehere's game is one of skating and puck moving. I worry that adding too much weight could temper his strengths and make him less effective

- Jsaquella


Patience is the name of the game with many of our "prospects"
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 4 @ 6:23 PM ET
Girl with the Dragon Tattoo was aight.
- JoeRussomanno

So I heard. I also heard Hunger Games is good for what it is.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 4 @ 6:49 PM ET
Patience is the name of the game with many of our "prospects"
- ob18


Trade 'em all
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Sep 4 @ 6:57 PM ET
Trade 'em all
- Jsaquella


SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 4 @ 7:27 PM ET
I see Laughton as similar to what Richards was projected as when he was drafted. Most people felt that Richards was going to be a third line center who worked his ass off, scored 15-20 goals and was a great leader and who was physical and drove opponents crazy. What I have seen of Laughton shows me he is a chippy kid, a pain in the ass to play against and he stirs the pot. He also has a good skill set.

Cousins is similar. He had higher point totals, but he's along the same lines-annoying to play against, not afraid of the rough going. Cousins reminds me a bit of Downie, although not as big or prone to fighting-and he also agitates others more than losing his own cool. His skating needs work, which makes me wonder about his offensive upside & ability to be a center in the NHL

- Jsaquella

In my mind Max Talbot is a poor man's Mike Richards. Both have the ability to show up in big games leadership and are sound defensively. The only thing Talbot missing is consistent offense.

With Giroux, Schenn and Couturier all being under 24, even two years down the road I must ask where Laughton fits within the flyers plans. I really wish we had more high end defense prospects.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 4 @ 7:42 PM ET
In my mind Max Talbot is a poor man's Mike Richards. Both have the ability to show up in big games leadership and are sound defensively. The only thing Talbot missing is consistent offense.

With Giroux, Schenn and Couturier all being under 24, even two years down the road I must ask where Laughton fits within the flyers plans. I really wish we had more high end defense prospects.

- SuperSchennBros


Laughton likely fits in as the 3rd line center, with Schenn perhaps staying at wing. Or perhaps one of the others becomes trade bait.

I don;t mind not having a stud defense prospect in the system, because then the pressure is on to actually develop him
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 4 @ 8:13 PM ET
Wife, to oldest kid: Get ready for bed

Me, also to oldest kid: Yeah, move your little derrière

Guacapoopie: Yeah, move your little Danny Briere!!
SuperSchennBros
Location: Not protected by the Mods...I mean Mob. Take your best shot!
Joined: 09.01.2012

Sep 4 @ 9:06 PM ET
Laughton likely fits in as the 3rd line center, with Schenn perhaps staying at wing. Or perhaps one of the others becomes trade bait.

I don;t mind not having a stud defense prospect in the system, because then the pressure is on to actually develop him

- Jsaquella

I think it would be waste of Schenn's talent if he became a full time winger in favor of another player. Or at least a waste of what Schenn could be.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 4 @ 9:18 PM ET
I think it would be waste of Schenn's talent if he became a full time winger in favor of another player. Or at least a waste of what Schenn could be.
- SuperSchennBros


How do you know that? Why can't Schenn reach his potential as a Winger rather then a Center? The League is full of players who were Centers that became very good Wingers. Simon Gagne came up as a Center.
Jsaquella
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Bringing Hexy Back
Joined: 06.16.2006

Sep 4 @ 10:00 PM ET
I think it would be waste of Schenn's talent if he became a full time winger in favor of another player. Or at least a waste of what Schenn could be.
- SuperSchennBros


Not sure how it's a waste of what he could be. Less responsibility defensively, allow him to play with Briere or Couturier as his center, frees him up to bang in the corners and in front of the net, don;t really see much downside to using Schenn as a winger.

He could also stay at center, with Laughton and/or Cousins being used as wingers. They still have a ton of options, and given the Flyers track record of drafting forwards in the late first round, I'm not going to complain that they had Laughton rated over Olli Maatta or the other defensemen available at that spot.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Sep 4 @ 11:03 PM ET
With Giroux, Schenn and Couturier all being under 24, even two years down the road I must ask where Laughton fits within the flyers plans.
- SuperSchennBros



The tendency is to view players just drafted through the prism of the current day lineup, but we all know that the Flyers have pretty high turnover of personnel. While it may be that they have a glut of centermen today, that depth was born mostly from the Richards/Carter trades, so the picture is liable to change drastically by the time Laughton is ready to crack the lineup.

I'd hope that Laughton could develop into a Brodziak or Chris Kelly type of player... competitive, steady and versatile, able to move up and down the lineup, shift to the wing with ease, and take the burden of tough defensive assignments off the team's top players.
BringBack25
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: deep lurk
Joined: 01.03.2007

Sep 4 @ 11:56 PM ET
The thing is, he did change, and fully embraced his new role. A lot of guys wouldn't or even couldn't do that sort of thing.
- Jsaquella


Admittedly I was captivated by the playoff run, partly because it was so unexpected and partly because it was sort of a comeback moment for him in a few different ways.

But the thing I liked best about Primeau (and what I think the team missed greatly when he left) was the attitude you describe above and in prior posts. The guy who knew he hadn't been getting it done, acknowledged his mistakes, rededicated himself to his new role, and really set a team-first example for the rest of the team.

I think that kind of thing is rare in the NHL, and in pro sports in general. And I found it pretty impressive. On the other hand, I can totally see MOAT's point of view that his entire body of work does not really justify the reverence in which many Flyer fans seem to hold Primeau. Can't really ague that based on his stats.

I would have loved for him to be able to continue his career and play at least a few more years in his new role. Had he been able to do so, I think he would have changed a few more fans opinions of him, and made the trade work out a little more evenly.
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