Yup he can. And the players can play in Europe.
- Betelgeuse

Then why don't they then? No one is stopping them from signing long term contracts there...instead they're complaining Sweden won't take any players on a short term basis until the lockout ends.

Bowen is the worst of the two. (frank)ing horrible. Like watching a Leafs version of Jack Edwards.
- Betelgeuse

Bowen used to be great but not no more. He's become dull, insignificant & un-noticable. Mabie it's cause the Leafs have sucked for 7 years. He was alot more fun when always in the playoffs prior to 2005.

I catch their feed when i stream some of the leafs games, not sure which dude it is honestly, i asked someone once they said it was Bowen, i took them at their word. Maybe it wasn't, but whomever it was, was not only a blind homer but likely has an IQ under double digits and ate paint chips as a child, it was painful to listen to. I understand him playing the homer card with the home crowd and all, but like i said it was Jack Edwards ish...
- Betelgeuse

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=46296

(10) Toronto -- Joe Bowen and Greg Millen

The anti-Leafs crowd won't own it, but Joe Bowen remains one of the best play-by-play men in the business, and his improvements over the past season were remarkable. His call is as exciting as any, and considering the incredible pressure that must be levied on the shoulders of a man who works for Toronto Maple Leafs brass, I'm surprised -- almost bewildered -- at how many shots he got in as the Maple Leafs struggled. Joe Bowen of the past would've Kevin Quinn'ed up the broadcast, ignoring the bad and coaching up the good. This Bowen? He's approaching an even keel.

Greg Millen is like a life-sucking tick. For the biggest hockey organization in the world, I'm hard-pressed to believe that Greg Millen is the best man for the color job. In fact, I think he's the worst man for the color job. He can't identify the play. He can't identify the players. He can't identify when to step in and when to play second-fiddle to Bowen.

Awful. It's a miracle this tandem made it into the top-ten with him as part of the equation

Chicken or the egg...did they players make NHL into the brand that it is, or did good business sense of the NHL create a stage for these players to be worth what they are? Why didn't the WHA kick the NHL's ass when they were stealing NHLers and had guys like Gretzky in the wings? Why don't the players just go play for money in Russia for the KHL?
- p_zub

You lost it right there.....


The owners are not the league, the players are.

If you take all the owners out of the league and replace with new ones, does anyone notice?Care? Do the same with the players and see how many care when their favs are missing. The Players ARE the league.

Then why don't they then? No one is stopping them from signing long term contracts there...instead they're complaining Sweden won't take any players on a short term basis until the lockout ends.
- p_zub

Aww yes, the daft guy again. This little nicky, cause it's honestly been a while since i have ran across someone so obtuse?

And what happens if the losses exceeded the amount allocated to escrow? Not much on the players side. I see what you're saying in that the players do bear some risk, but it is a mitigated risk in that there is a limitation to how much they can lose.
- p_zub

the players never lose money, they might make less. but never a negative, like about 14 teams in the NHL right now

You lost it right there.....


The owners are not the league, the players are.

If you take all the owners out of the league and replace with new ones, does anyone notice?Care? Do the same with the players and see how many care when their favs are missing. The Players ARE the league.
- burn

Like i said a while back no one pays to watch bettman and the owners skate around the (frank)ing ice. They are the product, the players are. Send in bs scrub players and no one wants to watch any longer, in fact would you rather watch the NHL or AHL? Not even close...

the players never lose money, they might make less. but never a negative, like about 14 teams in the NHL right now
- bobbyisno1

and who's fault is that??

the players never lose money, they might make less. but never a negative, like about 14 teams in the NHL right now
- bobbyisno1

So it's the players faults for over inflated salaries they demand that clubs can't support.

Like i said a while back no one pays to watch bettman and the owners skate around the (frank)ing ice. They are the product, the players are. Send in bs scrub players and no one wants to watch any longer, in fact would you rather watch the NHL or AHL? Not even close...
- Betelgeuse

AHL>>> NHL scrubs.

Do the employees at your workplace bear any risk of losses?
- burn

but isn't that the issue, that they want to be partners? a partner in my business would lose whatever the percentage of the partnership is.
the NHL lost almost 300 million last year, the players are at 57 percent.
shouldn't they cover 57 percent of the loses if it is a partnership?

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=46296

(10) Toronto -- Joe Bowen and Greg Millen

The anti-Leafs crowd won't own it, but Joe Bowen remains one of the best play-by-play men in the business, and his improvements over the past season were remarkable. His call is as exciting as any, and considering the incredible pressure that must be levied on the shoulders of a man who works for Toronto Maple Leafs brass, I'm surprised -- almost bewildered -- at how many shots he got in as the Maple Leafs struggled. Joe Bowen of the past would've Kevin Quinn'ed up the broadcast, ignoring the bad and coaching up the good. This Bowen? He's approaching an even keel.

Greg Millen is like a life-sucking tick. For the biggest hockey organization in the world, I'm hard-pressed to believe that Greg Millen is the best man for the color job. In fact, I think he's the worst man for the color job. He can't identify the play. He can't identify the players. He can't identify when to step in and when to play second-fiddle to Bowen.

Awful. It's a miracle this tandem made it into the top-ten with him as part of the equation
- burn

Yost's list? Really? Anyways i explained my reasoning to you, as i was posting on here in a leafs thread while asking the question, everyone said Bowen, so i took it that is who it was, maybe it was Millen, i dunno?

So it's the players faults for over inflated salaries they demand that clubs can't support.
- AdamFrench

players should bare burdens of ownership.

So it's the players faults for over inflated salaries they demand that clubs can't support.
- AdamFrench

you mean the fans can't support in almost half the markets

but isn't that the issue, that they want to be partners? a partner in my business would lose whatever the percentage of the partnership is.
the NHL lost almost 300 million last year, the players are at 57 percent.
shouldn't they cover 57 percent of the loses if it is a partnership?
- bobbyisno1

(frank)ing right it's the issue, and if i am a player and im taking the risk too, then i want some of your (frank)ing profit margin when money goes up... Cant have it one way...

but isn't that the issue, that they want to be partners? a partner in my business would lose whatever the percentage of the partnership is.
the NHL lost almost 300 million last year, the players are at 57 percent.
shouldn't they cover 57 percent of the loses if it is a partnership?
- bobbyisno1

#1 They didn't ask for a partnership.

and #2 they don't have any share in ownership. Thus no partnership.

players should bare burdens of ownership.
- burn

So they should just reap all the reward and take no damages? The salaries keep going up and up they keep getting better training and facilities, they don't pay into that, just get the reward.

you mean the fans can't support in almost half the markets
- bobbyisno1

thats not the fault of the players.

So they should just reap all the reward and take no damages? The salaries keep going up and up they keep getting better training and facilities, they don't pay into that, just get the reward.
- AdamFrench

if they are the employees then yeah. in on other business do the workers bare burden of ownership. its utter nonsense. how can you ask (demand) they share burden without sharing ownership?

So they should just reap all the reward and take no damages? The salaries keep going up and up they keep getting better training and facilities, they don't pay into that, just get the reward.
- AdamFrench

obviously he is on the side of ever escalating salaries and endless lockouts.

thats not the fault of the players.
- burn

really? by demanding so much money!!
shake your head

So they should just reap all the reward and take no damages? The salaries keep going up and up they keep getting better training and facilities, they don't pay into that, just get the reward.
- AdamFrench

again who's fault is the salary escalation?

if things are so bad why are owners building new facilities for practice/training and redoing the player facilities?

So they should just reap all the reward and take no damages? The salaries keep going up and up they keep getting better training and facilities, they don't pay into that, just get the reward.
- AdamFrench

You want your employees to compete in the ultra competitive world you will pay for their training, we are talking about billionaires here not (frank)ing nickle and dime mom and pop store owners...

really? by demanding so much money!!
shake your head
- bobbyisno1

the players demanded so much money, and who gave it out hand over fist? the owners are tripping over themselves to hand out the coin, even ones who 2 month previous spoke out about the system and needing change.

but it's all the players fault. shake your head right back.

if they are the employees then yeah. in on other business do the workers bare burden of ownership. its utter nonsense. how can you ask (demand) they share burden without sharing ownership?
- burn

Sure, ill share the burden, and you will share some of that new TV deal... Otherwise GFY. That simple really...