The Players’ propose that they partner with the high-income teams to provide targeted funding for the distressed teams and owners. But the players won’t and shouldn’t have to do this alone. The higher income teams need to share far more with the lower revenue teams. The Players will do their part; will the owners?


this is ridiculous, if it is a partnership between the players and the NHL how come it's only the owners that lose money?
does the higher earning players revenue share with the 4th liners?
- bobbyisno1

Problem is, it's not the owners or players who lose money on this insane venture. It's the fans from Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Rangers, Flyers, Boston, Chicago, Detroit and Calgary, that lose money. These top revenue teams already pay huge amounts of cash, to keep the bottom 10 teams afloat. I for one, as a Leafs fan, refuse to pay any more money, so these money losing teams can stay afloat. I'm all for giving a team a couple of years help, to get them to become a stable franchise. What I'm not prepared to do, is pay for a long term bailout of the same teams, year in and year out, so they can give away their tickets for the price of a couple of ACC beers, while we pay hundreds of dollars for a similar seat in our buildings.

please.. he was a lover of the theatre
- Dozzer

So was John Wilkes Booth!

- Pecafan Fan

cant tell if sarcastic or serious....

So was John Wilkes Booth!
- JohnnyReb

i dont think so.. i think it made him violent and angry

prolly the price of booze in those places... i mean COME ON

exactly.. the players cant seem to figure out that they are employees.. they have no right to the benefits of ownership.. none at all.

without a league the players are just normal guys..

the owners however are still billionaires.

who needs who now?
- Dozzer

the players and billionaires need us

the players and billionaires need us
- Colin Dambrauskas

no Colin... they really dont lol

Problem is, it's not the owners or players who lose money on this insane venture. It's the fans from Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, Rangers, Flyers, Boston, Chicago, Detroit and Calgary, that lose money. These top revenue teams already pay huge amounts of cash, to keep the bottom 10 teams afloat. I for one, as a Leafs fan, refuse to pay any more money, so these money losing teams can stay afloat. I'm all for giving a team a couple of years help, to get them to become a stable franchise. What I'm not prepared to do, is pay for a long term bailout of the same teams, year in and year out, so they can give away their tickets for the price of a couple of ACC beers, while we pay hundreds of dollars for a similar seat in our buildings.
- PrinceLH

regardless if Pheonix started selling their seats for 100$ and sold out each game, the ACC would still sell high...its supply and demand my friend...nothing more.

They keep raising the ticket prices, cause we keep going....not to get more money for struggling teams.

too soon PrinceLH.. way way way too soon.

regardless if Pheonix started selling their seats for 100$ and sold out each game, the ACC would still sell high...its supply and demand my friend...nothing more.

They keep raising the ticket prices, cause we keep going....not to get more money for struggling teams.
- Colin Dambrauskas

This is actually false.

Off the top of my head, I don't think the Leafs have raised ticket prices since the last lockout. Maybe once, but definitely not twice.

The face value of the tickets has risen, but season ticket holders do not pay face value.

exactly.. the players cant seem to figure out that they are employees.. they have no right to the benefits of ownership.. none at all.

without a league the players are just normal guys..

the owners however are still billionaires.

who needs who now?
- Dozzer

why do they still sign these employees (as you put it) to unrealalistic contracts?
Look at the Wild as an example over 200 mil for 2 players. Ya there's the cap floor to think of if they want HRR sharing.
Unless they signed those players thinking that there will 20-24% roll-back in wages?
Gee it starting to sound like Walmart ... Rolling back the price.

too soon PrinceLH.. way way way too soon.
- Dozzer

Yeah, I know. I just hate to see another round of bigotry from some of those clowns in Le Belle Provance.

regardless if Pheonix started selling their seats for 100$ and sold out each game, the ACC would still sell high...its supply and demand my friend...nothing more.

They keep raising the ticket prices, cause we keep going....not to get more money for struggling teams.
- Colin Dambrauskas

Maybe not, but if the NHLPA demands that the top 10 teams increase their payments to bottom feeder teams, you can sure as hell bet your as$ that MLSE will increase ticket prices. Why? Because the extra sum of cash that will be going to the NHL for equalization payments will be coming out of our pockets, not their corporate pockets.

no Colin... they really dont lol
- Dozzer

Oh, so youre telling me that the owners could care less if we all just screwed off and became NBA fans instead? Or if we took up puzzle making instead?....I get what you mean, that they can survive without us as they have plenty of dough.

But realistically, these owners have millions of their monies tied into the NHL and for a large part of them, its their primary source of income. These guys are businessmen...and if one of their biggest ventures collapses, they will certainly feel the pain.

Theyre rich because they know how to make money, theyre not rich cause they let their money be pissed away. Thus, they're going to keep fighting for more money and if this escalates and fans revolt...they may start to realize how important the fans are to their sucess.

why do they still sign these employees (as you put it) to unrealalistic contracts?
Look at the Wild as an example over 200 mil for 2 players. Ya there's the cap floor to think of if they want HRR sharing.
Unless they signed those players thinking that there will 20-24% roll-back in wages?
Gee it starting to sound like Walmart ... Rolling back the price.
- dmnted

I have an idea why the Wild pulled the trigger when they did. The CBA was about to close out, in a few weeks and the rules would have changed. This was an opportunity for the Wild to set themselves up, for the next 10 years, with some high end talent, without having to draft and develop it, themselves. If they had waited, other teams would have done the same thing......see Flyers and Weber. The new CBA will probably do away with front loaded, long term contracts. Last call at the Bar, so Minnesota jumped at it!

why do they still sign these employees (as you put it) to unrealalistic contracts?
Look at the Wild as an example over 200 mil for 2 players. Ya there's the cap floor to think of if they want HRR sharing.
Unless they signed those players thinking that there will 20-24% roll-back in wages?
Gee it starting to sound like Walmart ... Rolling back the price.
- dmnted

The Minnesota Wild will argue that the current system forces them to sign players to these contracts.

That failing to land big players will make them non-competitive, which will lead to loss of fan interest, and loss of revenues.

Don't shoot the messenger - I'm just telling you what their thinking is.

Oh, so youre telling me that the owners could care less if we all just screwed off and became NBA fans instead? Or if we took up puzzle making instead?....I get what you mean, that they can survive without us as they have plenty of dough.

But realistically, these owners have millions of their monies tied into the NHL and for a large part of them, its their primary source of income. These guys are businessmen...and if one of their biggest ventures collapses, they will certainly feel the pain.

Theyre rich because they know how to make money, theyre not rich cause they let their money be pissed away. Thus, they're going to keep fighting for more money and if this escalates and fans revolt...they may start to realize how important the fans are to their sucess.
- Colin Dambrauskas

I don't think so...

cant tell if sarcastic or serious....


- Dozzer

I agree with you 100%.

Maybe not, but if the NHLPA demands that the top 10 teams increase their payments to bottom feeder teams, you can sure as hell bet your as$ that MLSE will increase ticket prices. Why? Because the extra sum of cash that will be going to the NHL for equalization payments will be coming out of our pockets, not their corporate pockets.
- ILoveLamp

You nailed it and all the fans from large market teams better wake up to this and demand that this doesn't happen. It's already too much and I don't want this welfare setup for small market teams that can't compete. Gary and Donald, find a better way!

I don't think so...
- Atomic Wedgie

I dont know, taking a guess...I would assume that a majority of them are bringing in a large portion of their salaries via NHL ownership...could be wrong.

exactly.. the players cant seem to figure out that they are employees.. they have no right to the benefits of ownership.. none at all.

without a league the players are just normal guys..

the owners however are still billionaires.

who needs who now?
- Dozzer

Exactly. No owner established their millions/billions by starting out with a pro sports team.

why do they still sign these employees (as you put it) to unrealalistic contracts?
Look at the Wild as an example over 200 mil for 2 players. Ya there's the cap floor to think of if they want HRR sharing.
Unless they signed those players thinking that there will 20-24% roll-back in wages?
Gee it starting to sound like Walmart ... Rolling back the price.
- dmnted

who knows?

i'm not a billionaire

they dont need to league to continue being billionaires.. perhaps its just a desire to win

but if you think that any owner has their entire investment portfolio wrapped up in a team you're fooling yourself.

the point is.. the owners will continue to stay rich with or without the league.. the players will have to go elsewhere and try to bankrupt someone else

Oh, so youre telling me that the owners could care less if we all just screwed off and became NBA fans instead? Or if we took up puzzle making instead?....I get what you mean, that they can survive without us as they have plenty of dough.

But realistically, these owners have millions of their monies tied into the NHL and for a large part of them, its their primary source of income. These guys are businessmen...and if one of their biggest ventures collapses, they will certainly feel the pain.

Theyre rich because they know how to make money, theyre not rich cause they let their money be pissed away. Thus, they're going to keep fighting for more money and if this escalates and fans revolt...they may start to realize how important the fans are to their sucess.
- Colin Dambrauskas

no colin... lol it really isnt

lets just refrain from calling other posters names... regardless of what we think of any particular fanbase IQ
- Dozzer

Sorry...calling someone a hillbilly is bad?

The Minnesota Wild will argue that the current system forces them to sign players to these contracts.

That failing to land big players will make them non-competitive, which will lead to loss of fan interest, and loss of revenues.

Don't shoot the messenger - I'm just telling you what their thinking is.
- Atomic Wedgie

The flaw in their argument was that they they weren't overpaying to retain current young players/stars. I'm sure people feel differently when Nashville has to overpay to keep Weber and Rinne around versus have to lure other players via free agency. There are many teams who have way more money than Minnesota, who choose not to overpay at UFA time...and there are many teams who can remain competitive despite not giving 10+ year contracts.

I dont know, taking a guess...I would assume that a majority of them are bringing in a large portion of their salaries via NHL ownership...could be wrong.
- Colin Dambrauskas

Habs.

That's about the only one that pops in my head.

Most are owned by mega-corporations (Leafs), or guys/families with huge other businesses (Sabres, Lightning, Blackhawks, Oilers, Canucks, Jets, Wings).