Exactly. No owner established their millions/billions by starting out with a pro sports team.
- p_zub

exactly

anyone who thinks the owners NEED the league is fooling themselves.. they might make a decent profit off their team.. but without the league.. they could easily go on being rich

who knows?

i'm not a billionaire

they dont need to league to continue being billionaires.. perhaps its just a desire to win

but if you think that any owner has their entire investment portfolio wrapped up in a team you're fooling yourself.

the point is.. the owners will continue to stay rich with or without the league.. the players will have to go elsewhere and try to bankrupt someone else
- Dozzer

100% agreed. The players have every right to play anywhere in the world if they so choose because the working conditions are unbearable in the NHL. European hockey is much less physical in comparison, so why don't they go there and save everyone the "the owners don't sacrifice their bodies like we do, so we deserve many more millions" argument.

Sorry...calling someone a hillbilly is bad?
- BoBBeR56

if used in the right way

I dont know, taking a guess...I would assume that a majority of them are bringing in a large portion of their salaries via NHL ownership...could be wrong.
- Colin Dambrauskas

maybe one or two

look at the leafs for example.. do you really think MLSE made the majority of their money from them?

no, if they did they wouldnt sell

and rogers and bell.. pfft.. what they will make off the leafs will chump change in the grand scheme of things to them

Sorry...calling someone a hillbilly is bad?
- BoBBeR56

This guy wouldn't mind ..... you calling Hillbilly

I dont know, taking a guess...I would assume that a majority of them are bringing in a large portion of their salaries via NHL ownership...could be wrong.
- Colin Dambrauskas

The Ducks are now worth a reported value of $188 million
Forbes placed Ducks owner Samueli's net worth at $2.3 billion

Jeremy Maurice Jacobs, Sr owner of Bruins and Delaware North Companies. The company employs over 55,000 people worldwide and has over $2.5 billion in annual revenues. Bruins value $325M

Terrance Pegula - Buffalo Sabres - sold Royal Dutch Shell for approximately $4.7 billion. Sabres value $162M

N. Murray Edwards (born December 10, 1959) is a Canadian businessman and a co-owner of the Calgary Flames hockey team. With an estimated net worth of $US 2.2 billion - Calgary Flames worth - $206M



Just a few examples....

no colin... lol it really isnt
- Dozzer

Ok, I was clearly off the rocker...didnt think that one through...clearly. But either way, point still stands that these guys didnt become billionaires by pissing away a few million...

The Ducks are now worth a reported value of $188 million
Forbes placed Ducks owner Samueli's net worth at $2.3 billion

Jeremy Maurice Jacobs, Sr owner of Bruins and Delaware North Companies. The company employs over 55,000 people worldwide and has over $2.5 billion in annual revenues. Bruins value $325M

Terrance Pegula - Buffalo Sabres - sold Royal Dutch Shell for approximately $4.7 billion. Sabres value $162M

N. Murray Edwards (born December 10, 1959) is a Canadian businessman and a co-owner of the Calgary Flames hockey team. With an estimated net worth of $US 2.2 billion - Calgary Flames worth - $206M



Just a few examples....
- Colin Dambrauskas

yeah... so hockey related revenue is peanuts in the grand scheme of things to them

as i said before.. if the players want all the benefits of ownership they should start their own league where they assume the liabilities of ownership as well.

right now they want half the profit while assuming zero cost. its ridiculous.

Ok, I was clearly off the rocker...didnt think that one through...clearly. But either way, point still stands that these guys didnt become billionaires by pissing away a few million...
- Colin Dambrauskas

i never said they dont want the revenue of the league

i said they dont need it

but the players do need it.

see the difference here? the owners should just sit tight and wait for the players to agree.. eventually.. there will be some clause that allows the owners to get out from under the union.. and start over.

sure it will piss the fans off.. but they'll come back.. they always do.

maybe one or two

look at the leafs for example.. do you really think MLSE made the majority of their money from them?

no, if they did they wouldnt sell

and rogers and bell.. pfft.. what they will make off the leafs will chump change in the grand scheme of things to them
- Dozzer

TSN/Rogers, did it for the broadcast revenue. Sure, the team will turn a healthy profit, but the broadcast rights will make them even more. By being able to bundle all of this, they can make even more money with mass media, smartphones, Pads, etc. It also locks out any competitor, that may be in the market, or wanting to come into the market. This recent deal was spurred by a U.S. company showing interest in the Leafs, last year, so the big media giants decided to move now, or maybe lose that opportunity.

i never said they dont want the revenue of the league

i said they dont need it

but the players do need it.

see the difference here? the owners should just sit tight and wait for the players to agree.. eventually.. there will be some clause that allows the owners to get out from under the union.. and start over.

sure it will piss the fans off.. but they'll come back.. they always do.
- Dozzer

Rich get richer...

Then again, KHL has money....say the bigger named players say "Screw you" and join the KHL...think the NHL survives without the star players? Frankly I might start watching the KHL if say the top 10% of the skilled players left....

yeah... so hockey related revenue is peanuts in the grand scheme of things to them

as i said before.. if the players want all the benefits of ownership they should start their own league where they assume the liabilities of ownership as well.

right now they want half the profit while assuming zero cost. its ridiculous.
- Dozzer

Well...as you said. When there's a lockout, unless players go to play in Europe, they won't be earning a salary aside from endorsement deals. The owners, personally, will continue to make millions in whatever industry they make their fortune in. The players insistence in playing only in the NHL further reduces their clout with the owners.

i never said they dont want the revenue of the league

i said they dont need it

but the players do need it.

see the difference here? the owners should just sit tight and wait for the players to agree.. eventually.. there will be some clause that allows the owners to get out from under the union.. and start over.

sure it will piss the fans off.. but they'll come back.. they always do.
- Dozzer

There is simply no mathematical scenario whereby the players will be better off financially by sticking to their guns, and missing games for a more favourable CBA.

I'm not taking sides.

I'm just stating the hard, cold reality to the players: missing games means missing income, that they will never earn back. Even if they do manage to force the owners to make a few concessions.

Rich get richer...

Then again, KHL has money....say the bigger named players say "Screw you" and join the KHL...think the NHL survives without the star players? Frankly I might start watching the KHL if say the top 10% of the skilled players left....
- Colin Dambrauskas

The KHL doesn't have the same money...what it offers in players salaries (not for all players, btw, just the top group), it saves by cutting costs elsewhere in the organization.

TSN/Rogers, did it for the broadcast revenue. Sure, the team will turn a healthy profit, but the broadcast rights will make them even more. By being able to bundle all of this, they can make even more money with mass media, smartphones, Pads, etc. It also locks out any competitor, that may be in the market, or wanting to come into the market. This recent deal was spurred by a U.S. company showing interest in the Leafs, last year, so the big media giants decided to move now, or maybe lose that opportunity.
- PrinceLH

missing the point

the owners do make money off the clubs.. i didnt deny that

but their personal lifestyle isnt about to change if the league doesnt operate.. they do not NEED the money

Rich get richer...

Then again, KHL has money....say the bigger named players say "Screw you" and join the KHL...think the NHL survives without the star players? Frankly I might start watching the KHL if say the top 10% of the skilled players left....
- Colin Dambrauskas

They may have money in the KHL, but it's run like a Mickey Mouse operation. Old jets that crash and burn, killing whole hockey teams, uneven competition. North America is by far the media capital of the world. People don't go to Russia to get discovered, they go to New York, Los Angeles and other big media cities. If that were the case, then why do most of the European hockey players, that have a will to succeed, come here to play junior and eventually play in the NHL? It's the land of milk and honey, my friend. Your not being shook down by the Russian Mafia, on a daily basis. Where would you rather play?

Rich get richer...

Then again, KHL has money....say the bigger named players say "Screw you" and join the KHL...think the NHL survives without the star players? Frankly I might start watching the KHL if say the top 10% of the skilled players left....
- Colin Dambrauskas

i am sure their families will just love living in russia

Well...as you said. When there's a lockout, unless players go to play in Europe, they won't be earning a salary aside from endorsement deals. The owners, personally, will continue to make millions in whatever industry they make their fortune in. The players insistence in playing only in the NHL further reduces their clout with the owners.
- p_zub

yup

in the grand order of things the boss makes more than the employee in all industries.. thats just how it works

There is simply no mathematical scenario whereby the players will be better off financially by sticking to their guns, and missing games for a more favourable CBA.

I'm not taking sides.

I'm just stating the hard, cold reality to the players: missing games means missing income, that they will never earn back. Even if they do manage to force the owners to make a few concessions.
- Atomic Wedgie

yup.. the players stand to lose far more.. the owners are no worse than status quo

missing the point

the owners do make money off the clubs.. i didnt deny that

but their personal lifestyle isnt about to change if the league doesnt operate.. they do not NEED the money
- Dozzer

I agree with you. I'm trying to show those who disagree, that the hockey part of it, is not what the owners dwell on. It's a means to an end and it's pure capitalistic. Most fans see it, more like a religious experience. The players see it as private corporate status for themselves. This is where the fan experience gets blurred and it becomes emotional. Players play to make as much capital as they can. Owners own, to build capital in their investments. Fans watch, because it's an emotional attachment to the banner/sweater/logo they relate to emotionally.

missing the point

the owners do make money off the clubs.. i didnt deny that

but their personal lifestyle isnt about to change if the league doesnt operate.. they do not NEED the money
- Dozzer

I can't help but think that the owners of the "broke" teams use their team as a tax writeoff for their other business ventures

I agree with you. I'm trying to show those who disagree, that the hockey part of it, is not what the owners dwell on. It's a means to an end and it's pure capitalistic. Most fans see it, more like a religious experience. The players see it as private corporate status for themselves. This is where the fan experience gets blurred and it becomes emotional. Players play to make as much capital as they can. Owners own, to build capital in their investments. Fans watch, because it's an emotional attachment to the banner/sweater/logo they relate to emotionally.
- PrinceLH

ahh yes.. okay.. i got ya now.. agreed

I can't help but think that the owners of the "broke" teams use their team as a tax writeoff for their other business ventures
- JIMI-JAMES

lol i would lol

exactly.. the players cant seem to figure out that they are employees.. they have no right to the benefits of ownership.. none at all.

without a league the players are just normal guys..

the owners however are still billionaires.

who needs who now?
- Dozzer

Ding ding ding winner!!!! Exactly most of the players expense if not all when on the road are covered food, hotel, transportation, etc. plus getting paid large amounts of money. Plus a lot of things are given at there home games as well. They seem to take a lot of this for granted not a lot of jobs would do this. Salaries are obscene now they should just be happy with that.

Anselmi is just another suit with no idea how to operate a sports franchise let alone an empire like MLSE. I heard his bs speech on the radio... same nonsense we've heard from any suit affiliated with MLSE in the past "the teams are progressing" "winning is cyclial"

The fact that this suit was front and center with TFC during all the hirings, firings and apologies to that fan base tells me he should have been poop canned not promoted...