I don't agree that Fehr is anywhere near what Goodenow was. Goodenow was plain incompetent. And to my knowledge, Fehr is willing to limit growth in player salaries, which is essentially a paycut as long as the richer teams share in helping out the poorer teams. The leverage the players have is that there is no Hockey without them. The Owners have no product to sell without them.
- MJL

If we lose another season than what's the difference between the 2? (Fehr & Goodenow)
Fehr lets his players in on more communication?
will he have them so united that we miss 2 or 3 seasons?

also, on the leverage with no hockey w/o the players, what's different now, than 8 years ago, how did that work out?
having a hard ass guy like this only makes the owners more hell bent on not giving in.

It is hard for me to post an opinion or respect others when no facts are posted or understood.

What is the TV revenue in total?
What is the ticket revenue by team?
Other revenue?
Cost to run operations? As Bill mentioned, the little guys cleanimg the stadium, serving drinks. The execs. The GMs. Coaches. What are these costs?

Anyone have a clue on operating earnings before player salaries?

I reiterate, it is tough to form an opinion with a knowledge base. Although it doesnt stop a lot of people.

2:10 left in the 3rd, Hanzel drills Pronger

- Pixote Andolini

did we trade for him or something?

If we lose another season than what's the difference between the 2? (Fehr & Goodenow)
Fehr lets his players in on more communication?
will he have them so united that we miss 2 or 3 seasons?

also, on the leverage with no hockey w/o the players, what's different now, than 8 years ago, how did that work out?
having a hard ass guy like this only makes the owners more hell bent on not giving in.
- puckhead17

The NHLPA just can't simply cave into the League's demands every time a new CBA is due. Fehr is correct in that the players did so in accepting the 24% rollback and the Cap the last time. Now they want the richer teams to share in helping out the poorer teams. It can't be cut the players salaries every time. Especially in light of record revenue being brought in.
As far as us fans are concerned, if the Season is lost, nothing will be different.

The NHLPA just can't simply cave into the League's demands every time a new CBA is due. Fehr is correct in that the players did so in accepting the 24% rollback and the Cap the last time. Now they want the richer teams to share in helping out the poorer teams. It can't be cut the players salaries every time. Especially in light of record revenue being brought in.
As far as us fans are concerned, if the Season is lost, nothing will be different.
- MJL

if a 50/50 were to get this done, Fehr wants no part of it.
he, again, gives the players bigger balls in the entitlement area?
that still doesn't explain how Fehr is any better than Goodenow?
a lost year is a lost year

the owners want to talk oranges
Fehr talks apples, each time he negotiates, he talks apples, like the owners would cave that easily, because he is who he is, the guy who screwed baseball.

Tim Wharnsby ‏@WharnsbyCBC

RT @SBJLizMullen Steve Fehr: "Today we suggested the parties meet in advance of the owners' self-imposed deadline of midnight tonight ...

Tim Wharnsby ‏@WharnsbyCBC

... Don Fehr, myself and several players on the Negotiating Committee were in the city and prepared to meet ...

Tim Wharnsby ‏@WharnsbyCBC

... The NHL said that it saw no purpose in having a formal meeting ...

Tim Wharnsby ‏@WharnsbyCBC

...There have been and continue to be private, informal discussions between representatives of both sides."

Allan Walsh ‏@walsha

Daly: "It looks like we are heading into a work stoppage that neither the League nor any NHL Clubs wanted. We will continue to work (1/3)

Allan Walsh ‏@walsha

hard to minimize the damage of this development, but ultimately, the Players Association and Players. need to take responsibility for (2/3)

Allan Walsh ‏@walsha

future growth of the game & the damage that they are causing with the hardline position they are taking." (3/3) Are you kidding me here?

Allan Walsh ‏@walsha

Daly: "It looks like we are heading into a work stoppage that neither the League nor any NHL Clubs wanted. We will continue to work (1/3)

Allan Walsh ‏@walsha

hard to minimize the damage of this development, but ultimately, the Players Association and Players. need to take responsibility for (2/3)

Allan Walsh ‏@walsha

future growth of the game & the damage that they are causing with the hardline position they are taking." (3/3) Are you kidding me here?
- ob18

did Fehr ever elaborate on why they refused to meet & start negotiations last year?
(according to Bettman)

if a 50/50 were to get this done, Fehr wants no part of it.
he, again, gives the players bigger balls in the entitlement area?
that still doesn't explain how Fehr is any better than Goodenow?
a lost year is a lost year

the owners want to talk oranges
Fehr talks apples, each time he negotiates, he talks apples, like the owners would cave that easily, because he is who he is, the guy who screwed baseball.
- puckhead17

Fehr and the NHLPA is willing to limit salary growth in future years and use escrow to lower player costs. The players took a 24% rollback the last time. Why should they, under record growth in the League, pay the full boat so poorer teams can do better? Why shouldn't the richer teams in the League share in a partnership with the players, in helping out the poorer teams?


And I'll state again that in terms of a lost year, which hasn't happened yet. For the fans it wouldn't be any better.

did Fehr ever elaborate on why they refused to meet & start negotiations last year?
(according to Bettman)
- puckhead17

I believe Fehr said he was trying to understand the current CBA and make sure he met with as many if not all the players to hear their thoughts for the next CBA.

Fehr and the NHLPA is willing to limit salary growth in future years and use escrow to lower player costs. The players took a 24% rollback the last time. Why should they, under record growth in the League, pay the full boat so poorer teams can do better? Why shouldn't the richer teams in the League share in a partnership with the players, in helping out the poorer teams?


And I'll state again that in terms of a lost year, which hasn't happened yet. For the fans it wouldn't be any better.
- MJL

Well based on what I've posted seems like the NHLPA want to meet to talk & the NHL says no or not until you agree to some or all of our demands.

This might be a while.

Fehr and the NHLPA is willing to limit salary growth in future years and use escrow to lower player costs. The players took a 24% rollback the last time. Why should they, under record growth in the League, pay the full boat so poorer teams can do better? Why shouldn't the richer teams in the League share in a partnership with the players, in helping out the poorer teams?


And I'll state again that in terms of a lost year, which hasn't happened yet. For the fans it wouldn't be any better.
- MJL

I agree the owners should as well, if it's a partnership

but

when it comes down to it, no one will tell sSnider Jacobs Illitch Dolan etc who to write their checks to, (hence, the stalemate)

Well based on what I've posted seems like the NHLPA want to meet to talk & the NHL says no or not until you agree to some or all of our demands.

This might be a while.
- ob18

I saw that, in other words Gary said 3 times, if I want you to bring "X" to the party, & Donald keeps insisting on bringing "Y" instead, then what's the sense in talking.

I saw that, in other words Gary said 3 times, if I want you to bring "X" to the party, & Donald keeps insisting on bringing "Y" instead, then what's the sense in talking.
- puckhead17

Well it seems they'll meet the NHLPA but only if they agree to I guess all or most of what's in the NHL's latest offer.

NHL seems to want a lockout the players don't.

did we trade for him or something?
- 2Real

F Kane. Sign his brother.

Well it seems they'll meet the NHLPA but only if they agree to I guess all or most of what's in the NHL's latest offer.

NHL seems to want a lockout the players don't.
- ob18

just like 2004

F Kane. Sign his brother.
- Daman

him?

I agree the owners should as well, if it's a partnership

but

when it comes down to it, no one will tell sSnider Jacobs Illitch Dolan etc who to write their checks to, (hence, the stalemate)
- puckhead17

You may be right. But if those owners stick to that, why should the players cave in and pay the bill? They paid it the last time. And what happened? Were back in the same place. With the League crying poor again and saying the players are making too much of the pie. So every CBA the players should just keep taking paycuts?

just like 2004
- puckhead17

I'm really thinking about spending the money for the OHL junior games online and forget about the NHL until a deal is done.

I saw that, in other words Gary said 3 times, if I want you to bring "X" to the party, & Donald keeps insisting on bringing "Y" instead, then what's the sense in talking.
- puckhead17

The sense is in talking and working out a deal. Bettman keeps saying that they are making concessions. But the starting point of where they are making concessions from is the ridiculous and original offer they first made to the players. Which in reality means that the League isn't compromising at all.