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Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Sep 27 @ 2:56 PM ET
This week's Across the Pond will be the last one for the duration of the lockout. NHL.com has had its budget cut by the higher-ups during the LO and the first thing to go from the site will be the freelancers, including me.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=642256
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 27 @ 2:56 PM ET
Yep. Not being able to anticipate plays is definitely a direct function of the team in front of him.
- bradleyc4



Well luckily Bryzgalov doesn't have that issue.
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Sep 27 @ 2:57 PM ET


Exactly. Jimmy Watson's low percentage for 6th/7th all-time (let alone not making the Top 3) indicates more people should read up on Flyers' history. Full Spectrum should be required fan reading.

- Flyskippy


Or Heroes of the Past or HB .
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 27 @ 2:58 PM ET
Shows alot of young posters on the site. No way Couborn or Hatcher should get voted for. Bundy was average at best.
- Stinkfitz



Hatcher and Therien should absolutely get some consideration on the list that was offered for 6/7 defenseman. I personally voted for Jimmy Watson and Bob Dailey.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Sep 27 @ 2:58 PM ET
This week's Across the Pond will be the last one for the duration of the lockout. NHL.com has had its budget cut by the higher-ups during the LO and the first thing to go from the site will be the freelancers, including me.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=642256

- bmeltzer



Can NHL.com freelancers apply for Unemployment benefits?
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Sep 27 @ 3:02 PM ET
Hatcher and Therien should absolutely get some consideration on the list that was offered for 6/7 defenseman. I personally voted for Jimmy Watson and Bob Dailey.
- MJL


My choices as well.

Stinkfitz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Aston, PA
Joined: 08.14.2012

Sep 27 @ 3:04 PM ET
Hatcher and Therien should absolutely get some consideration on the list that was offered for 6/7 defenseman. I personally voted for Jimmy Watson and Bob Dailey.
- MJL


Hatcher was a shell of himself when he got here. Playing on bad knees.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 27 @ 3:26 PM ET
Shows alot of young posters on the site. No way Couborn or Hatcher should get voted for. Bundy was average at best.
- Stinkfitz


It goes back to my point a few days ago - modern athlete versus the old athlete.

Many factors - different equipment, more international athletes, more teams, more travel perhaps - millions of factors that have to be discounted. I don't think it is as easy as some suggest here.

I voted for Coby by the way. Sooner or later, he will become the best Flyers d-man unless we go after Weber again.

Anyway - respect your opinion - but the voting results are the voting results.

Enjoy rest of your day.

Cheers!
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 27 @ 3:29 PM ET
Derek Boogaard's family is suing National Hockey League Players' Association for his death.

Absolutely amazing. Zero accountability, when dollar signs are in play, everyone becomes a pass the buck chuck. Boogaard was a drug addict, and if I'm not mistaken his Brother tampered with evidence, and the family is looking to shift the blame elsewhere for the almighty dollar. Just sickening.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 27 @ 3:38 PM ET
Hatcher was a shell of himself when he got here. Playing on bad knees.
- Stinkfitz


Yes sir. Hatcher was basically shot. He had some moments, but as you state he wasn't a facsimile of the player he was in Dallas.
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 27 @ 3:47 PM ET
Yes sir. Hatcher was basically shot. He had some moments, but as you state he wasn't a facsimile of the player he was in Dallas.
- PLindbergh31


I would put him on my team, if for no other reason than his classic knockdown of Cindy.
Stinkfitz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Aston, PA
Joined: 08.14.2012

Sep 27 @ 3:48 PM ET
It goes back to my point a few days ago - modern athlete versus the old athlete.

Many factors - different equipment, more international athletes, more teams, more travel perhaps - millions of factors that have to be discounted. I don't think it is as easy as some suggest here.

I voted for Coby by the way. Sooner or later, he will become the best Flyers d-man unless we go after Weber again.

Anyway - respect your opinion - but the voting results are the voting results.

Enjoy rest of your day.

Cheers!

- Daman


I think you have to go by how they played in the era they were playing in. Modern day athletes are machines compared to the 60's-70's players.

Coby may very well be what you say when his carreer is done but as far as his compilation of work to date i cant consider him for an all-time flyers team. Coby probably shouldnt be even on the list YET. Same i think for Hartnell. I think if he finishes out his new contract here we will be talking about him for this all-time list but right now its way to premature.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 27 @ 3:48 PM ET
Derek Boogaard's family is suing National Hockey League Players' Association for his death.

Absolutely amazing. Zero accountability, when dollar signs are in play, everyone becomes a pass the buck chuck. Boogaard was a drug addict, and if I'm not mistaken his Brother tampered with evidence, and the family is looking to shift the blame elsewhere for the almighty dollar. Just sickening.

- PLindbergh31

Is the lawsuit blaming them for his death? As I understood, they were suing the NHLPA for failing to file a grievance against the Rangers for withholding the balance of his contract (which legally they're required to paid out even in the case of player death, or so I had read), a grievance they allegedly assured the family would be filed.

To clarify, I'm not even remotely attempting to make light his drug abuse nor his brother's evidence tampering.
Stinkfitz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Aston, PA
Joined: 08.14.2012

Sep 27 @ 3:50 PM ET
I would put him on my team, if for no other reason than his classic knockdown of Cindy.
- Daman


I was at that game and have the bad memory of Crosby coming out of the penalty box and taking the game over. When healthy Hatch was dominate. Unfortunately he was done when he got here along with Rathje.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 27 @ 3:53 PM ET
Is the lawsuit blaming them for his death? As I understood, they were suing the NHLPA for failing to file a grievance against the Rangers for withholding the balance of his contract (which legally they're required to paid out even in the case of player death, or so I had read).

To clarify, I'm not trying to make light his drug abuse nor his brother's evidence tampering.

- BulliesPhan87


As I understand it they have filed suit claiming they contributed to his death.

"Boogaard's parents, Len and Joanne, are seeking the remaining $4.8 million their son was supposed to earn and an additional $5 million in damages. The NHLPA says that there are no grounds for the claim and have otherwise refused to comment. The allegations in the claim have yet to be heard in court."
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 27 @ 4:00 PM ET
As I understand it they have filed suit claiming they contributed to his death.

"Boogaard's parents, Len and Joanne, are seeking the remaining $4.8 million their son was supposed to earn and an additional $5 million in damages. The NHLPA says that there are no grounds for the claim and have otherwise refused to comment. The allegations in the claim have yet to be heard in court."

- PLindbergh31

I had seen that $5m figure and plain old forgot (I skimmed the article on my phone a couple days ago). Maybe the $5m is for damages caused by the delayed payout or something? I'm just trying to apply logic to it, I'd think if they were seeking to blame any organization it'd be the team (not to say they'd be correct in suggesting so). Either way, what an ugly situation.
PLindbergh31
Location: NJ
Joined: 02.01.2008

Sep 27 @ 4:02 PM ET
I had seen that $5m figure and plain old forgot (I skimmed the article on my phone a couple days ago). Maybe the $5m is for damages caused by the delayed payout or something? I'm just trying to apply logic to it, I'd think if they were seeking to blame any organization it'd be the team (not to say they'd be correct in suggesting so). Either way, what an ugly situation.
- BulliesPhan87


Yes it is an ugly situation for sure. I have a problem with the team being responsible for paying the remainder of his contract. Why should any employer have to make good on a contract when the employee destroys themselves?
Daman
Joined: 07.03.2011

Sep 27 @ 4:07 PM ET
I think you have to go by how they played in the era they were playing in. Modern day athletes are machines compared to the 60's-70's players.

Coby may very well be what you say when his carreer is done but as far as his compilation of work to date i cant consider him for an all-time flyers team. Coby probably shouldnt be even on the list YET. Same i think for Hartnell. I think if he finishes out his new contract here we will be talking about him for this all-time list but right now its way to premature.

- Stinkfitz


I hope I'm right on Coby. I don't have him top 6 all time but up in the owners box. I like 6'7"" guys that can skate.

You raise fair and reasonable points. I just view the "game" (best of all time game) a little different. Mentally, I take the old timers and zip them thru my time machine into today's rink with 2012 equipment.

Overall, I think it is fair to say that skill levels may be comparable but athleticism a little less so. Not to mention, however unfortunate, about all the drug enhancements that players use.

BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Sep 27 @ 4:09 PM ET
Yes it is an ugly situation for sure. I have a problem with the team being responsible for paying the remainder of his contract. Why should any employer have to make good on a contract when the employee destroys themselves?
- PLindbergh31

I don't disagree, but it's going to come down to the language in the contract. I wonder if the NHL will file a counter suit if they're required to pay out, perhaps suggest his drug abuse was a breach of contract or something?
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Sep 27 @ 4:10 PM ET
So you're from Lititz?
- bradleyc4

Correct. Warwick High School.

Born and raised. Reppin the big LTZ
flyers4487
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Jamison, PA
Joined: 02.15.2007

Sep 27 @ 4:11 PM ET
Its sad but the Apex of my hockey enjoyment comes from 1-3 when all the euro leagues are on, but hey its something.

On a side note I looked into getting the AHL center ice package online... IT COST 350!!! I get paying that price for the NHL...but ahl really? I would be willing to pay 150 to watch the AHL during the lockout....but 350 for what could end up being AAA hockey without NHL prospects.

Its like the AHL doesn't want anyone to watch...

I just wanted to see the Phantoms and the JR Oilers err the Barrons
Giroux_Is_God
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: CLASS DISMISSED
Joined: 12.15.2011

Sep 27 @ 4:11 PM ET
There's a nice white stucco house with a well tended flower bed and a grey wooden rocker on the porch waiting for you.
- mayorofangrytown

And that crisscrossy lookin wood things on the bottom of the porch
twotoekenn
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: perkasie, PA
Joined: 12.16.2009

Sep 27 @ 4:18 PM ET
I don't disagree, but it's going to come down to the language in the contract. I wonder if the NHL will file a counter suit if they're required to pay out, perhaps suggest his drug abuse was a breach of contract or something?
- BulliesPhan87


I think they're suing because multiple team drs and dentists prescribed painkillers.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Sep 27 @ 4:26 PM ET
And that crisscrossy lookin wood things on the bottom of the porch
- Giroux_Is_God

Lattice, pray ye?
funmaster18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine.
Joined: 03.15.2009

Sep 27 @ 4:35 PM ET
Lattice, pray ye?
- Flyskippy


I think it's spelled lettuce.



/sarcasm
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