Players who had their salaries rolled back 24% in the last CBA will have it happen again.

It's a weird demand, but I think Bettman is just trying to confuse Fehr.
- Atomic Wedgie

Grandfathering rollbacks.

Eklund is going to use that next.

Drop the percentages and grandfather rollbacks.

Just in time for the 13th.

Are you on drugs? Serious question.
- systemtool

Wrong again.

NHL players cannot become unrestricted, as per NHL rules, until a certain time frame. Somewhere between 5-7 years. Where you get this 3 year crap is beyong me.


Your employer does not own your rights even before you sign a contract, as opposed to the NHL who owns a players rights for years...whether they sign a contract or not.
- systemtool

The NHL doesn't own a player's rights.

It's just that if drafted, a team owns that player's rights, should that player decide to sign a contract to play in the NHL.

The player can still elect to not play hockey, or play hockey in any other league in the world.

The comparisons to "the real world" aren't helpful, because the NHL operates in a weird grey area where sometimes they are 30 seperate companies, but sometimes they are 30 franchises of the same company.

No, thats not true.

Coke cant stop you from working for Pepsi.

The Nordiques could have stopped Lindros from playing for any other team. These players all worked to play in the NHL. The goal isnt any other league.
- systemtool

You're clearly as slow as some of the other guys on these threads.

Coke & Pepsi IS NOT the same as Nordiques & Leafs

Coke & Pepsi = NHL & KHL

Nordiques & Leafs = Marketing department & Finance department

Clear yet?

Only the ones that make him talk slower.
- Two_For_Truth

I wish he would talk slower. He is typing responses so fast he isnt taking a second to realise the nonsense hes throwing out there.

I'm only using the 3 years because the company I work for in particular has that rule. Different corporations have different terms, but the principle is the same.

And yes....my employer doesn't own my rights before I sign a contract, just like the NHL doesn't own the players rights before they enter into the draft.

The fact you don't see these correlations is beyond me.
- Pen15

Grandfathering rollbacks.

Eklund is going to use that next.

Drop the percentages and grandfather rollbacks.

Just in time for the 13th.
- Two_For_Truth

Every spring, I roll back my grandfather clock 1 hour.

The NHL doesn't own a player's rights.

It's just that if drafted, a team own's that player's rights, should that player decide to sign a contract to play in the NHL.

The player can still elect to not play hockey, or play hockey in any other league in the world.

The comparisons to "the real world" aren't helpful, because the NHL operates in a weird grey area where sometimes they are 30 seperate companies, but sometimes they are 30 franchises of the same company.
- Atomic Wedgie

Umm..the whole point of all this is that the goal is to play in the NHL, where the average player salary is far and above any other hockey league in the world.

Good job on the bolded part. That player must love not having his rights owned while his rights are owned.

No, thats not true.

Coke cant stop you from working for Pepsi.

The Nordiques could have stopped Lindros from playing for any other team. These players all worked to play in the NHL. The goal isnt any other league.
- systemtool

Id say they certainly can for certain positions in the company.

You're clearly as slow as some of the other guys on these threads.

Coke & Pepsi IS NOT the same as Nordiques & Leafs

Coke & Pepsi = NHL & KHL

Nordiques & Leafs = Marketing department & Finance department

Clear yet?
- Pen15

You're clearly as slow as some of the other guys on these threads.

Coke & Pepsi IS NOT the same as Nordiques & Leafs

Coke & Pepsi = NHL & KHL

Nordiques & Leafs = Marketing department & Finance department

Clear yet?
- Pen15

NHL and KHL are not equal.

Clear, yet....

- burn

The fact this site is overrun with (in all likelihood), uneducated, low salaried workers such as yourself (and I don't mean that as an insult at all), I'm not surprised that you can't see the correlations.

I wish he would talk slower. He is typing responses so fast he isnt taking a second to realise the nonsense hes throwing out there.
- systemtool

Some things go so slowly, they just stop.

NHL and KHL are not equal.

Clear, yet....
- systemtool

Neither is Coke and Pepsi. But they are both options to work for.

Clear, yet...

Id say they certainly can for certain positions in the company.
- robin_steele264

How so?

Were talking without a contract.

As in, Tavares (for example) is drafted by the Islanders and refuses to sign. The Islanders refuse to trade him.

Therefore, Tavares is denied the right to play for any of the other 29 teams...aka Canada Dry, Pespi, Dr Pepper, Crush etc.

Yea, he can transfer to the water league...but the point was to be a soda pop. Just like we could all be unemployed or burger flippers, but we need and want better. It isnt a choice, its a last resort.

Neither is Coke and Pepsi. But they are both options to work for.

Clear, yet...
- Pen15

More equal than the NHL and KHL, so obviously its not clear...yet.

Every spring, I roll back my grandfather clock 1 hour.
- Atomic Wedgie

Roll back the rim to win.

Wait.

That ain't right.

Some things go so slowly, they just stop.
- Two_For_Truth

Hopefully.

It sure has come to a grinding halt on my end.

Umm..the whole point of all this is that the goal is to play in the NHL, where the average player salary is far and above any other hockey league in the world.

Good job on the bolded part. That player must love not having his rights owned while his rights are owned.
- systemtool

That's not the point at all. I'm pretty sure if you asked, 9 out of 10 people would prefer to work for Apple, or Google over any other company out there.

The point of this conversation is that players (employees) have OPTIONS of where they wish to be employed. At the end of the day, no one is holding a gun to their head and forcing them to play in the NHL. It's a CHOICE.

How so?

Were talking without a contract.

As in, Tavares (for example) is drafted by the Islanders and refuses to sign. The Islanders refuse to trade him.

Therefore, Tavares is denied the right to play for any of the other 29 teams...aka Canada Dry, Pespi, Dr Pepper, Crush etc.
- systemtool

Im sure a delivery man can do whatever, but the head honcho's who know the secret formula would likely be killed before they march off to the competition.

Not really concerned about how it applies to hockey.

aaaaand I think all those drinks you listed are made by the same company.

More equal than the NHL and KHL, so obviously its not clear...yet.
- systemtool

Really? You should take a look at their financials...might become more clear to you then.

Id say they certainly can for certain positions in the company.
- robin_steele264

Non completion clauses include that the employee won't take the companies Rolodex or proprietary business. It cannot stop the employee from leaving.

How so?

Were talking without a contract.

As in, Tavares (for example) is drafted by the Islanders and refuses to sign. The Islanders refuse to trade him.

Therefore, Tavares is denied the right to play for any of the other 29 teams...aka Canada Dry, Pespi, Dr Pepper, Crush etc.

Yea, he can transfer to the water league...but the point was to be a soda pop. Just like we could all be unemployed or burger flippers, but we need and want better. It isnt a choice, its a last resort.
- systemtool

You're actually clueless. It's official.

The fact this site is overrun with (in all likelihood), uneducated, low salaried workers such as yourself (and I don't mean that as an insult at all), I'm not surprised that you can't see the correlations.
- Pen15

Uneducated low salaried employees like me! That's rich. When did accountant become undeucated low salaried employee?


me thinks someone is projecting.

Non completion clauses include that the employee won't take the companies Rolodex or proprietary business. It cannot stop the employee from leaving.
- burn

It can stop you from working for the competition.

You are always free to quit.