My good flyershat fell off fell off the rack the other night and 130 pound dog laid on it all night now it's ruined. So I will be putting money in their pockets
- JoeRussomanno

As much as I'll cringe doing so, I'm kinda forced to get game center or center ice.... The nhl really should offer gamecenter for free or at a significant discount for being such dbags.

Your logic is a bit off there. If HRR goes up 7% next year, the contracts should only go up 3.5%. The 50/50 split would still have to be preserved. Overall, I like the idea and agree with all your points... I also really like the fact that the owner proposed cba closes the loop hole of burying players in the minors.
- JFlyers00

Thanks its friday morning and my math is off!

I disagree.

This process isn't only for the next CBA period, but it sets the table for the future. Imho, there should never be a situation where a signed contract isn't fully honored. Allowing a cut now (again!) is a bad idea. And tying the "give back" to potential future growth is risky to the players. They may never see the give back.

Owners signed the contracts, they should honor them 100%, as signed, with no funny business. Doing business any other way is dishonorable and sleazy.
- Scoob

Point is the players at this point have no leverage other than going to play in europe.... 50% is going to happen whether they want it or not. With the NBA / NFL setting the precedent, these owners arent going to budge from that 50%. As scummy as it is a lot of players signed their contracts knowing full well what was coming down the road. For me this is just a way that players can get some money back because in the end they will loose it anyway.

Point is the players at this point have no leverage other than going to play in europe.... 50% is going to happen whether they want it or not. With the NBA / NFL setting the precedent, these owners arent going to budge from that 50%. For me this is just a way that players can get some money back because in the end they will loose it anyway.
- Philly1980

On the other hand, the owners are losing money hand-over-fist, too. Where's their leverage?

Comparing the NHL to NBA/NFL is a joke. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison. It's not even an apples-to-oranges comparison. It's more like an apples-to-hat pins comparison.

Anyway, the players said many times yesterday they'll get to 50/50 no problem, just honor the existing contracts 100%, with no cutbacks and no funny business. That passes the "reaonable man" test, imho. Start there and get a deal done.

I disagree.

This process isn't only for the next CBA period, but it sets the table for the future. Imho, there should never be a situation where a signed contract isn't fully honored. Allowing a cut now (again!) is a bad idea. And tying the "give back" to potential future growth is risky to the players. They may never see the give back.

Owners signed the contracts, they should honor them 100%, as signed, with no funny business. Doing business any other way is dishonorable and sleazy.
- Scoob

No other league has cut contracts EVER!!! Why does everyone think it's okay for the NHL to do it a second time?

From the sounds of it, the players seem to be okay with the 50/50 split. They just don't wanna take a rollback in salary which is completely understandable. Its kinda f'ed up that the NHL rejected all 4 of the player's proposals in under an hour when the players took a few days to go over the last league proposal to draft those counter-proposals.

I've been saying this since the beginning, the cap and what not should just be frozen the 50/50 spit is achieved. The owners seem to want an immediate reduction though, and right now thats the deal breaker.

On the other hand, the owners are losing money hand-over-fist, too. Where's their leverage?

Comparing the NHL to NBA/NFL is a joke. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison. It's not even an apples-to-oranges comparison. It's more like an apples-to-hat pins comparison.

Anyway, the players said many times yesterday they'll get to 50/50 no problem, just honor the existing contracts 100%, with no cutbacks and no funny business. That passes the "reaonable man" test, imho. Start there and get a deal done.
- Scoob

THIS IS ALL GREED my friend i feel sorry for no one other than myself. if im the owners i would be like go get the same money in europe if you think you can.

On the other hand, the owners are losing money hand-over-fist, too. Where's their leverage?

Comparing the NHL to NBA/NFL is a joke. It's not an apples-to-apples comparison. It's not even an apples-to-oranges comparison. It's more like an apples-to-hat pins comparison.

Anyway, the players said many times yesterday they'll get to 50/50 no problem, just honor the existing contracts 100%, with no cutbacks and no funny business. That passes the "reaonable man" test, imho. Start there and get a deal done.
- Scoob

You know the two of us could fix this is a half hour...

THIS IS ALL GREED my friend i feel sorry for no one other than myself. if im the owners i would be like go get the same money in europe if you think you can.
- Philly1980

That's what they're doing and that's why there's no hockey.



You think the players are greedy? Show me one instance in any of the reports where the players are gaining a single thing in this negotiation. Just one thing... Even in the best instance in their own proposals all they are doing is keeping the money promised them and signed by both sides not just one.

THIS IS ALL GREED my friend i feel sorry for no one other than myself. if im the owners i would be like go get the same money in europe if you think you can.
- Philly1980

And the players say, fine, enjoy your empty buildings.

What does that accomplish? Nothing.

Be honorable, stand-up men. Honor the contracts you already committed to. Work out the future equitably be that 50/50, 49/51, whatever.

You know the two of us could fix this is a half hour...


- mayorofangrytown

Let's give 'em a call.

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And the players say, fine, enjoy your empty buildings.

What does that accomplish? Nothing.

Be honorable, stand-up men. Honor the contracts you already committed to. Work out the future equitably be that 50/50, 49/51, whatever.
- Scoob

Bring on the replacements i say....Millionaires fighting with billonaires what a joke. No one has any reason to whine...

I bust my ass all day to make a living and had to take a paycut so that the company which i worked for could stay afloat. You know what i didnt mind at the time because it was better than going to the unemployment line.....Owners can grab up new players anytime....and you know what you would watch. I love the game and couldnt care if some premadona made 88 million instead of a 100million. or 880,000 instead of 1 mill. cry me a (frank)ing river. lol

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- Philly1980

NHL is bluffing. That game means more to the owners than it does to the players.

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- Philly1980

Puh-leez! Were I a player this would be a total non-issue. Only two teams play the game and no player will make a penny more from it being played. It's just a regular season game surrounded by a lot of pomp and circumstance. The NHL is the big loser if the game doesn't happen.

There really is no excuse for any of this. 50/50 is fair. I would like to see the over 35 contracts rule to be adjusted or have the age limit raised. I have no problem with long term contracts or how much players are making right now. However I wouldn't want to see a Bobby Holik type player to never be signed to the contract the Rangers gave him at the time. Maybe stats should reflect pay, like a guide line. There were reports of a free pass for one contract months ago. I would okay that for now and only now. It's time to get organized. Keep Unrestricted free agency where it is as far as age to become one.

Bring on the replacements i say....Millionaires fighting with billonaires what a joke. No one has any reason to whine...
- Philly1980

It's just about money. Typically I wouldn't care who gets it, but for the owners to expect to roll back salaries a second straight time when no other league has attempted it once is beyond reason. I have to take the players side on this one after all they are us. The owners would rather spit on you than acknowledge you. Trust me, I've been in that position at least a dozen times.

Bring on the replacements i say.........Owners can grab up new players anytime....and you know what you would watch.
- Philly1980

Some may, but I wouldn't be among them. Pay to watch/support non-NHL caliber players masquerading in NHL jerseys? Yeah, right. I can go watch AHL and ECHL games to see that and keep mucho $ in my pocket.

Bring on the replacements i say....Millionaires fighting with billonaires what a joke. No one has any reason to whine...

I bust my ass all day to make a living and had to take a paycut so that the company which i worked for could stay afloat. You know what i didnt mind at the time because it was better than going to the unemployment line.....Owners can grab up new players anytime....and you know what you would watch. I love the game and couldnt care if some premadona made 88 million instead of a 100million. or 880,000 instead of 1 mill. cry me a (frank)ing river. lol
- Philly1980

Comparing what you and I make to professional athletes is unrealistic and pointless. You cant complain about it if you continue to watch the games and support their high salaries. Just my opinion.

Puh-leez! Were I a player this would be a total non-issue. Only two teams play the game and no player will make a penny more from it being played. It's just a regular season game surrounded by a lot of pomp and circumstance. The NHL is the big loser if the game doesn't happen.
- Scoob

Your right...If the players are holding this game over their heads, then cancelling it now might be better for negotiations. NHL wont loose that much.

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- Philly1980

Wait are the Pens in the winter Classic again?? Assuming they are since Crosby is the face of the NHL

Comparing what you and I make to professional athletes is unrealistic and pointless. You cant complain about it if you continue to watch the games and support their high salaries. Just my opinion.
- funmaster18

I watch the game because i love it...could care who is playing or what league im watching. The unfortunate thing is that if its not the NHL i cant get it on my tv...

PS i am a big clarkson golden knight fan.....

Bring on the replacements i say....Millionaires fighting with billonaires what a joke. No one has any reason to whine...

I bust my ass all day to make a living and had to take a paycut so that the company which i worked for could stay afloat. You know what i didnt mind at the time because it was better than going to the unemployment line.....Owners can grab up new players anytime....and you know what you would watch. I love the game and couldnt care if some premadona made 88 million instead of a 100million. or 880,000 instead of 1 mill. cry me a (frank)ing river. lol
- Philly1980

Its very hard to compare typical everyday jobs to hockey. Hockey is a form of entertainment. The players who play in the NHL are the best of the best. If the NHL uses replacement players, there is no way they even exceed 2 billion in revenue. Just compare fan bases for college football teams. No one can really give two shuts less about division 3 basketball or football.

I bust my ass all day to make a living and had to take a paycut so that the company which i worked for could stay afloat. You know what i didnt mind at the time because it was better than going to the unemployment line.....Owners can grab up new players anytime....and you know what you would watch. I love the game and couldnt care if some premadona made 88 million instead of a 100million. or 880,000 instead of 1 mill. cry me a (frank)ing river. lol
- Philly1980

What if your company came to you again and asked for a 25% pay cut? What if you knew for a fact they were making 3 times what they were making the last time they asked you to take a pay cut and you sucked it up for the sake of THE COMPANY? How would you feel about it then. Would you be grateful that they were making record profits and crowing to their friends while sticking their hands in you pocket to take back money they promised you?

Think about it. The NHL isn't a struggling business in this economy. It's friggin' turning record profits. You can't compare that to what's going on in your life. It's completely unrealistic.

I watch the game because i love it...could care who is playing or what league im watching. The unfortunate thing is that if its not the NHL its not on my tv...
- Philly1980

But if you watch then you can't get too mad about how much they make because they make that much because of you and I. Is it kind of ridiculous that athletes earn so much? Sure it is, but it would be hypocritical to complain about their salaries and then watch every game and support them, you know?

It's sad that there is a lockout with so much money to go around, but the NHL is guilty here of making demands and expecting the players to accept them. By not further reviewing the NHLPA counteroffers and working to find common ground between both offers it show the NHL is taking a my way or the highway approach. Yes, the players already make millions and can probably afford to give some up, but do can the owners and this is supposed to be a negotiation. Doesn't seem like the NHL is interested in negotiating.