MLB has great parity, even with a luxury tax system.
Why can't the NHL do something similar? Give the larger spending teams a higher cap.
Keep a cap floor and ceiling, based on a 50/50 HRR split, for any team that wants to. But also allow teams that can and are willing to give more than 50% to the players (using a higher cap #) a higher cap ceiling. - bradleyc4
It'll never happen. The reason the MLB is the way it is is because the MLBPA has a ton of power. More than any other sport.
Howard Eskin @howardeskin
#NHL its time to show #NHLPA they will not be pushed around for new deal. So #WinterClassic has a real chance to be cancelled.
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11m Howard Eskin @howardeskin
I'm told by #NHL source the league is seriously talking about canceling #WinterClassic. Players using it as leverage for deal.
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EEKS - Philly1980
Howard Eskin is an expert at getting inside info. It makes a lot of sense.
Doesn't it only take 8 owners to nix a deal? I can't imagine the Ed Snider voting for a deal like this (if this new rule counted against contracts signed under the old system). I can't imagine there aren't 7 more teams who would want nothing to do with this. - eayost
it takes 8 owners to pass a deal. It takes 23 to reject one.
That would equate to 25% growth if applied across the board and it's not. Growth is nearly 300%.
No matter how you shake it or stir it the NHL has dramatically increased revenue, the salary cap has risen along with it so the players are making more. You want a better split? The players are okay with that They're willing to work towards what the owners want. The owners want it right NOW!
No one can tell me the owners aren't acting like a bunch of children here. Who looks at three proposals that took 48 hours to put together in less than an hour and dismiss them then claim that the side that tabled them didn't run the numbers in 48 hours but you did in 30 minutes... please. I want to beat them all with a big stick. - mayorofangrytown
costs have also gone up since 2004....if so then why are so many teams loosing money?
While all NHL contracts have a base number attached to them and a perceived value (let's say 5M per year), the actual value that they signed on to, under the old system, is actually ($5M - %Escrow) correct? So how does one know what the "true" value of these contracts are in order to "honor" them? - eayost
Not neccesarily minus the % of escrow. That is a mechanism to ensure that the proper percentage is met. It was possible that it could be less then the signed value. But that's quite different from what the Owners want now. When the players signed the deals under the old CBA, they knew that was part of the deal.
costs have also gone up since 2004....if so then why are so many teams loosing money? - Philly1980
They're only losing money according to the NHL. It's akin to players needing to feed their families.
Last lockout Ed Snider stood in front of a camera and said the Flyers were losing money. That was complete BS. Are there teams losing money. I'm sure there are. The NHL isn't losing money. There's far more than enough money at the top to easily erase the debt at the bottom. They just don't want to help each other out if they can bleed the money from the players.
They're only losing money according to the NHL. It's akin to players needing to feed their families.
Last lockout Ed Snider stood in front of a camera and said the Flyers were losing money. That was complete BS. Are there teams losing money. I'm sure there are. The NHL isn't losing money. There's far more than enough money at the top to easily erase the debt at the bottom. They just don't want to help each other out if they can bleed the money from the players. - mayorofangrytown
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Oct 19 @ 1:33 PM ET
Here's a thought: Why are professional hockey players not simply conscripted by the league? Think about it: It eliminates a huge percentage of the financial risk the league takes by eliminating player salaries (though they would still have to pay for shelter and nutrition for the players, of course); It would simplify the big HRR issue on the negotiating table by abolishing the need for a CBA, it gets the game back on the ice; and it resolves issues with rule bending contracts by abolishing free agency outright.
Am I seriously the only person to realize this obviously ideal possibility?
Puh-leez! Were I a player this would be a total non-issue. Only two teams play the game and no player will make a penny more from it being played. It's just a regular season game surrounded by a lot of pomp and circumstance. The NHL is the big loser if the game doesn't happen. - Scoob
Your right that the NHL is the big loser as it is their biggest US television property. However, once that game is canceled and the damage is done to the NHLs tv partners and sponsors, the NHL will have no reason to deal after that point. The players lose any leverage and the season would be in jeopardy. After the disgrace of canceling the classic will it matter if they cancel the entire season?
They're only losing money according to the NHL. It's akin to players needing to feed their families.
Last lockout Ed Snider stood in front of a camera and said the Flyers were losing money. That was complete BS. Are there teams losing money. I'm sure there are. The NHL isn't losing money. There's far more than enough money at the top to easily erase the debt at the bottom. They just don't want to help each other out if they can bleed the money from the players. - mayorofangrytown
when there are supposedly a fewer teams making money and most loosing is not a good thing....its like saying let the wealthy pay the taxes to support the the poor teams just because they have it.
Ill tell you why i dont believe in this. Do you honestly think that the owners are going to pay the costs???????OR the players????? your kidding yourslef bud....you know what they are going to do they are going to raise your ticket prices....and you know what? you are going to pay.
Personally i dont care as long as i get my damn hockey.... I believe the only viable solution in this mess is contraction.
My good flyershat fell off fell off the rack the other night and 130 pound dog laid on it all night now it's ruined. So I will be putting money in their pockets - JoeRussomanno
Your right that the NHL is the big loser as it is their biggest US television property. However, once that game is canceled and the damage is done to the NHLs tv partners and sponsors, the NHL will have no reason to deal after that point. The players lose any leverage and the season would be in jeopardy. After the disgrace of canceling the classic will it matter if they cancel the entire season? - psuhockey
Thanks that is what i was trying to say......Russians did the same thing to the germans in world war II...Its called scorched earth strategy....Destroy everything the enemy can use against you....they cancel that game and the players are left with absolutely nothing. After that it wouldnt take much to cancel the season.
That would equate to 25% growth if applied across the board and it's not. Growth is nearly 300%.
No matter how you shake it or stir it the NHL has dramatically increased revenue, the salary cap has risen along with it so the players are making more. You want a better split? The players are okay with that They're willing to work towards what the owners want. The owners want it right NOW!
No one can tell me the owners aren't acting like a bunch of children here. Who looks at three proposals that took 48 hours to put together in less than an hour and dismiss them then claim that the side that tabled them didn't run the numbers in 48 hours but you did in 30 minutes... please. I want to beat them all with a big stick. - mayorofangrytown
Bettman + 6 owners + NJ (run by NHL) + PHX (run by NHL) > 22 other owners
Location: All I need are some tasty waves, a cool buzz and I'm fine. Joined: 03.15.2009
Oct 19 @ 2:56 PM ET
They're only losing money according to the NHL. It's akin to players needing to feed their families.
Last lockout Ed Snider stood in front of a camera and said the Flyers were losing money. That was complete BS. Are there teams losing money. I'm sure there are. The NHL isn't losing money. There's far more than enough money at the top to easily erase the debt at the bottom. They just don't want to help each other out if they can bleed the money from the players. - mayorofangrytown
Flyers losing money??
That's a fancy way of saying "not making as much as we could be making"
They're only losing money according to the NHL. It's akin to players needing to feed their families.
Last lockout Ed Snider stood in front of a camera and said the Flyers were losing money. That was complete BS. Are there teams losing money. I'm sure there are. The NHL isn't losing money. There's far more than enough money at the top to easily erase the debt at the bottom. They just don't want to help each other out if they can bleed the money from the players. - mayorofangrytown
You don't get to be wealthy enough to own a professional sports team by sharing your money. From what I've read about Ed Snyder, he doesn't just want a lot of money he wants ALL of the money.
Ilya Bryzgalov was scratched in favor of Rastislav Stana, who recorded his 4th shutout of the season for CSKA. Jakub Voracek remains out of Lev lineup.
No points for Ruslan Fedotenko in a 3-1 loss. However, he went 12-for-17 on faceoffs (70.1 percent).
Matt Read had a goal and an assist in a 4-3 win for Södertälje.
Claude Giroux had a goal and an assist in a 5-1 win for Eisbären today. Linemate Danny Briere had three assists.
Wayne Simmonds scored two goals today for Eispiraten in a 5-4 loss to Dresden.
Tom Sestito had two assists and stayed out of the penalty box in a 4-3 shootout win for Sheffield.
Location: That matters less than you hope it does Joined: 07.20.2007
Oct 19 @ 5:09 PM ET
NBC Sports will be showing quite a few college games this year and there are the daily webcasts that I post for Flyers-related games from assorted leagues. Here's the NBC Sports schedule for college hockey this season: http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=46513 - bmeltzer
Erie Otters vs London Knights (OHL) on NHL Network tonight.
