The players are really looking worse and worse.

All I see are the owners giving and giving and the players wanting more and more!!!

This gets done by Friday or the season will be canned!!


- Marshmont63

asking for less is different than giving. the players are the only side giving. not that im on their side but im just saying.

The players are really looking worse and worse.

All I see are the owners giving and giving and the players wanting more and more!!!

This gets done by Friday or the season will be canned!!


- Marshmont63

That's because you think the Owner's are giving, when they really aren't. It's certainly true that the last offer is moving closer to the player's side. But the reality is that it is still taking from the players. If the Make Whole deal is accepted, the end result is going to be the players taking a lesser share of revenue going forward. As it should be. And players existing contracts not being honored in full. And the Owner's have made concessions on contract issues to the players by keeping Arbitration and Free Agency the same. But they are trying to add the 5% variance, and the 5 year term limit. So the end result is the players are the ones who are giving, not the Owners.

@RenLavoieRDS Talks went so bad in the afternoon yesterday, I've been told by 2 sources, owners were ready to stop this bargaining process.
- Winterland

They better not (frank) this poop up. Get a deal done today or tomorrow.

So sad that everything is about money and who gets the most. What happened to playing for the love of the game?
- 7xTippet

we leave that for the 12 year olds........Pro players in any sport play for the pay

That's because you think the Owner's are giving, when they really aren't. It's certainly true that the last offer is moving closer to the player's side. But the reality is that it is still taking from the players. If the Make Whole deal is accepted, the end result is going to be the players taking a lesser share of revenue going forward. As it should be. And players existing contracts not being honored in full. And the Owner's have made concessions on contract issues to the players by keeping Arbitration and Free Agency the same. But they are trying to add the 5% variance, and the 5 year term limit. So the end result is the players are the ones who are giving, not the Owners.
- MJL

stfu MJL

stfu MJL
- Le_Moderateur

hahaha

we leave that for the 12 year olds........Pro players in any sport play for the pay
- billyberg10

I would agree with that sentiment in American football, as most of the players will say as much. However, with hockey and baseball I would think the love of the game is an actual factor for most. Not saying they would play for free or anything, but to say its all about the pay is a bit over the top.

stfu MJL
- Le_Moderateur

- Flyfreaky

stfu MJL
- Le_Moderateur

HAHAHAHA

That's because you think the Owner's are giving, when they really aren't. It's certainly true that the last offer is moving closer to the player's side. But the reality is that it is still taking from the players. If the Make Whole deal is accepted, the end result is going to be the players taking a lesser share of revenue going forward. As it should be. And players existing contracts not being honored in full. And the Owner's have made concessions on contract issues to the players by keeping Arbitration and Free Agency the same. But they are trying to add the 5% variance, and the 5 year term limit. So the end result is the players are the ones who are giving, not the Owners.
- MJL

I see what you are saying, however
The 50/50 split is a no brainer. I feel the owners should get a higher % of HRR. They owners should never have given in on that last time.

10 year CBA is to stabilize the league

I feel a 7 year contract max is good
Honor existing contracts

I am just soooo Pi$$ed off right now
The NHL was just turning the corner and getting more and more fans.

This is hurting Hockey big time

Just get a deal done-Please

Bottom Line
We as fans are the ones that are losing

Just very frustrated

I'd rather listen to a Nascar race on the radio.
- kev1586

I'd rather pork a polar bear in a phone booth than watch NBA...

I see what you are saying, however
The 50/50 split is a no brainer. I feel the owners should get a higher % of HRR. They owners should never have given in on that last time.

10 year CBA is to stabilize the league

I feel a 7 year contract max is good
Honor existing contracts

I am just soooo Pi$$ed off right now
The NHL was just turning the corner and getting more and more fans.

This is hurting Hockey big time

Just get a deal done-Please

Bottom Line
We as fans are the ones that are losing

Just very frustrated
- Marshmont63

We all are. Before the previous CBA, the players were getting 75% of revenue according to the Levitt report, which is just ridiculous. And 57% was also too high. 50/50 is fair.

That issue is interesting because I think for the most part, fans want to see those long term contracts go out the window as well. I like the idea of giving the team who already has a player's rights the ability to sign them to a longer term deal... I think some competitive advantage to retaining your own players is welcome.

Edit: And yes, while it's true the owners/GMs handed out those long term deals in the first place, these guys are competing with each other once labor negotiations are over. If there's a competitive edge in the CBA to acquire a better player and make your team better than your rival, you'd use it and offer the player 1-2 more years of guaranteed money than the next team. As much cynicism as there is these days, I do think the owners actually want to win for the most part. If the CBA restricts that part of things, then the top players will always get 5 year deals (or 7 from the same team) and that factor is out of discussion. I think that's alright
- eayost

Agree 100%

I just don't get this on the player's part. There just is not enough of these to fight over. There will likely be even less if there is a strict $ variance limit.

It is significant for the NHL though. It prevents players signing for 25 years at 4 million... where the current GM, figures "F-it, I won't be here to deal with the mess anyway).
- Aetherial

I think it's still just the players overwhelming need to make sure they can still maximize their earning potential. I agree with you though, this is a fair deal. I think though if the owners would increase the 5% max increase per year ceiling, the players would probably bite a bit harder.

But either way you're right, players need to suck it up and realize this is not really going to hamper anyones earning potential.

I think it's still just the players overwhelming need to make sure they can still maximize their earning potential. I agree with you though, this is a fair deal. I think though if the owners would increase the 5% max increase per year ceiling, the players would probably bite a bit harder.

But either way you're right, players need to suck it up and realize this is not really going to hamper anyones earning potential.
- MnGump

I think the players are fine with the 5% variation. It's the 5 year term limit I think they have the most problems with.