Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Daly says term limit on player contracts is so important to league it's "the hill we'll die on."

I still think a deal is very close.
- BulliesPhan87

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Bettman says the Make Whole provision in its entirety as a concept is OFF the table.

Anything they put on the table this week is also off the table.

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Bettman says the Make Whole provision in its entirety as a concept is OFF the table.
- ob18

Are you watching it right now? Gary looks like his head is going to explode. He and Daly are right pissed at Fehr.

Tim Panaccio ‏@tpanotchCSN

so why was the league so upset tonight? they wanted total compliance of their offer and NOT a new counter offer from the union.

Are you watching it right now? Gary looks like his head is going to explode. He and Daly are right pissed at Fehr.
- canadianpenfan

http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/listen/

Radio feed.

http://www.tsn.ca/toronto/listen/

Radio feed.
- ob18

I'm watching. Gary is some kind of agitated.

I'm watching. Gary is some kind of agitated.
- canadianpenfan

It's not even on the NHL Network. All I can do is laugh they've taken more steps to killing the league

It's not even on the NHL Network. All I can do is laugh they've taken more steps to killing the league
- ob18

Still think this was the NHLPA's 2nd to last proposal and they wanted to see what they could squeeze. Fehr's pulling the strings of this failing circus.

Still think this was the NHLPA's 2nd to last proposal and they wanted to see what they could squeeze. Fehr's pulling the strings of this failing circus.
- canadianpenfan

I still think it's not all him, he acts on behalf of the players and for sure has his part in this but I have blame for the players along with the NHL side of things.

I still think it's not all him, he acts on behalf of the players and for sure has his part in this but I have blame for the players along with the NHL side of things.
- ob18

This can do nothing but help the situation.


Scottie Upshall‏@ScottieUpshall

Plain and simple these owners think they can break us apart. GOOD LUCK! We r stronger than we've ever been and r behind Fehr %100.


Scottie Upshall‏@ScottieUpshall

There's no pressure yet on the owners to lose this year, that's why they still treat us like Cattle. They'll need a partner come January.

Still think this was the NHLPA's 2nd to last proposal and they wanted to see what they could squeeze. Fehr's pulling the strings of this failing circus.
- canadianpenfan

Players aren't getting anything, they're just trying to lose as little as possible.This isn't a negotiation, it's a hair cut. Players are just trying to leave the room with some fuzz on their head.

I still think it's not all him, he acts on behalf of the players and for sure has his part in this but I have blame for the players along with the NHL side of things.
- ob18

i have no blame for the players at all. When I hear them demand a single thing they didn't have last year I'll perk up.

Pierre LeBrun ‏@Real_ESPNLeBrun

Bettman says the Make Whole provision in its entirety as a concept is OFF the table.

Anything they put on the table this week is also off the table.
- ob18

what is this i dont even

i have no blame for the players at all. When I hear them demand a single thing they didn't have last year I'll perk up.
- mayorofangrytown

I'll just focus on whatever CHL games I can watch.

I'll just focus on whatever CHL games I can watch.
- ob18

I have my son's games and I've been watching college hockey every weekend and the CHL games on NHLN when I can.

Really looking forward to the WJC this year.

what is this i dont even
- BulliesPhan87

Another step in the process?

I have my son's games and I've been watching college hockey every weekend and the CHL games on NHLN when I can.

Really looking forward to the WJC this year.
- mayorofangrytown

It's Niagara @ London tomorrow

on 12/12 it's Kelowna @ Lethbridge

on 12/14 it's Victoria @ Red Deer

i want to go on a 3 state killing spree. (frank) bettman and his clown show.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/20628

i want to go on a 3 state killing spree. (frank) bettman and his clown show.
- hammarby31

wow

I think 2 of those 3 states may have laws against that.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/20628
- ob18

adater‏@adater
From deep inside players side: "We were ready to play again. But Don came in (Wed.) and told us we could get more and to hold out"

http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/id/20628
- ob18

"NHLPA executive director Don Fehr has done a masterful job throughout this lockout of telling his players to stay patient and wait because the deal would get better. And when owners upped their "make-whole" provision from $211 million to $300 million Wednesday night -- something the league said it would never do -- Fehr was proved right.

Thing is, you can’t wait and wait and wait forever and believe the offer will always improve. You have to know when the time is right to cut a deal. "


Amen Pierre.

"NHLPA executive director Don Fehr has done a masterful job throughout this lockout of telling his players to stay patient and wait because the deal would get better. And when owners upped their "make-whole" provision from $211 million to $300 million Wednesday night -- something the league said it would never do -- Fehr was proved right.

Thing is, you can’t wait and wait and wait forever and believe the offer will always improve. You have to know when the time is right to cut a deal. "

Amen Pierre.
- canadianpenfan

(Pierre attacks both sides, this is not pick 1 side to blame, it takes 2 to makes this mess & 2 to fix it.)


One NHL governor told ESPN.com that they were shown both offers from the league and NHLPA in the board of governors meeting.

"I looked at them both and wondered how this thing isn’t done already," he said.

And those were previous offers. Not the ones from the last 24 hours that showed more movement from both sides.

(Pierre attacks both sides, this is not pick 1 side to blame, it takes 2 to makes this mess & 2 to fix it.)


One NHL governor told ESPN.com that they were shown both offers from the league and NHLPA in the board of governors meeting.

"I looked at them both and wondered how this thing isn’t done already," he said.

And those were previous offers. Not the ones from the last 24 hours that showed more movement from both sides.
- ob18

I know, but that sentence sums it up.

I know, but that sentence sums it up.
- canadianpenfan

Yup for both of them.