Spending money doesn't always equate to winning
- Yeti1181

Spending money leads to winning more often than not, and its a much better and more effective game plan than penny pinching. This applies for all sports. This is common sense.

Do you really need to be told about the lack of players, good players that is, wanting to sign in Edmonton as FAs?

Or how much less appealing it is to live there as opposed to many other options?

Gee lets see...New York, LA, Chicago, Boston, Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver...Nah...ill pick Edmonton!!! Woohoo a big mall and (frank) all!
- systemtool

Wait the city is that big just because it has a big mall? Are you that ignorant or just trying to be an bumhole and trash the city for no reason. Way to edit your post and take out the word "pleasant" before the word options. Sure some cities are more attractive to live in than others but they all have there bad points. Some players just want to play hockey and raise a family. Please explain to me what is so bad about Edmonton for that???

I agree. But with no cap, there would be less problem in Toronto because they can throw money at the problem and overpay. Without salary cap restrictions, they can buy a team. Also its a more convenient place to live, and more appealing.
- systemtool

That's your perspective. Many would disagree Toronto is an appealing place to live.


And when there was no cap an the Leafs spent as much as they wanted, they still couldn't win anything.

Wait the city is that big just because it has a big mall? Are you that ignorant or just trying to be an bumhole and trash the city for no reason. Way to edit your post and take out the word "pleasant" before the word options. Sure some cities are more attractive to live in than others but they all have there bad points. Some players just want to play hockey and raise a family. Please explain to me what is so bad about Edmonton for that???
- ruttager17

The city is how big? Compared to most cities in the NHL, calling Edmonton a big city (in comparison to the ones in the league) is either a joke or a reflection of your intelligence.

I never said anything was bad about living in Edmonton. Im just saying it ranks near the bottom of options for most players, and there isnt much good about living their either.

Spending money leads to winning more often than not, and its a much better and more effective game plan than penny pinching. This applies for all sports. This is common sense.
- systemtool

How did that work out for the Rangers before the lockout when they had a gimoungous payroll??? How bout the Yankees? 2 WSC in the last 12 years and spending all that money. You should check your common sense again. Think the facts prove it to be a little flawed.

I agree. But with no cap, there would be less problem in Toronto because they can throw money at the problem and overpay. Without salary cap restrictions, they can buy a team. Also its a more convenient place to live, and more appealing.
- systemtool

And it's not as if the Oilers can't throw money around too!

That's your perspective. Many would disagree Toronto is an appealing place to live.


And when there was no cap an the Leafs spent as much as they wanted, they still couldn't win anything.
- robin_steele264

They still couldnt but they were closer than they were precap. Which is what matters in the end. The odds improve, thats the point.

And it's not as if the Oilers can't throw money around too!


- robin_steele264

Of course they could. See the Horcoff and Hemsky deals. Hell, you guys could sign Torres for 8 million a season.

Just out of curiosity, how does this labor war have you worn out? Like are you somehow involved with the dispute and putting hours of your time into it? How personally are you worn out???
- ruttager17

Semantics...

Care to elaborate?
- robin_steele264

Just that the ability to build a team through the draft would be gone. You would have to think that salaries for top level players would go through the roof.

They still couldnt but they were closer than they were precap. Which is what matters in the end. The odds improve, thats the point.
- systemtool

Generally the teams that win are built, not bought.

How did that work out for the Rangers before the lockout when they had a gimoungous payroll??? How bout the Yankees? 2 WSC in the last 12 years and spending all that money. You should check your common sense again. Think the facts prove it to be a little flawed.
- ruttager17

Check my comments and facts?

How about the Miami Heat and their spending? How about the LA Kings and their spendings. The Bruins and their spending? The Red Sox. The LA Lakers. Cardinals. Phillies. Mavs, Celtics, Spurs.

It takes a real winner to argue that spending money doesnt greatly increase a teams chances at success.

Just that the ability to build a team through the draft would be gone. You would have to think that salaries for top level players would go through the roof.
- Canada Cup

Sure... Not like the Oilers haven't overpaid or tried to before.

Im not taking sides. Im just pointing out the truth. Bettman has been in charge during 3 lockouts. The NHLPA does not have a constant face to blame.
- systemtool

Well it's not Gary vs the nhlpa it's the NHL vs the nhlpa. Gary just happens to be the front for ownership. Also Donald has been part of multiple stoppages in multiple leagues.

Generally the teams that win are built, not bought.
- robin_steele264

Not true. In the end, spending is a major component to championships.

Its a mix of both, but you can win without building.

I honestly think that if there was no media coverage on the lockout it would be over in three days.

Generally the teams that win are built, not bought.
- robin_steele264

As a general statement, this is almost always true. But it's 100% of the time, a combination of all of the above. Drafting, UFA's and trades.

How did that work out for the Rangers before the lockout when they had a gimoungous payroll??? How bout the Yankees? 2 WSC in the last 12 years and spending all that money. You should check your common sense again. Think the facts prove it to be a little flawed.
- ruttager17

+1

Well it's not Gary vs the nhlpa it's the NHL vs the nhlpa. Gary just happens to be the front for ownership. Also Donald has been part of multiple stoppages in multiple leagues.
- Yeti1181

As I said, both sides are to blame, not one more than the other.

Not true. In the end, spending is a major component to championships.

Its a mix of both, but you can win without building.
- systemtool

Got any examples? In the NHL.


You can go pre lockout too when there was no cap.

As a general statement, this is almost always true. But it's 100% of the time, a combination of all of the above. Drafting, UFA's and trades.
- LeftCoaster

Winning teams build their core, then add pieces around them.

Got any examples? In the NHL.


You can go pre lockout too when there was no cap.
- robin_steele264

LA Kings.

As I said, both sides are to blame, not one more than the other.
- systemtool

No but you state Gary has been part of three therefore insinuating that he is a problem.

As I said, both sides are to blame, not one more than the other.
- systemtool

Most are against the players.

LA Kings.
- systemtool

Quick, Brown, Doughty, Kopitar.