But they also didnt have Michael Leighton.

(attempting to Troll; had Leighton not stood on his head we would have never made it to the cup in the first place)
- jak521

They also didn't have high-and-wide Carter /end troll

They also didn't have high-and-wide Carter /end troll
- jmatchett

LUKAS KRAJICEK!

Is there any organization out there that paints a more dire picture of their blue line than the Flyers? My God there is nothing there. This isn't shocking considering we never draft them high....something needs to change here

Interesting take on the whole debacle.



http://business.time.com/...y-behind-the-nhl-lockout/

But they also didnt have Michael Leighton.

(attempting to Troll; had Leighton not stood on his head we would have never made it to the cup in the first place)
- jak521

True but still that was a weakness

They also didn't have high-and-wide Carter /end troll
- jmatchett

Is there any organization out there that paints a more dire picture of their blue line than the Flyers? My God there is nothing there. This isn't shocking considering we never draft them high....something needs to change here
- Just5

Nope. And no fanbase is quicker to throw their goalie under the bus either.


But as long as our offense is good thats the trade off we as a fanbase always seem to make.

I think our D is good(but by no means great) tho for what its worth.

Interesting take on the whole debacle.



http://business.time.com/...y-behind-the-nhl-lockout/
- MBFlyerfan

Good article. There's a number of inaccuracies. But his overall premise is dead on in my opinion.

Nope. And no fanbase is quicker to throw their goalie under the bus either.


But as long as our offense is good thats the trade off we as a fanbase always seem to make.

I think our D is good(but by no means great) tho for what its worth.
- hereticpride

I think the Flyers defense is going to be fine in the defensive end of the ice. But I think there could be some issues with puck movement, PP point production, and offensive support from the blueline. Especially is Meszaros struggles while playing his way back to 100%

I agree totally that nationality has nothing to do with it and it's on an individual level.

But when you're using Zherdev as an example versus players who have been in Europe from the NHL for a month or two. Time and duration is absolutely relevant. It takes time to adjust to new sorroundings and playing in a completly different environment.
- MJL

You just contradicted yourself....Look at Matt Read as per Bill's write-up, he needed no more than a few months to assimilate. I think TomaHawk is spot on.

Good article. There's a number of inaccuracies. But his overall premise is dead on in my opinion.
- MJL

I agree it was a good article and makes a lot of great points. What were the inaccuracies in your view?

You just contradicted yourself....Look at Matt Read as per Bill's write-up, he needed no more than a few months to assimilate. I think TomaHawk is spot on.
- flyers20032002

I think you should re read exactly what I said. In comparing Zherdev over a 6 year career that spanned over 400 NHL games played, to players that have had only a few months, he is not spot on. In stating that it isn't a nationality issues and it's different for each player, he makes a good point. Where there is a contradiction, I have no idea.

I agree it was a good article and makes a lot of great points. What were the inaccuracies in your view?
- FlyersFirst

I don't know if the part about the KHL is realistic. Also when he stated the players went right to 57%, that isn't exactly accurate.

I don't know if the part about the KHL is realistic. Also when he stated the players went right to 57%, that isn't exactly accurate.
- MJL

I'm sorry, I know I'm the new kid on the block, but if you say the article has a few inaccuracies, I'm expecting you had factual evidence (as opposed to "I don't know) of more than two inaccuracies. So really, the article has 1 inaccuracy, and you think there may be a couple. For a guy who always seems to know the correct response to everything, I'd expect you'd know everything about the goings-on of most pro leagues, if not all junior and midget leagues.

I'm sorry, I know I'm the new kid on the block, but if you say the article has a few inaccuracies, I'm expecting you had factual evidence (as opposed to "I don't know) of more than two inaccuracies. So really, the article has 1 inaccuracy, and you think there may be a couple. For a guy who always seems to know the correct response to everything, I'd expect you'd know everything about the goings-on of most pro leagues, if not all junior and midget leagues.
- jmatchett

I don't need to know the goings on of most pro Leagues to know that it may not be a reality that NHL players are going to start jumping to the KHL. And that the KHL is not a real threat to the NHL in my opinion. So I think the author using that is misleading.

Secondly, the players didn't go right to 57% of revenue directly in the last CBA. They worked their way up there as revenue grew. What he said there can also be misleading. But as I said, otherwise his premise was dead on in my opinion.

Anything else I can help you with?

I don't need to know the goings on of most pro Leagues to know that it may not be a reality that NHL players are going to start jumping to the KHL.
- MJL

So by "it may not", you are sure it's an inaccuracy?

So by "it may not", you are sure it's an inaccuracy?
- jmatchett

I do not think it is a reality.

I think you should re read exactly what I said. In comparing Zherdev over a 6 year career that spanned over 400 NHL games played, to players that have had only a few months, he is not spot on. In stating that it isn't a nationality issues and it's different for each player, he makes a good point. Where there is a contradiction, I have no idea.
- MJL

I was referring to this statement:

I agree totally that nationality has nothing to do with it and it's on an individual level.
- MJL

If you believe this to be true then time is irrelevant.

time to assimilation = individual

The individual portion of the above equation has loads of variables that impact players differently depending on even more factors that shaped them as a human being. Since the variance can be incredibly high, it would be rather pointless to list them all, but some might include: desire to learn culture, language, work ethic, ability to make new friends, values retained from personal upbringing, etc. It is completely fair to compare Zherdev's 400+ game NHL career to Matt Read if you truly believe what you said above, otherwise you do not and you're simply contradicting yourself. I personally feel that time is irrelevant and the two can be compared in this situation, but I have personal experience in this matter to a degree. In the future you might want to phrase your posts as your opinion and not state them like they're fact.

I was referring to this statement:



If you believe this to be true then time is irrelevant.

time to assimilation = individual

The individual portion of the above equation has loads of variables that impact players differently depending on even more factors that shaped them as a human being. Since the variance can be incredibly high, it would be rather pointless to list them all, but some might include: desire to learn culture, language, work ethic, ability to make new friends, values retained from personal upbringing, etc. It is completely fair to compare Zherdev's 400+ game NHL career to Matt Read if you truly believe what you said above, otherwise you do not and you're simply contradicting yourself. I personally feel that time is irrelevant and the two can be compared in this situation, but I have personal experience in this matter to a degree. In the future you might want to phrase your posts as your opinion and not state them like they're fact.
- flyers20032002

What you need to do is go back and read the entire post I made. But your neglecting to do that.
When using Zherdev as an example, compared to the NHL players that have gone overseas to play during the lockout, and have been there for a few months. Time is certainly relevant. That's what makes it a poor example to use.

And I'll phrase my posts as I see fit.

What you need to do is go back and read the entire post I made. But your neglecting to do that.
When using Zherdev as an example, compared to the NHL players that have gone overseas to play during the lockout, and have been there for a few months. Time is certainly relevant. That's what makes it a poor example to use.

And I'll phrase my posts as I see fit.
- MJL

Sigh...

Time is mathematically often used as an independent variable. You're crafting the following mathematical equation:

time to assimilation = time + individual traits

The above doesn't make sense and it's a contradiction. Time is a result, it is not a factor. Here's some examples of other aspects of life that have time as a result:

Time of a hockey game = how many fights were there? + was there OT? + was there a shootout? + was there some other variable?

T=D/S (a very basic math equation where time is the result)

Time is the result, not the variable being used to calculate the result. So when we talk about the TIME it takes for someone to assimilate to a culture it is a fallacy to use it as both a result and part of the equation to get said result. It just simply doesn't make logical sense, at least to me anyways...

Sigh...

Time is mathematically often used as an independent variable. You're crafting the following mathematical equation:

time to assimilation = time + individual traits

The above doesn't make sense and it's a contradiction. Time is a result, it is not a factor. Here's some examples of other aspects of life that have time as a result:

Time of a hockey game = how many fights were there? + was there OT? + was there a shootout? + was there some other variable?

T=D/S (a very basic math equation where time is the result)

Time is the result, not the variable being used to calculate the result. So when we talk about the TIME it takes for someone to assimilate to a culture it is a fallacy to use it as both a result and part of the equation to get said result. It just simply doesn't make logical sense, at least to me anyways...
- flyers20032002

No that's not what I'm crafting, that's what you think I'm crafting. You're obviously not getting the point I made.

But hey it's a nice formula you got going there!

No that's not what I'm crafting, that's what you think I'm crafting. You're obviously not getting the point I made.

But hey it's a nice formula you got going there!

- MJL

Just lol....right, now I can't understand what you're saying to diverge from the real issue. Whatever

edit: That is partially true though lol, what you're saying doesn't make sense, so that's why.....ahhhh an epiphany

Just lol....right, now I can't understand what you're saying to diverge from the real issue. Whatever

edit: That is partially true though lol, what you're saying doesn't make sense, so that's why.....ahhhh an epiphany
- flyers20032002

Can you provide a formula for that?

Can you provide a formula for that?
- MJL

Can you? I already did...

Can you? I already did...
- flyers20032002

I'm not into formulas. I'll leave that to you. I'm into simple conversations.