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BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 20 @ 11:07 AM ET
Maybe I'm over-analyzing it, but he seemed to lose something after he took the puck and moved to a visor. But yes, he seems able to step his game up for the play-offs. I don't know if I'd call him a #1, but I think he's a definite capable #2, maybe a 1A.
- jmatchett

I just hope he can show a little bit of offensive flair when called upon, the Flyers are going to need their tenured defensemen to really step up until they can shore up the blueline.
johndewar
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: South Jersey, NJ
Joined: 01.16.2009

Dec 20 @ 11:16 AM ET
Not good news about Bourdon at all. I think at this point that he really should not even be included in any plans moving forward. That many concussion in so few games is definitely a red flag. His health should be the main concern now.

I shudder to think what the Flyers defense COULD look like this season. (IF)

Timonen one year older. (plus the back)
Mezzy still hobbled (plus the back)
Schenn in a new environment with a new partner.
Coburn getting heavy responsibility as the defacto #1 (is he ready?)
Manning?
Grossmann with 2 questionable knees.
Gervais and Lilja as #6 or 7 d-men at best.
Gusty ready for prime time yet?

Things could work out fine if everyone stays relatively healthy. But when is the last time that happen? I have a strong feeling we will see Syvret and Lauridson at some point if things go south on the injury fronts.

Then again, if we have no season it wont matter anyway.

- MBFlyerfan


Matt Walker is probably in this mix as well. If the Flyers can't bury his contract, they will likely have to play him out of necessity.
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Dec 20 @ 11:21 AM ET
Just a little bit on Giroux... If he had a neck strain, and or muscle spasms, he would likely lose cervical curvature. That alone would prevent him from playing. Pretty common with "stingers"
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 20 @ 11:26 AM ET
Thats why I was asking... Hate Him or Love Him Shelley is a good locker room leader and I like the guy
- Flyers_1488


Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Dec 20 @ 11:30 AM ET
Matt Walker is probably in this mix as well. If the Flyers can't bury his contract, they will likely have to play him out of necessity.
- johndewar



Schenn Righty
Gervais Righty
Walker Righty


Embarrassment of riches?
Flyers_1488
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly , PA
Joined: 05.15.2012

Dec 20 @ 11:42 AM ET

- Tomahawk



LMAO
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Dec 20 @ 11:50 AM ET

- Tomahawk


I'm starving and that looks like a damn good sandwich.
Buzzo
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 02.07.2011

Dec 20 @ 12:09 PM ET
Was it a "virus" that they claimed MAB had? If so hes doomed!!!
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Dec 20 @ 12:09 PM ET
Bill, maybe you can shed some light on this:

If the PA dissolves or gets a disclaimer of interest, can players' rights be moved? It may be a pipe dream, but if there's no season, I think Nashville may reconsider a Weber trade; I'm sure they're not too keen on paying him $25M for a year of nothing. I figure since there's no CBA to tie players' rights to a team they can't, but just wanted to make sure.

- jmatchett


Under the old CBA, an RFA cant be traded for 1 year after the contract is signed or matched. that was one of the topics on why it wouldnt be prudent for Nash to match; they'ed be on the hook for 26mil regardless if there is a season. If these clowns ever come to an agreement, i would bank that clause is grandfathered in.

Weber didnt sign the sheet in hopes that Nash would match, he signed for a huge payday he wouldnt get under a new CBA. There was a great chance Nash wouldnt match, so I think Weber would have been more than happy to play here.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Dec 20 @ 12:50 PM ET
Under the old CBA, an RFA cant be traded for 1 year after the contract is signed or matched. that was one of the topics on why it wouldnt be prudent for Nash to match; they'ed be on the hook for 26mil regardless if there is a season. If these clowns ever come to an agreement, i would bank that clause is grandfathered in.
- KINGKENZO


I knew the 1 year rule was in the old CBA, that's why I was wondering if they'd be able to trade his rights if the PA decertifies.
C-Vac
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.29.2007

Dec 20 @ 12:54 PM ET
Bill, in Ek's latest blog he says there is a possibility of teams getting a one player-one time buyout and lists Bryzgalov as an example. Any chance Holmgren takes advantage of this (please!) and cuts him loose should it come to pass?
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Dec 20 @ 12:57 PM ET
Bill, in Ek's latest blog he says there is a possibility of teams getting a one player-one time buyout and lists Bryzgalov as an example. Any chance Holmgren takes advantage of this (please!) and cuts him loose should it come to pass?
- C-Vac


Well, he could. But then your goalie is Leighton. Are you okay with Leighton starting all year with an AHL backup?
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Dec 20 @ 12:57 PM ET
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C-Vac
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 06.29.2007

Dec 20 @ 1:02 PM ET
Well, he could. But then your goalie is Leighton. Are you okay with Leighton starting all year with an AHL backup?
- jmatchett


I'm OK with Leighton to start the season. There are always other goaltenders available, now or at the trade deadline (if there is one) or you sign one in the off-season. I just think that would be a great opportunity to get out of a horrible long-term, big money contract committment.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Dec 20 @ 1:06 PM ET
I'm OK with Leighton to start the season. There are always other goaltenders available, now or at the trade deadline (if there is one) or you sign one in the off-season. I just think that would be a great opportunity to get out of a horrible long-term, big money contract committment.
- C-Vac


Hey, if you think that having Leighton over Bryzgalov gives this team a better chance to win now or in the future, that's great. Problem is, if Leighton gets hurt, then your starter is one of Cal Heeter, Scott Munroe, Niko Hovinen, or a Sebastian Caron-type of emergency signing. They won't buy Bryzgalov out unless they feel they have a solid backup plan, and I don't think they did. Now, had the Flyers gotten Vokoun instead of Pittsburgh getting him, maybe it's a different story.
Flyers_1488
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly , PA
Joined: 05.15.2012

Dec 20 @ 1:16 PM ET
Bill, in Ek's latest blog he says there is a possibility of teams getting a one player-one time buyout and lists Bryzgalov as an example. Any chance Holmgren takes advantage of this (please!) and cuts him loose should it come to pass?
- C-Vac



Is Brzy really all that bad??

I mean yes he has his on and off night but we could of gotten much worse
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Dec 20 @ 1:21 PM ET
Bill, in Ek's latest blog he says there is a possibility of teams getting a one player-one time buyout and lists Bryzgalov as an example. Any chance Holmgren takes advantage of this (please!) and cuts him loose should it come to pass?
- C-Vac

I honestly think that is asinine. How asinine? Id sooner buy out Danny.
jmatchett
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Mantua, NJ
Joined: 01.13.2008

Dec 20 @ 1:28 PM ET
I honestly think that is asinine. How asinine? Id sooner buy out Danny.
- jak521


Actually, if the NHL doesn't reverse the over-35 rule, the easy choice is Pronger. Not the classiest thing to do, but it gives you and extra $4.9M during the summer for the next handful of years.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Dec 20 @ 1:30 PM ET
I honestly think that is asinine. How asinine? Id sooner buy out Danny.
- jak521

I agree.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 20 @ 1:32 PM ET
Actually, if the NHL doesn't reverse the over-35 rule, the easy choice is Pronger. Not the classiest thing to do, but it gives you and extra $4.9M during the summer for the next handful of years.
- jmatchett

One thing to consider is whether such a buyout could be used on an injured player. But this is removed from Mr. Jak's point.
Flyers_1488
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly , PA
Joined: 05.15.2012

Dec 20 @ 1:43 PM ET
I honestly think that is asinine. How asinine? Id sooner buy out Danny.
- jak521



Why?? Dude is a beast in the playoffs
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Dec 20 @ 1:43 PM ET
One thing to consider is whether such a buyout could be used on an injured player. But this is removed from Mr. Jak's point.
- BulliesPhan87



I dont think the courts would even allow that.. Oh, you got injured while doing your job which we mutually signed a contract upon? PSSSH.. later.

I am fascinated yet annoyed by the suggestion that Leighton would be a better option than Bryz. So a guy who we thought was gonna have trouble playing (if he even could at all) because of his back, a guy who has NEVER been a true NHL starting goalie (even a #2), a guy who has played in exactly 1 game in the NHL since the summer of 2010, or 73 games since 2007... would be a better option than Bryz.. ONLY because of what he is payed?
jak521
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Buckle Up.
Joined: 02.19.2008

Dec 20 @ 1:44 PM ET
Why?? Dude is a beast in the playoffs
- Flyers_1488

Because, despite Dannys playoff ability, his position is much easier to replace without feeling a major impact.

BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 20 @ 1:48 PM ET


I dont think the courts would even allow that.. Oh, you got injured while doing your job which we mutually signed a contract upon? PSSSH.. later.

I am fascinated yet annoyed by the suggestion that Leighton would be a better option than Bryz. So a guy who we thought was gonna have trouble playing (if he even could at all) because of his back, a guy who has NEVER been a true NHL starting goalie (even a #2), a guy who has played in exactly 1 game in the NHL since the summer of 2010, or 73 games since 2007... would be a better option than Bryz.. ONLY because of what he is payed.

- jak521

I don't even bother contesting the suggestion, it comes up so often. People were calling for an amnesty on Bryz's contract before there was even a lockout, so I doubt it's going to change. I think the fact of the matter is that Philadelphia's desired a starting goaltender for so long, that nothing short of an instantly successful absolute miracle worker will impress.

That said, I feel like using an amnesty on Bryz knowing Leighton becomes our starter seems like cutting off our nose to spite our face.
BulliesPhan87
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: the lone wolf of hockeybuzz
Joined: 07.31.2009

Dec 20 @ 1:49 PM ET
Because, despite Dannys playoff ability, his position is much easier to replace without feeling a major impact.
- jak521

For this franchise, at least, solid centers are an abundant resource. That said, I like Danny B on this team, I think he brings a real competitive element to the team's personality.
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