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isaiah520
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: "All train compartments smell vaguely of sh*t. It gets so you don't mind it"
Joined: 12.26.2006

Dec 29 @ 5:32 PM ET
- well, well...amnesty/buyout is a possibility after all...

- despite homer's best efforts, our D is mediocre at best if the season starts mid-Jan. Mez will help, but this team has a crying need for a top pairing guy...

- even though the flyers have obvious holes, they may be better positioned going forward than any of the other major franchises in town.
Flyers_1488
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly , PA
Joined: 05.15.2012

Dec 29 @ 5:43 PM ET
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Dec 29 @ 6:30 PM ET
With the cap coming down players like Redd are an extremely valuable asset. Real good thing they held onto him.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Dec 29 @ 6:49 PM ET
- well, well...amnesty/buyout is a possibility after all...

- despite homer's best efforts, our D is mediocre at best if the season starts mid-Jan. Mez will help, but this team has a crying need for a top pairing guy...

- even though the flyers have obvious holes, they may be better positioned going forward than any of the other major franchises in town.

- isaiah520


Assuming a Pronger buyout, Flyer's would have about $7.6 million for a backup goalie, 2 D-men and 2 wingers(3rd and 4th line) if the Cap came down to $60. Not a lot of money, but not bad.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 7:00 PM ET
Assuming a Pronger buyout, Flyer's would have about $7.6 million for a backup goalie, 2 D-men and 2 wingers(3rd and 4th line) if the Cap came down to $60. Not a lot of money, but not bad.
- jstross


Interesting but that's far down the line, let's get them back playing at the moment.
landros 2
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Centre of universe
Joined: 02.07.2007

Dec 29 @ 7:03 PM ET
So you think they'll sign someone once the season begins?
- Hextall271

At some point, this year, yes I do.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Dec 29 @ 7:04 PM ET
Interesting but that's far down the line, let's get them back playing at the moment.
- ob18



True, but I've been really dying to talk some hockey. I probably shouldn't get my hopes up though.
Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Dec 29 @ 7:21 PM ET
I started a paragraph regarding the SMT, but deleted because they thoroughly frustrate me
- KINGKENZO


Hear, hear!

I love this sport and hate this league. Too much expansion has brought too many "never should have been's" into the owners' fold.
jstross
Joined: 06.25.2012

Dec 29 @ 7:36 PM ET
Hear, hear!

I love this sport and hate this league. Too much expansion has brought too many "never should have been's" into the owners' fold.

- Flyskippy


How many do you get rid of and who?

Revenue sharing with a luxury tax that penalizes draft picks and $$$ for the revenue pool in place of a hard cap is a way I think the league needs to go.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 7:52 PM ET
True, but I've been really dying to talk some hockey. I probably shouldn't get my hopes up though.
- jstross


Then watch free OHL or WHL hockey tonight

http://ohl.neulion.com/ohl/

http://whl.neulion.com/whl/

Just enter all info and leave the credit card info blank.....Enjoy.

I am watching London vs Plymouth right now......0-0 after 1.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 8:38 PM ET
Make that 3 - 1 London over Plymouth after 2.
flyers20032002
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: United States, PA
Joined: 07.01.2008

Dec 29 @ 9:11 PM ET
It would not be cap circumvention whatsoever. Well, it would be circumventing the OLD cap but not the new one.

All existing contracts were signed under a cap calculation system that called for 57 percent of revenues to be devoted to salaries. It is not fair to retroactively punish teams for contracts signed (and accepted by the NHL) under the previous system.

There would be no additional real-dollar money paid outside the system. All cap hits would be based on the money still outstanding to the player. If it's a new deal that kicks in for 2012-13, the cap hit would be the same.

All you would really be doing is more accurately reflecting the real-dollar salaries remaining on deals that were signed in the past -- and some players' cap hits would actually go UP not down.

To me, it seems a bit unfair to go from a 57 percent to 50 percent capping system and yet count "aging" contracts from the old system as if they were signed under the new system. I think the league should account, for instance, for the fact that Briere's deal was signed way back in 2007 and has only $12 million of real dollar value left on it.

Under what I proposed, Briere's cap hit would be $4 million based on the $7 million he'd have been owed for 2012-13, $3 million for 2013-14, and $2 million for 2014-15. To count his cap hit at $6.5 million is to retroactively punish the Flyers for a deal signed under the previous system -- and LONG before a new CBA was imminent.

Cap hits are kind of a fake number anyway. The new cap will control variance to a much higher degree, but you can't go back and attack older back-diving deals.

- bmeltzer


I like it, but perhaps they could include some sort of variance limitation where it has to be at least x percentage from year y to z and if not add that difference to their salary for the year. Then take the average after everything has been adjusted. Although, this might open a whole other can of worms that would be deemed superfluous, especially when you have a limited time table.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 9:20 PM ET
London beats Plymouth 4 -2 giving London their 23rd straight victory

Now I think I'll watch Swift Current @ Medicine Hat
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 10:29 PM ET
Medicine Hat - 2
Swift Current - 0



2nd period now starting.
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 10:56 PM ET
Medicine Hat - 3
Swift Current - 0

End of the 2nd
ob18
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: That matters less than you hope it does
Joined: 07.20.2007

Dec 29 @ 11:51 PM ET
Medicine Hat - 4
Swift Current - 1

Final
watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Dude has all the personality of a lump of concrete. Just a complete lizard.
Joined: 06.26.2006

Dec 30 @ 4:18 PM ET
Philadelphia Eagles 7
New York Giants 42 - Final
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Dec 30 @ 5:48 PM ET
- well, well...amnesty/buyout is a possibility after all...

- despite homer's best efforts, our D is mediocre at best if the season starts mid-Jan. Mez will help, but this team has a crying need for a top pairing guy...

- even though the flyers have obvious holes, they may be better positioned going forward than any of the other major franchises in town.

- isaiah520


I disagree that the Flyers D is mediocre at best. I think there are some areas where they could have a weakness. Such as in puck movement, defensive scoring, and the point on the pp. They still have 5 solid NHL defenseman, along with some decent veteran depth. A lot is going to depend on how well Meszaros can play and how well he has healed.
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